How do you make Nitrate Powder?

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2003-06-18 01:33pm

How would one make Nitrate powder from every day materials?

Kuroneko · Post by **Kuroneko** » 2003-06-18 01:41pm

Which nitrate? Or do you mean a free radical?

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2003-06-18 01:42pm

Kuroneko wrote:Which nitrate? Or do you mean a free radical?

::Is utterly Confuzzled::

Uh, one that can burn and make smoke.

Ted C · Post by **Ted C** » 2003-06-18 01:43pm

Straha wrote:How would one make Nitrate powder from every day materials?

"Nitrate" is an ion, IIRC; you'd actually have to make a compound like "potassium nitrate".

You'd have to start with some kind of fixed-nitrogen compound, I suppose; something like ammonia. You'd quantities of potassium and oxygen in controlled reactions to get potassium nitrate. I've never tried to make the stuff, and it's been years since I actually took a chemistry class, so I can't get any more specific than that.

Zoink · Post by **Zoink** » 2003-06-18 01:45pm

It might be in my terrorist handbook, I wouldn't publish a recipe for combustible/explosives here.

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2003-06-18 02:05pm

[MTM]Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-Shattering KABOOM![/MTM]

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-06-18 02:45pm

I believe potassium nitrate is KNO3. You can buy it at hobby stores and stuff. Making it is dangerous.

If you (CAREFULLY) mix KNO3 with Sugar you can make solid rocket engines

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-06-18 02:50pm

You can't make "nitrate" any more than you can make "oxide". You need to specify what nitrate or what oxide you want to make.

Kuroneko · Post by **Kuroneko** » 2003-06-18 03:05pm

Straha wrote:
Kuroneko wrote:Which nitrate? Or do you mean a free radical?
:?: ::Is utterly Confuzzled::

Uh, one that can burn and make smoke.

That's pretty much all of them, to varying degrees. Ammonium, barium, calcium, potassium, sodium, ... . Ammonium nitrate, which you can get from fertilizer, is particularly common for explosives in the various AN/FO mixes (e.g. diesel).

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-06-18 03:08pm

kojikun wrote:I believe potassium nitrate is KNO3. You can buy it at hobby stores and stuff. Making it is dangerous.

If you (CAREFULLY) mix KNO3 with Sugar you can make solid rocket engines

Really shitty ones

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2003-06-18 03:09pm

kojikun wrote:I believe potassium nitrate is KNO3. You can buy it at hobby stores and stuff. Making it is dangerous.

If you (CAREFULLY) mix KNO3 with Sugar you can make solid rocket engines

Actually what I'm doing is mixing it with Sugar and Sulphur to create a smoke bomb, but I can't figure out how to get the nitrate.

Kuroneko · Post by **Kuroneko** » 2003-06-18 03:12pm

Slartibartfast wrote:You can't make "nitrate" any more than you can make "oxide". You need to specify what nitrate or what oxide you want to make.

Hypothetically speaking, he could have been asking for nitrate in its free radical form--i.e., the anion NO3. That was not the case; neverheless, "nitrate" has a freestanding meaning in chemistry, unlike "oxide."

Kuroneko · Post by **Kuroneko** » 2003-06-18 03:25pm

Straha wrote:Actually what I'm doing is mixing it with Sugar and Sulphur to create a smoke bomb, but I can't figure out how to get the nitrate.

You can't really manufacture potassium nitrate using only household materials. Well, at least with any process that does not involve urine or feces. Trust me, you do not want to go there for a material so commonly available practically everywhere. Just take kojikun's advice and ask for potassium nitrate (KNO3). It's also known as niter and saltpetre. Just make sure it's not Chile, lime, Norwegian, or anything else. Just "plain" saltpetre.

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2003-06-18 03:32pm

Kuroneko wrote:
Straha wrote:Actually what I'm doing is mixing it with Sugar and Sulphur to create a smoke bomb, but I can't figure out how to get the nitrate.
You can't really manufacture potassium nitrate using only household materials. Well, at least with any process that does not involve urine or feces. Trust me, you do not want to go there for a material so commonly available practically everywhere. Just take kojikun's advice and ask for potassium nitrate (KNO3). It's also known as niter and saltpetre. Just make sure it's not Chile, lime, Norwegian, or anything else. Just "plain" saltpetre.

Out of curiosity, how would one make it out of Feces?

Kuroneko · Post by **Kuroneko** » 2003-06-18 05:08pm

Straha wrote:Out of curiosity, how would one make it out of Feces?

