[i]Slave One[/i] vs. Borg tactical cube

[seanrobertson]

Time and places: Wars, TESB, with the Millenium Falcon en route
to Bespin; Trek, 2376, a tactical cube investigates a spatial anomaly
in Grid 528.

The cube is suddenly thrown across space-time, stopping near
a large asteroid field (Anoat). The cube scans a large mass of
debris ahead, and detects two small craft with humanoid life signs
aboard. To gain their bearings such that contact with the Collective
could be re-established, it is decided that the two craft should be
assimilated.

Fett detects the ship approaching from behind, and engages his
hyperdrive to reach Bespin first. He reasons that Solo will shortly
do the same, only to arrive at Cloud City with Boba's blasters
trained on him as he disembarks the Falcon.

Han, however, is slow in detecting the cube due to damage taken
during the fight in the asteroid field. Before he knows what's going
on, the cube is right on top of him. He fires all weapons, nailing
the cube with 3 high-yield concussion missiles (say, 150 MT apiece).
The cube loses shields and suffers massive damage to its ventral axis,
but manages to hammer the MF with a spread of plasma torpedos
before locking on with a tractor beam. The Falcon is caught,
then slowly drawn inside the cube itself. Han does some damage
to the cube's innards with the ship's quad-lasers, but he, Chewie,
Leia, and the droids soon find themselves rematerializing in a large docking area, surrounded by cyborgs.

Chewie attacks the Borg, ripping off one's arm in short order, hurling
two into a chasm. Han blasts several drones with his sidearm,
as does Leia. R2 beams and blurps, and Threepio seeks cover,
shrieking, "Oh, oh, the humanity!"

The drones seem to develop a defensive shield against the blaster
fire, and en masse, they bring the three down and assimilate them.
The Borg Queen, activated onboard the ship when it arrived in this
galaxy, watches the events in her cargo bay unfold. She breathes
deeply as she feels the aliens' distinctiveness becoming one with her,
as their memories become hers. The Borg see a civilization so advanced
that world-shattering technologies can be built in a matter of months;
fleets upon fleets of powerful starships, many dwarfing their mightiest
cubes. She also senses something else...something extra-sensory,
in the one called Leia.

The droids are disassembled to study; Leia is dissected; Han, the Queen decides, will function as his liason to this galaxy as Locutus. The beast
is a creature the likes of which the Collective has rarely seen. Other
than mature Hirogen or fluidic space swimmer, no species seems to
have more innate usefulness than "Chewbacca's"...as a tactical drone.

The Borg analyze their probably of success in assimilating this
galaxy and determine that a beachhead of millions of ships would
be required to gain any foothold; therefore, it is imperitive that they
return to Borg space first and devise a feasible invasion plan, marshal
their forces, etc., etc.

So, the Borg are headed back to the periphery of the asteroid
field, with hopes that they could somehow return home. Boba Fett,
meanwhile, is getting nervous. He realizes that Solo should've
arrived by now. With the Imperials hiding throughout the City,
ready to spring a trap for Solo, Fett also realizes that, if Han doesn't
arrive, *he* might be to blame. He'd also lose his prize for Jabba.
That's unacceptable, so he disembarks to find the Falcon.

He finds that the Falcon's emission trail leads smack dab
into that hideous cubical monstrosity. His plan is to get Solo, if
nothing else.

How does Boba take it from here? Does he take the cube head-on,
blasting it with lots of missiles or seismic charges? Does he try a more
surreptitious approach, say, allowing his ship to be pulled inside the
cube, only to take it from there? He's got a fix on Solo (guarded by
Chewie of Borg), so finding him shouldn't be a problem.

Alternatively, if you were in the Queen's shoes, what would you do
to stop Fett?

[Robert Walper]

(drooling sounds)

I wanna see others feedback...because I think Slave 1 would simply be captured as well or destroyed. My bias is far too strong...LOL

[Darth Wong]

How does Boba take it from here? Does he take the cube head-on, blasting it with lots of missiles or seismic charges? Does he try a more surreptitious approach, say, allowing his ship to be pulled inside the cube, only to take it from there? He's got a fix on Solo (guarded by
Chewie of Borg), so finding him shouldn't be a problem.

Boba's not stupid enough to let himself get captured by an alien vessel of which he has no knowledge. And for that matter, the Borg are not intelligent enough to retreat and then come back in force (we all know that their first attack on the Empire would be the first ship plunging straight into their territory blathering that "resistance is futile" bullshit).

So let's assume that the cube sees Boba and immediate tries to attack and assimilate him. Boba's sense of self-preservation is strong, and he'll open up a can o' whoop-ass on the cube. We know how much firepower Slave-1 carries; a few seismic charges will blow the cube to pieces. He can then leisurely scan the remains for Solo, in the hopes of finding an intact body for bounty collection.

Alternatively, if you were in the Queen's shoes, what would you do
to stop Fett?

