Why is the First Cause Argument Flawed?

[EvilGrey]

Sorry, EvilGrey, you made a blanket statement involving the word God. I proved you wrong, using no actual thought, only a dictionary. The mature and logical thing for you to do is admit defeat. Instead, you'll try to throw red herrings.

You never let me down with your incessant stupid ramblings.

[EvilGrey]

Then how, sir, do we have The Father. The Son, and the Holy Spirit? Surely they were all there in the beginning, and yet they are split. If, as you say, any cause cannot be split, but must be a series of causes, which one created the universe, in your opinion?

Lady, are you female?

What does that have to do with it? Yes, I am. Do you want to see my certificate of baptismal too?

I just wanted to verify. Typically only females ask such blatantly stupid questions about God.

[SirNitram]

Sorry, EvilGrey, you made a blanket statement involving the word God. I proved you wrong, using no actual thought, only a dictionary. The mature and logical thing for you to do is admit defeat. Instead, you'll try to throw red herrings.

You never let me down with your incessant stupid ramblings.

Behold! You do just as predicted!

Yet you have no refutation for being proven wrong on the meaning of the word God, then Demigod. You can only waffle and try and change the subject on both me and Tevar. Oh, you are an amusing little boy.

Go on. Give us your next attempt to move the topic away from the fact you've got no way to prove yourself right.

[EvilGrey]

Red herring. A temporal interval is not a physical thing. To show that it cannot be infinitely divisible, there needs to be an empirally-adequate scientific theory that contends that time is quantized. And guess what? You're out of luck. All of the currently empirically-adequate theories make the assumption treat time as not quantized.

Who said anything about time?

Foolish. Causes temporally precede their effects. That's the principle of causality. If time is no longer an issue, there would no be any possible problem of having an infinite regress of causes at all--after all, then there is nothing to prevent all of the causes from happening at precisely the same time.

Time is merely the perception of actualized causality in action. If time is "unmoving," it means there's no causality in action. In other words, the absence of time = the absence of causality.

[EvilGrey]

Sorry, EvilGrey, you made a blanket statement involving the word God. I proved you wrong, using no actual thought, only a dictionary. The mature and logical thing for you to do is admit defeat. Instead, you'll try to throw red herrings.

You never let me down with your incessant stupid ramblings.

Behold! You do just as predicted!

Yet you have no refutation for being proven wrong on the meaning of the word God, then Demigod. You can only waffle and try and change the subject on both me and Tevar. Oh, you are an amusing little boy.

Go on. Give us your next attempt to move the topic away from the fact you've got no way to prove yourself right.

OMG!! NOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SirNitram]

You never let me down with your incessant stupid ramblings.

Behold! You do just as predicted!

Yet you have no refutation for being proven wrong on the meaning of the word God, then Demigod. You can only waffle and try and change the subject on both me and Tevar. Oh, you are an amusing little boy.

Go on. Give us your next attempt to move the topic away from the fact you've got no way to prove yourself right.

OMG!! NOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I wonder, is this a childlike attempt to poke fun at me, or have I made the poor widdle fundie cry?

[Kuroneko]

Foolish. Causes temporally precede their effects. That's the principle of causality. If time is no longer an issue, there would no be any possible problem of having an infinite regress of causes at all--after all, then there is nothing to prevent all of the causes from happening at precisely the same time.

Time is merely the perception of actualized causality in action. If time is "unmoving," it means there's no causality in action. In other words, the absence of time = the absence of causality. :D

Again, you use time as synonymous with the actualization of causality. What, then, is the problem of me using the term 'time'? If they are synonymous, as here you contend, then your previous nitpick is nothing but avoidance of the issue.

[EvilGrey]

Behold! You do just as predicted!

Yet you have no refutation for being proven wrong on the meaning of the word God, then Demigod. You can only waffle and try and change the subject on both me and Tevar. Oh, you are an amusing little boy.

Go on. Give us your next attempt to move the topic away from the fact you've got no way to prove yourself right.

OMG!! NOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I wonder, is this a childlike attempt to poke fun at me, or have I made the poor widdle fundie cry?

I have given up on you and deemed you incapable of intellectual discourse.

[Darth Wong]

What does that have to do with it? Yes, I am. Do you want to see my certificate of baptismal too?

I just wanted to verify. Typically only females ask such blatantly stupid questions about God.