Actually, I am not certain of the exact process. Feces that are warm enough and sit there long enough develop a whitish coating that contains potassium nitrate. Water is necessary as well, I believe.

Must be some microbial process.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2003-06-18 08:03pm

This fall, my new appartment number is C4

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2003-06-18 08:10pm

Kuroneko wrote:
Straha wrote:Out of curiosity, how would one make it out of Feces?
Actually, I am not certain of the exact process. Feces that are warm enough and sit there long enough develop a whitish coating that contains potassium nitrate. Water is necessary as well, I believe.

Must be some microbial process.

As I recall, in the middle ages, with the advent of gunpowder, bat guano suddenly became a highly valued commodity. If any officials noticed a house with lots of bat guano, they would basically send people in to clean it out...

Raxmei · Post by **Raxmei** » 2003-06-19 12:37am

Take Kojikun's advice. Making potassium nitrate from scratch is not worth the effort. In detail,

You will need:
3-4 gallons nitrate-bearing earth (usually contains rotted material and/or waste)
1/2 cup fine wood ashes

5 gallon bucket
2pieces fine cloth, bigger than bottom of bucket
1 shallow pan or dish, bigger than bottom of bucket
1 shallow heat-resistant container (a skillet, for example)
1 gallon water
1 hole-producing implement
1 gallon alcohol
heat
paper filter
strainer

Directions:
1Perforate bottom of bucket using hole-maker. Spread 1 peice of cloth over the holes.

2.Spread ashes over the cloth. Lay second cloth over the ashes

3.Put dirt in bucket

4.Put bucket over shallow dish

5.Pour boiling water over bucket a little bit at a time. It will flow through the dirt and out the holes. Let it cool down before proceding.

6.Drain the water into the heat-resistant container. Throw out any sludge that may have collected.

7. Boil the mixture for ~2hours. Scoop out any salt grains that form with a strainer.

8.Let the water boil down to 1/2 original volume. Let it cool. Then add an equal volume of alcohol. Pour the mixture through paper. A small amount of little white crystals will filter out.

Congratulations, you now have a small amount of questionably pure saltpeter. You can purify it a bit more by adding water and repeating steps 7-8. Let dry before using.

SeebianWurm · Post by **SeebianWurm** » 2003-06-19 12:39am

Didn't Fight Club talk about this or something similar?

Hmm. I think I deserve a re-watch.

Raxmei · Post by **Raxmei** » 2003-06-19 12:42am

SeebianWurm wrote:Didn't Fight Club talk about this or something similar?

Hmm. I think I deserve a re-watch.

Fight club was nitroglycerine.

SeebianWurm · Post by **SeebianWurm** » 2003-06-19 12:52am

Ah. I'm still going to rewatch it.

NapoleonGH · Post by **NapoleonGH** » 2003-06-19 07:43pm

Nitroglycerine is just glycerine mixed with nitric acid if i recall correctly, not that difficult. Problem is not blowing self up.

Nitrate, I know of a different use for nitrate compounds than explosives. Ohh oops I was thinking Nitrite compounds.

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2003-06-19 11:55pm

NapoleonGH wrote:Nitroglycerine is just glycerine mixed with nitric acid if i recall correctly, not that difficult. Problem is not blowing self up.

As I recall, the proportions have to be exact and the ingredients must be mixed in precisely controlled conditions...

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-06-20 01:53pm

CaptainChewbacca wrote:This fall, my new appartment number is C4

Ugh, you'll be disturbing your neighbors all year round with the endless
mantrains you'll be running with Stork Fucker and your TK pals

EmperorChrostas the Cruel · Post by **EmperorChrostas the Cruel** » 2003-06-20 03:45pm

Nitroglycerine is made by ROMOTE CONTROLE. In BUNKERS.In carefuly controled proportions.With the temperature and humidity strictly controled. Let's not for get static electric sparks, the bane of ALL munition manufacture. (Google search Nevada fireworks factory explosion)
Just pouring nitric acid and glycerine together will get you on the 5:00 news.

If you are looking for ordinance, buy it premade. You might get to keep your eyes/fingers/life.
If you MUST make smoke bombs, buy model rocket motors, and "mine" them for the burning stuff. Then mix with charcoal and a pinch of sulfer.The right mix will smoke a lot, and stink.
NEVER use a smoke bomb indoors no matter how funny you think it will be. The smoke is TOXIC! (ALL smoke is toxic, to a degree.) It is not in the war gas catagory, but headaches and resperatory problems are a given.

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