Honestly, the Borg have demonstrated repeatedly that they're too stupid to think of new tactics under any circumstances (see "Scorpion"; after FIVE MONTHS of consecutive losses, they hadn't changed their tactics one iota). They would fly straight toward him, blathering that "resistance is futile" shit and trying to hit him with their tractor/shield draining weapon. They would get hammered by a spread of missiles and/or seismic charges, and they would die. No surprises.

[NecronLord]

Boba is a licenced law enforcement officer of the empire, his contract here is to locate han solo for Lord Vader. He knows where it is, he would signal the excecutor & death squadron.

end of story

If I were the queen, going by han's knowlage, I would flee.

[Omega-13]

The borg might launch the falcon to help fight Slave-1, considering they know everything about it

[NecronLord]

No-one knows everything about it, including hand and Chewie, look how frequently it breaks down.

[Mr Bean]

The borg might launch the falcon to help fight Slave-1, considering they know everything about it

No they have second hand knowledge of the Falcon through Han and Chewy but remeber Borginfily means take a round 100 of IQ so its not like its going to do well

That and Fetts armor is so self contatined he can go for weeks without taking it off its got its own air-supply and recuilation system NTM its structal igenerity is off the scalle(Bascily Cars can run him over and he will be fine)

[Omega-13]

They know as much about it as Han and Chewie do,

[seanrobertson]

Boba's not stupid enough to let himself get captured by an alien vessel of which he has no knowledge. And for that matter, the Borg are not intelligent enough to retreat and then come back in force (we all know that their first attack on the Empire would be the first ship plunging straight into their territory blathering that "resistance is futile" bullshit).

Boba's goal, however, is to capture Solo--especially before Vader
finds out that their booby trap might be compromised.

The first ship probably would simply engage any forces it found
in the area, though I disagree in part about their approach.
Before they attacked the Federation, scout ships had assimilated
outposts along the Neutral Zone. Evidently they'd also done some
scouting about ten years earlier, when the Hansens ran across them
(though, IIRC, the Borg had only assimilated species like the Ktarians.
I don't know where they are in relation to any other group in the AQ).

That's assuming, of course, that the Borg had their druthers...but
a Borg invasion definitely isn't the point of the thread. I just
wanted to give a backstory as to why Fett would have to try and re-capture
Han

So let's assume that the cube sees Boba and immediate tries to attack and assimilate him. Boba's sense of self-preservation is strong, and he'll open up a can o' whoop-ass on the cube. We know how much firepower Slave-1 carries; a few seismic charges will blow the cube to pieces. He can then leisurely scan the remains for Solo, in the hopes of finding an intact body for bounty collection.

Precisely what I was looking for And that's a valid approach insofar
as finding an intact body, should the cube not be totally demolished:
plenty of drones survived inside derelict cubes in "Scorpion."

Honestly, the Borg have demonstrated repeatedly that they're too stupid to think of new tactics under any circumstances (see "Scorpion"; after FIVE MONTHS of consecutive losses, they hadn't changed their tactics one iota).
They would fly straight toward him, blathering that "resistance is futile" shit and trying to hit him with their tractor/shield draining weapon. They would get hammered by a spread of missiles and/or seismic charges, and they would die. No surprises.

Probably, yes. Do you think they *could* lock onto Slave or
destroy it? I know little of her shield strength; it just seems logical
to assume she has something comparable to what Falcon has;
e.g., deflectors capable of handling at least one direct LTL hit.

How many hits did the Falcon take while Needa chased her,
anyway? I know someone reputable--Adam Gerhls?--has done
an analysis of that scene.

[Mr Bean]

Still does not mean they know whos hunting them and witness delays in thought procceess between drones seeing old faces(Locutus) and going hey its the XXX?

Since Fett has sensors able to dect somthing as small as a four meter size engine cowling thats over eight light seconds away, finding the Cube would be a definite thing

Given that Fett would probably close and kill as soon as they plaid thier dumb message and hope Solo was not aboard

[Mr Bean]

Probably, yes. Do you think they *could* lock onto Slave or
destroy it? I know little of her shield strength; it just seems logical
to assume she has something comparable to what Falcon has;
e.g., deflectors capable of handling at least one direct LTL hit.

As far as shield Strength goes we know from the orgional ICS that Slave 1 has shields much stronger that the avarge vessel it size along with tons of illeagle weaponry and outlawed devices, If you want to use WEG numbers, Fett has an edge in power manvurability and sublight speed over Solo and has shields probably 1.5-2x stronger than Solos and more heavly armored to boot

He has rear facing concussion missle launcher thats specficly designed to be used when the craft is without power. It inculdes heavy cannons and ion cannons, numorous missiles inculding those seen in Epsoide 2 and frankly you have to wonder how Fett will know Solo's on the Cube

Consider the standered borg respones

We are the idiots feel free to shoot at us while we say this oh and we are definaitly hostile

Well I'm parahsing but you get the idea...