It appears we now have confirmation that EvilGrey is a pathetic lonely sock-fucker who can't get a date.

[SirNitram]

I have given up on you and deemed you incapable of intellectual discourse.

You're as predictable as Newtonian Physics. Keep telling yourself whatever lets you sleep at night, little one.

[SirNitram]

What does that have to do with it? Yes, I am. Do you want to see my certificate of baptismal too?

I just wanted to verify. Typically only females ask such blatantly stupid questions about God.

It appears we now have confirmation that EvilGrey is a pathetic lonely sock-fucker who can't get a date.

What's scarier is how LadyTevar's been typing for the past ten minutes, referencing her Bible. I wonder, if a Christian of the board flames hard, is it a Holy Smackdown, or an Imperial Inquisition?

[EvilGrey]

Foolish. Causes temporally precede their effects. That's the principle of causality. If time is no longer an issue, there would no be any possible problem of having an infinite regress of causes at all--after all, then there is nothing to prevent all of the causes from happening at precisely the same time.

Time is merely the perception of actualized causality in action. If time is "unmoving," it means there's no causality in action. In other words, the absence of time = the absence of causality.

Again, you use time as synonymous with the actualization of causality. What, then, is the problem of me using the term 'time'? If they are synonymous, as here you contend, then your previous nitpick is nothing but avoidance of the issue.

Everything happening at the same time? Look around. Does it seem like to you that everything is happening all at once? Such a notion is inconsistent with reality.

[EvilGrey]

What does that have to do with it? Yes, I am. Do you want to see my certificate of baptismal too?

I just wanted to verify. Typically only females ask such blatantly stupid questions about God.

It appears we now have confirmation that EvilGrey is a pathetic lonely sock-fucker who can't get a date.

Don't tell me you haven't experienced the exact same thing.

[LadyTevar]

Lady, are you female?

What does that have to do with it? Yes, I am. Do you want to see my certificate of baptismal too?

I just wanted to verify. Typically only females ask such blatantly stupid questions about God.

Oh, do we? Then I assume that none of your MALE friends have ever gone to the pastor asking the soft-hearted questions of "What happens to those people who haven't heard of Christ, like Pygmys?" "What happens to the Muslims who do good works in the name of Allah?"

I never got an answer from my pastor. I never found an answer until I read C.S.Lewis. Have you read him? Fine Christian writer. Some know him for "The Screwtape Letters", but most know his "Chornicles Of Narnia" series. Fine examples of how Chrisitan Theology can be taught to the masses.

Or sorry, maybe that's my FEMININE side coming through, since you believe I, like Eve, must have a defective knowledge of God and Faith. let me guess, you're from one of the sects that have your women in skirts who never cut their hair either, hmm?

Tell me, EvilGrey, do you recall the story of Esther? Of Ruth? Do you recall Deborah, the judge of Israel? Or do you read only about the MALE prophets?

You sir, are a pthetic man indeed if you believe that the Lord only speaks through men, and that He does not find a woman worthy.

[EvilGrey]

I have given up on you and deemed you incapable of intellectual discourse.

You're as predictable as Newtonian Physics. Keep telling yourself whatever lets you sleep at night, little one.

I wonder if Darth Wong will do what is right and do something about your constant flaming of me?

[SirNitram]

I have given up on you and deemed you incapable of intellectual discourse.

You're as predictable as Newtonian Physics. Keep telling yourself whatever lets you sleep at night, little one.

I wonder if Darth Wong will do what is right and do something about your constant flaming of me?

Read the top of the page, little one. 'Mockery Of Stupid People'. Ergo, you get flamed.

Sock-fucker!

[LadyTevar]

I just wanted to verify. Typically only females ask such blatantly stupid questions about God.

It appears we now have confirmation that EvilGrey is a pathetic lonely sock-fucker who can't get a date.

Don't tell me you haven't experienced the exact same thing.

Acutally, since Wong is married and Nitram engaged, I'd say they have fair more experience than you do, EG. Although I pity any woman that believes you are worth having.

[Kuroneko]

Time is merely the perception of actualized causality in action. If time is "unmoving," it means there's no causality in action. In other words, the absence of time = the absence of causality. :D

Again, you use time as synonymous with the actualization of causality. What, then, is the problem of me using the term 'time'? If they are synonymous, as here you contend, then your previous nitpick is nothing but avoidance of the issue.

