Can Data outmatch a terminator??

[ArmorPierce]

Sorry to say that Data would be riped apart piece by piece.

[VF5SS]

TNG Season 5, Ep# 115: "Power Play"

(facing a forcefield)
TROI: Do you know how to deactivate this?
O'BRIEN: The computer will not allow us to override an emergency forcefield command...
DATA: My entity's artificial substructure may be useful...
(he opens a wall panel and sticks his hand in, shorting it out. The forcefield disappears)


And where does this happen?

[Omega-13]

Everyone thinks that if you punched him, your hand would go through him, not so at all, you'd break your fist, may aswell punch concrete.

Actually, IIRC, in T2 Arnie punches him and his hand sinks in. The T-1000 then "remolds" himself so that he is holding Armies hand. This is probably why people think your hand would sink in. This would only work if:
A) You had the strength of a T-800 series terminator or greater.
B) The T-1000 hasn't hardened himself like he does when he makes his arms blades.

Yes, but the T-1000 saw the punch coming well ahead, and might have infact let the terminators hand go in, considering that the headbutt did nothing, and he didn't see it coming. as for your B comment, I think we are on different pages, from the movie, he is as solid as a hard wood at normal operation times, such as walking, just normal, before he makes himself "HARD" like a knife or something

[Omega-13]

by witch time data's run down the corridor and onto the next five. Assuming of course the T-1000 is not destroyed; hey he's possibly nanobots isn't he? It would take him about twenty seconds to work it out, MINIMUM. Data's only chance is his familiarity with the enviroment.

Actually, lets not dive into the nanobot scene too fast, it was stated by the team that made T2 that the T-1000 is NOT nanobot, but each molecule of mimetic polyalloy is programmed, almost like those smart materials that are coming out now,

it just naturally reforms, no nanobots

[The Nomad]

In "Descent", Geordi mentions that Data has tremendous mobility. Must run fast IMHO.

[NecronLord]

by witch time data's run down the corridor and onto the next five. Assuming of course the T-1000 is not destroyed; hey he's possibly nanobots isn't he? It would take him about twenty seconds to work it out, MINIMUM. Data's only chance is his familiarity with the enviroment.

Actually, lets not dive into the nanobot scene too fast, it was stated by the team that made T2 that the T-1000 is NOT nanobot, but each molecule of mimetic polyalloy is programmed, almost like those smart materials that are coming out now,

it just naturally reforms, no nanobots

One I said possibly,
Two, your going down dorkstar lines now, what a development team said is not canon
three, that's impossible.

[Omega-13]

by witch time data's run down the corridor and onto the next five. Assuming of course the T-1000 is not destroyed; hey he's possibly nanobots isn't he? It would take him about twenty seconds to work it out, MINIMUM. Data's only chance is his familiarity with the enviroment.

Actually, lets not dive into the nanobot scene too fast, it was stated by the team that made T2 that the T-1000 is NOT nanobot, but each molecule of mimetic polyalloy is programmed, almost like those smart materials that are coming out now,

it just naturally reforms, no nanobots

One I said possibly,
Two, your going down dorkstar lines now, what a development team said is not canon
three, that's impossible.

"thats impossible" doesn't apply in science fiction, explain hyper matter, it seems impossible.
We already have smart materials, this is smarter

[Omega-13]

Alright, been looking all over the net, about the t-1000 and every site that has been put together says that they have found out that it wasn't nano tech, and that each molecule has been programmed, and it isn't nanobots

maybe someone could look around aswell,

but as far as it goes, its indicated that the molecules are programmed.
Maybe they got it out of a novel, who knows, i know its nothing hard facts, but lets look,

nothing at all about nano's though

[NecronLord]

However it is an unessecary multiplication of terms. May i also point out that while vaguely possible to program it to regenerate, that does not explain how it is programmed to humt people, or take on other shapes. It's demonstrated capabilities are far beyond anything that could be expected of such a material. Furthemore, were that the casem then molten metal would not destroy it. It is also a violation of conservation of energy, without an energy scource in there somewhere, the thing is a perpetual motion machine.

[NecronLord]

Very well, I shall explain hypermatter

to paraphrase lord wong rather hidiously,

It provides power output

that's it no one has ever tried to make it programmed molecule by molecule.

[Omega-13]

However it is an unessecary multiplication of terms. May i also point out that while vaguely possible to program it to regenerate, that does not explain how it is programmed to humt people, or take on other shapes. It's demonstrated capabilities are far beyond anything that could be expected of such a material. Furthemore, were that the casem then molten metal would not destroy it. It is also a violation of conservation of energy, without an energy scource in there somewhere, the thing is a perpetual motion machine.

I"m not far enough along in chemistry to tell you what happens when molton metal comes in contact with another molecule, i'll try and find out though. The molecules could be programmed themselves, this is the most amazing part of this technology, that the molecules are being programmed, and not cop out nanotech bots that appear in half of sci fi now a days. "its' demonstrated capabilities are far beyond anything that could be expected of such a material" much like hypermatter? Don't set expections for science fiction.

