How to become a real-life Sith Lord

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-06-18 10:35am

We all know which real-life religions the Jedi Order's philosophy are based upon. (Largely Taoism and Zen Buddhism, with a bit of Christianity thrown in)

But what about the philosophy of the Sith?? From which real-life movements and religions did Lucas and the EU writers draw their inspiration for the Sith??

What I know is that the word "Sith" might be derived from Seth, which was the name of an Egyptian god associated with chaos, destruction, untamed nature and the desert. Some historians also see him as a "paraforce" to the more lawful and constructive gods of the Egyptian pantheon - hmm.... am I seeing a pattern??

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-06-18 11:29am

IMO it's just co-incidence.

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-06-18 11:33am

I think the real life inspiration for the Sith Lords comes from Lawyers,the most evil force in the world.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-06-18 11:38am

Montcalm wrote:I think the real life inspiration for the Sith Lords comes from Lawyers,the most evil force in the world.

you'd be right, except lawyers don't go around wielding brightly glowing laser swords.

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-06-18 11:43am

kojikun wrote:
Montcalm wrote:I think the real life inspiration for the Sith Lords comes from Lawyers,the most evil force in the world.
you'd be right, except lawyers don't go around wielding brightly glowing laser swords.

They don`t need laser sword when they can manipulate laws they`ve created.

Kuroneko · Post by **Kuroneko** » 2003-06-18 12:17pm

kojikun wrote:
Montcalm wrote:I think the real life inspiration for the Sith Lords comes from Lawyers,the most evil force in the world.
you'd be right, except lawyers don't go around wielding brightly glowing laser swords.

Neither do Zen-Buddhists, but the similarity is still there.

Darth Gojira · Post by **Darth Gojira** » 2003-06-18 12:29pm

Simon H.Johansen wrote:We all know which real-life religions the Jedi Order's philosophy are based upon. (Largely Taoism and Zen Buddhism, with a bit of Christianity thrown in)

But what about the philosophy of the Sith?? From which real-life movements and religions did Lucas and the EU writers draw their inspiration for the Sith??

What I know is that the word "Sith" might be derived from Seth, which was the name of an Egyptian god associated with chaos, destruction, untamed nature and the desert. Some historians also see him as a "paraforce" to the more lawful and constructive gods of the Egyptian pantheon - hmm.... am I seeing a pattern??

*envisions Seth and Horus having a lightsabre duel(generated from their an khs)*

jegs2 · Post by **jegs2** » 2003-06-18 12:32pm

Montcalm wrote:They don`t need laser sword when they can manipulate laws they`ve created.

Good point -- a sith lord would likely cower before an evil lawyer...

Evil Lawyer: "I shall smite thee henceforth with my great and terrible lawsui..."

Sith Lord: "Ghaaa, it is too much! I am bested! How shall I serve thee?"

Evil Lawyer lets out evil laughter that chills the bones of demons...

Kuroneko · Post by **Kuroneko** » 2003-06-18 12:37pm

jegs2 wrote:Good point -- a sith lord would likely cower before an evil lawyer...

I sense a redundant adjective through the Force!

Drooling Iguana · Post by **Drooling Iguana** » 2003-06-18 01:25pm

Actually, in the early drafts of the first movie, the Dark Side of the Force was known sometimes as the Bogan, and sometimes as the paraforce. Might not be as much of a conincidence as you think.

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2003-06-18 02:07pm

I thought it came from babhansith, being the supernatural ancient scottish vampire legends...

Drooling Iguana · Post by **Drooling Iguana** » 2003-06-18 02:26pm

Well, in the early drafts, the Jedi Knights were called the Jedi Bendu, the Sith Lords were called the Sith Knights, the Force was called the Force of Others, the Light Side was called the Ashla, and the Dark Side was called the Paraforce or Bogan. Do any of those terms have meaning to any of you?

Oh, and in a couple of drafts the plot revolved around an artifact called the Kimber crystal. Any significance there?

h0rus · Post by **h0rus** » 2003-06-18 03:06pm

Darth Gojira wrote:
Simon H.Johansen wrote:We all know which real-life religions the Jedi Order's philosophy are based upon. (Largely Taoism and Zen Buddhism, with a bit of Christianity thrown in)

But what about the philosophy of the Sith?? From which real-life movements and religions did Lucas and the EU writers draw their inspiration for the Sith??

What I know is that the word "Sith" might be derived from Seth, which was the name of an Egyptian god associated with chaos, destruction, untamed nature and the desert. Some historians also see him as a "paraforce" to the more lawful and constructive gods of the Egyptian pantheon - hmm.... am I seeing a pattern??
*envisions Seth and Horus having a lightsabre duel(generated from their an khs)*

I'd kick his ass.

SeebianWurm · Post by **SeebianWurm** » 2003-06-18 05:46pm

Note that Palpatine - the strongest Sith - is also a politician. The parallels are astounding.