Everything happening at the same time? Look around. Does it seem like to you that everything is happening all at once? Such a notion is inconsistent with reality. :D

It appears you do not comrehend the meaning of the word "if."

[EvilGrey]

Oh, do we? Then I assume that none of your MALE friends have ever gone to the pastor asking the soft-hearted questions of "What happens to those people who haven't heard of Christ, like Pygmys?" "What happens to the Muslims who do good works in the name of Allah?"

Questions regarding the Bible are not stupid. The question you posed is a stupid philosophical question.

Or sorry, maybe that's my FEMININE side coming through, since you believe I, like Eve, must have a defective knowledge of God and Faith. let me guess, you're from one of the sects that have your women in skirts who never cut their hair either, hmm?

I'd prefer they all die.

Tell me, EvilGrey, do you recall the story of Esther? Of Ruth? Do you recall Deborah, the judge of Israel? Or do you read only about the MALE prophets?

Lesbians cannot be prophets.

You sir, are a pthetic man indeed if you believe that the Lord only speaks through men, and that He does not find a woman worthy.

I don't remember saying that, but that's a good idea to adopt as factual.

[Darth Wong]

Don't tell me you haven't experienced the exact same thing.

When I was in the position of being without a date, I adopted the novel approach of solving the problem by going out and getting one, rather than insulting women on web boards. You have obviously chosen a different path, Mr. Sock Fucker.

[SirNitram]

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Tell me, EvilGrey, do you recall the story of Esther? Of Ruth? Do you recall Deborah, the judge of Israel? Or do you read only about the MALE prophets?

Lesbians cannot be prophets.

Now we understand. After meeting him, a woman was so disgusted by EG here that she turned into a rugmuncher. And now, unable to attract a mate because he is so stupid, he takes his anger out on females. So amusing.

[Ghost Rider]

Oh, do we? Then I assume that none of your MALE friends have ever gone to the pastor asking the soft-hearted questions of "What happens to those people who haven't heard of Christ, like Pygmys?" "What happens to the Muslims who do good works in the name of Allah?"

Questions regarding the Bible are not stupid. The question you posed is a stupid philosophical question.

Or sorry, maybe that's my FEMININE side coming through, since you believe I, like Eve, must have a defective knowledge of God and Faith. let me guess, you're from one of the sects that have your women in skirts who never cut their hair either, hmm?

I'd prefer they all die.

Tell me, EvilGrey, do you recall the story of Esther? Of Ruth? Do you recall Deborah, the judge of Israel? Or do you read only about the MALE prophets?

Lesbians cannot be prophets.

You sir, are a pthetic man indeed if you believe that the Lord only speaks through men, and that He does not find a woman worthy.

I don't remember saying that, but that's a good idea to adopt as factual.

Is this guy for real

I mean no one can really be this stupid...or am I going to have my thoughts that man can't get dumber then my cat going to be crushed again?

[EvilGrey]

Don't tell me you haven't experienced the exact same thing.

When I was in the position of being without a date, I adopted the novel approach of solving the problem by going out and getting one, rather than insulting women on web boards. You have obviously chosen a different path, Mr. Sock Fucker.

Now why would I be interested in someone with an open flesh wound between their legs?

[EvilGrey]

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Tell me, EvilGrey, do you recall the story of Esther? Of Ruth? Do you recall Deborah, the judge of Israel? Or do you read only about the MALE prophets?

Lesbians cannot be prophets.

Now we understand. After meeting him, a woman was so disgusted by EG here that she turned into a rugmuncher. And now, unable to attract a mate because he is so stupid, he takes his anger out on females. So amusing.

Rugmuncher?! That's a good one. I prefer carpet muncher though.

[Kuroneko]

I just wanted to verify. Typically only females ask such blatantly stupid questions about God. :D

Oh, do we? Then I assume that none of your MALE friends have ever gone to the pastor asking the soft-hearted questions of "What happens to those people who haven't heard of Christ, like Pygmys?" "What happens to the Muslims who do good works in the name of Allah?"

You've probably inadvertedly hit the nail on the head, Lady Tevar. Surely anyone who could be friends with such an unreasonable fellow would not be known for thinking thoughts deeper than "can nose-hairs get dandruff?"



With apologies to Jon.