Its energy source is unknown, that I don't know, I won't guess either, but there is no evidence of nanotech machines. The nano tech machines would have been destroyed in the explosion in the first battle scene. Also
nanomachines were never hinted on or suggested, he is made out of "mimetic polyalloy" not nanomachines, its even stated what he's made up of

[Omega-13]

Very well, I shall explain hypermatter

to paraphrase lord wong rather hidiously,

It provides power output

that's it no one has ever tried to make it programmed molecule by molecule.

no, knowone has, read my post that i just put up,
don't have expectations, don't fall into the startrek/b5 trap of nanotech, nanotech is getting old, its even stated its made out of mimetic poly alloy

[NecronLord]

Go discover the meaning of the prefix poly

[Omega-13]

Go discover the meaning of the prefix poly

poly

- \Pol"y-\ [See Full, a.] A combining form or prefix from Gr. poly`s, many; as, polygon, a figure of many angles; polyatomic, having many atoms; polychord, polyconic.
Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.


yes and? its made up of a polyalloy, a mixture of different elements/molecules to form a new alloy

[NecronLord]

I'll state again, for the mentally impaired, The nano-bots thing did not come from me. That said you must still justify your statement of the T-1000 violating Conservation of energy.

[NecronLord]

Go discover the meaning of the prefix poly

poly

- \Pol"y-\ [See Full, a.] A combining form or prefix from Gr. poly`s, many; as, polygon, a figure of many angles; polyatomic, having many atoms; polychord, polyconic.
Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.


yes and? its made up of a polyalloy, a mixture of different elements/molecules to form a new alloy

It's a mixture, how then does this exclude nano-bots?

[NecronLord]

Very well, I shall explain hypermatter

to paraphrase lord wong rather hidiously,

It provides power output

that's it no one has ever tried to make it programmed molecule by molecule.

no, knowone has, read my post that i just put up,
don't have expectations, don't fall into the startrek/b5 trap of nanotech, nanotech is getting old, its even stated its made out of mimetic poly alloy

It's getting old?

tell you what, newtonian Physics is getting old, why don't you go jump from a high tower, the idea's been around a while, it won't work anymore.

[NecronLord]

by witch time data's run down the corridor and onto the next five. Assuming of course the T-1000 is not destroyed; hey he's possibly nanobots isn't he? It would take him about twenty seconds to work it out, MINIMUM. Data's only chance is his familiarity with the enviroment.

Actually, lets not dive into the nanobot scene too fast, it was stated by the team that made T2 that the T-1000 is NOT nanobot, but each molecule of mimetic polyalloy is programmed, almost like those smart materials that are coming out now,

it just naturally reforms, no nanobots

A smart material that can talk, run around, take on any shape of simpilar mass it likes and so on? Thats not smart, it's a genius material. Again I shall state the Possibly.

[Omega-13]

I can't answer all the questions that have to be answered to explain the t-1000, but nanomachines seem to be left field, with no evidence at all, especially considering he said "liquid metal"

[NecronLord]

He was paraphrsing for a ten year old, is it really going to try to explain how you make one. If it even has that information?

[HRogge]

Molecular circuits are nothing uncommon in science fiction, maybe the T-1000 is just a very advanced application of a similar technology.

[NecronLord]

Which doesn't explain how he can be frozen and shattered, and then re-form. or where it would get it's power from.

[Omega-13]

Which doesn't explain how he can be frozen and shattered, and then re-form. or where it would get it's power from.

If it were made up of nanomachines, my god, there would be absolutely no spaces between the little robots,

how do you explain the phrase liquid metal
how do you explain the phrase, mimetic poly alloy, in the same sentence, both pointing to a metal, not to mention, in the description of the t-1000, don't you think that would be an important point to say, instead of liquid metal? if it were nano machines?
doesn't make any sense,

[aerius]

Back to the original question, it's only a matter of time before Data gets ruined by the T-1000. Data's strength would be irrelevant, he can pound on the T-1000 all day and not damage it at all. The T-1000 can just absorb the blows and reform as needed. It could also make one of those spike things and put holes thru Data, weakening and eventually killing him. The only way for Data to win is to get a phaser and set it to wide beam disintegrate, or to use what's left on the ship against him. Transporters and blowing up plasma conduits comes to mind.

[Omega-13]

Back to the original question, it's only a matter of time before Data gets ruined by the T-1000. Data's strength would be irrelevant, he can pound on the T-1000 all day and not damage it at all. The T-1000 can just absorb the blows and reform as needed. It could also make one of those spike things and put holes thru Data, weakening and eventually killing him. The only way for Data to win is to get a phaser and set it to wide beam disintegrate, or to use what's left on the ship against him. Transporters and blowing up plasma conduits comes to mind.

the t-1000 doesn't HAVE to absorb the impact, thats just one of his tactics, as we saw in T2, he can take a headbutt no problem. Now the question is, ONCE the t-1000 smashes through the door, and both are temporarily confused, would data have the ability to get out of the lift, through the open door, and escape into the ship.