[NecronLord]

Boba's not stupid enough to let himself get captured by an alien vessel of which he has no knowledge. And for that matter, the Borg are not intelligent enough to retreat and then come back in force (we all know that their first attack on the Empire would be the first ship plunging straight into their territory blathering that "resistance is futile" bullshit).

Boba's goal, however, is to capture Solo--especially before Vader
finds out that their booby trap might be compromised.

The first ship probably would simply engage any forces it found
in the area, though I disagree in part about their approach.
Before they attacked the Federation, scout ships had assimilated
outposts along the Neutral Zone. Evidently they'd also done some
scouting about ten years earlier, when the Hansens ran across them
(though, IIRC, the Borg had only assimilated species like the Ktarians.
I don't know where they are in relation to any other group in the AQ).

The hansens were assimilated post q-who, as the feds knew about the borg when they left. Seven was grown in a 'maturation chamber'

[Gandalf]

I dont think the Borg would try an all out invasion, unless they thought they could do it with ease, from what has been seen, the Borg would find some small out of the way planet and build a small base assimilating what comes nearby, slowly they would spread, figure out a way to get reinforcemants from home etc. Then the invasion would come, hitting each system one at a time.

On the Tac. Cube vs. Slave 1 I say the Tac Cube, the average Cube kicks ass, no question, but they are all purpose vessels, imagine one designed purely to fight.

[Jim Raynor]

I dont think the Borg would try an all out invasion, unless they thought they could do it with ease, from what has been seen, the Borg would find some small out of the way planet and build a small base assimilating what comes nearby, slowly they would spread, figure out a way to get reinforcemants from home etc. Then the invasion would come, hitting each system one at a time.

On the Tac. Cube vs. Slave 1 I say the Tac Cube, the average Cube kicks ass, no question, but they are all purpose vessels, imagine one designed purely to fight.

What do you mean by "from what has been seen"? You mean BOBW? First Contact? In neither of these cases did they establish a small beach head and slowly expand outward. And just how do you think they would spread out from their initial world without catching the attention of the Imperial fleet and getting the BDZ treatment?

[Gandalf]

In First contact they did a similar thing aboard the Enterprise, since all of their tactics are largely uniform I figured they would do the same on a larger level.

[Jim Raynor]

In First contact they did a similar thing aboard the Enterprise, since all of their tactics are largely uniform I figured they would do the same on a larger level.

What the heck? Shipboard tactics is one thing, a strategy for invading an entire galaxy is quite another.

[Kahlis]

Just to be explicitly clear, it has been argued that Slave I would be easily capable of annihilating a Tac Cube?

Err..

[His Divine Shadow]

Just to be explicitly clear, it has been argued that Slave I would be easily capable of annihilating a Tac Cube?

Err..

Yes, truth hurts

What do you expect when it has a shitload of 11GT mines to lob at the cube?

[Lord of the Farce]

Just to be explicitly clear, it has been argued that Slave I would be easily capable of annihilating a Tac Cube?

Err..

Yes, truth hurts

What do you expect when it has a shitload of 11GT mines to lob at the cube?

If Jango lobs three of them just to shake off a fighter, can one imagine what would be done if something like a Borg Cube tried to attack it?

[NecronLord]

The Tac cube can only fire one weapon at a time. Thats how feeble it is.

[seanrobertson]

The Tac cube can only fire one weapon at a time. Thats how feeble it is.

? So can the Death Star, and she is a fair sight from weak Heh.

And I actually think the tactical cube we saw fired several beams
at once, at least in part two of "The Matri.."...err, I mean, "Unimatrix Zero."

[HemlockGrey]

Two words.


Seismac Charges.


They nearly destroyed the little Jedi starfighter. The Borg cube is a *much* bigger target.

[Master of Ossus]

The Tac cube can only fire one weapon at a time. Thats how feeble it is.

? So can the Death Star, and she is a fair sight from weak Heh.

And I actually think the tactical cube we saw fired several beams
at once, at least in part two of "The Matri.."...err, I mean, "Unimatrix Zero."

Incorrect. The DS can fire massive numbers of turbolasers simultaneously. The fact that it only has a single main weapon restricts its firing rate, however Borg cubes have many weapons, only a fraction of which can be engaging targets. This severely limits the number of targets that a cube can engage simultaneously. The DS has no such restriction, except when firing at targets requiring its superlaser to destroy.

[Captain Cyran]

No-one knows everything about it, including hand and Chewie, look how frequently it breaks down.

Don't think of how often it breaks-down....think about how often it DOESN'T break-down, then you get a good idea of how good Han and Chewie are with the Falcon.

[Mr Bean]

Or that classic quote from Luke

Don't worry about that right now, Han has this ship(The Falcon) so cross-wired it can fly and fight with half the systems out~Dark Force Rising