Exonerate · Post by **Exonerate** » 2003-06-18 08:06pm

SeebianWurm wrote:Note that Palpatine - the strongest Sith - is also a politician. The parallels are astounding.

Not to mention Dooku has a British accent...

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-06-18 08:14pm

Exonerate wrote:
SeebianWurm wrote:Note that Palpatine - the strongest Sith - is also a politician. The parallels are astounding.
Not to mention Dooku has a British accent...

They almost all speak with an British accent,the rare exception is Darth Shaft.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-06-18 08:14pm

SeebianWurm wrote:Note that Palpatine - the strongest Sith - is also a politician. The parallels are astounding.

Dooku also seems to be a politician.

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-06-18 09:17pm

Montcalm wrote:
kojikun wrote:
Montcalm wrote:I think the real life inspiration for the Sith Lords comes from Lawyers,the most evil force in the world.
you'd be right, except lawyers don't go around wielding brightly glowing laser swords.
They don`t need laser sword when they can manipulate laws they`ve created.

So red tape doesn't count?

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2003-06-18 09:24pm

You people are eerily correct...

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-06-20 01:57am

Darth Gojira wrote:
Simon H.Johansen wrote:We all know which real-life religions the Jedi Order's philosophy are based upon. (Largely Taoism and Zen Buddhism, with a bit of Christianity thrown in)

But what about the philosophy of the Sith?? From which real-life movements and religions did Lucas and the EU writers draw their inspiration for the Sith??

What I know is that the word "Sith" might be derived from Seth, which was the name of an Egyptian god associated with chaos, destruction, untamed nature and the desert. Some historians also see him as a "paraforce" to the more lawful and constructive gods of the Egyptian pantheon - hmm.... am I seeing a pattern??
*envisions Seth and Horus having a lightsabre duel(generated from their an khs)*

Seth: "HORUS, I AM YOUR UNCLE!"
Horus: "I know!...."

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2003-06-20 03:06am

The Sith seems a bit inspired by Indian Thugee cults.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-06-20 05:55am

CaptainChewbacca wrote:The Sith seems a bit inspired by Indian Thugee cults.

What are the similarities?? I don't know much about the Thugee cults, but IIRC they were a religious sect of highwaymen who strangled their victims in the name of Kali, the goddess of death.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-06-20 07:22am

Drooling Iguana wrote:Well, in the early drafts, the Jedi Knights were called the Jedi Bendu, the Sith Lords were called the Sith Knights, the Force was called the Force of Others, the Light Side was called the Ashla, and the Dark Side was called the Paraforce or Bogan. Do any of those terms have meaning to any of you?

Well, the first 4 letters of "Bendu" part might refer to Saint BENeDictUs. And "Ashla" is a direct reference to Aslan from Chronicles Of Narnia.

However, I don't know what Bogan means... however, if you swap the wovels and switch the B for a D, you get the name of a Philistine deity whose clerics opposed the ancient Hebrews. (and later was identified with some really scary stuff by a certain H.P. Lovecraft)

Still, that Bogan=Dagon thing is probably coincidence.

Darth Gojira · Post by **Darth Gojira** » 2003-06-20 07:30am

Simon H.Johansen wrote:
Darth Gojira wrote:
Simon H.Johansen wrote:We all know which real-life religions the Jedi Order's philosophy are based upon. (Largely Taoism and Zen Buddhism, with a bit of Christianity thrown in)

But what about the philosophy of the Sith?? From which real-life movements and religions did Lucas and the EU writers draw their inspiration for the Sith??

What I know is that the word "Sith" might be derived from Seth, which was the name of an Egyptian god associated with chaos, destruction, untamed nature and the desert. Some historians also see him as a "paraforce" to the more lawful and constructive gods of the Egyptian pantheon - hmm.... am I seeing a pattern??
*envisions Seth and Horus having a lightsabre duel(generated from their an khs)*
Seth: "HORUS, I AM YOUR UNCLE!"
Horus: "I know!...."

ROTFLMAO!

SyntaxVorlon · Post by **SyntaxVorlon** » 2003-06-20 10:13am

Simon H.Johansen wrote:
Drooling Iguana wrote:Well, in the early drafts, the Jedi Knights were called the Jedi Bendu, the Sith Lords were called the Sith Knights, the Force was called the Force of Others, the Light Side was called the Ashla, and the Dark Side was called the Paraforce or Bogan. Do any of those terms have meaning to any of you?
Well, the first 4 letters of "Bendu" part might refer to Saint BENeDictUs. And "Ashla" is a direct reference to Aslan from Chronicles Of Narnia.

However, I don't know what Bogan means... however, if you swap the wovels and switch the B for a D, you get the name of a Philistine deity whose clerics opposed the ancient Hebrews. (and later was identified with some really scary stuff by a certain H.P. Lovecraft)

Still, that Bogan=Dagon thing is probably coincidence.

Dagon was a real mythological figure, but it was the god of the field and I guess the harvest for the Babylonians, I don't know if they were related to the philistines, but I don't think Bogan was used by Lovecraft.

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