Why do people think the Andromeda is so powerful?

[Crossover_Maniac]

Agreed. Each has it's strong points. I think the GE's best opening tactics would be using a Galaxy Gun barrage to knock out Tarn Vedra, Fountainhead, and a few other key worlds.

Of course, the CW can then use their supply of nova bombs which is 40 per GHC ("An Affirming Flame") and plenty in military depots ("To Loose the Faithful Lightening") to take out millions of star systems like Corosaunt and Corellia. If they CW wanted to, they could even destroy the Maw cluster ("An Affirming Flame").

[NecronLord]

Do you know how many balck holes are in the maw? NO

[ClaysGhost]

Honestly though, it is neutronium, I asked Saxton and for the permission to post his quote, so here:

Therefore I told him, with a wink, that the neutronium was mentioned to annoy the Trekkies, because they have so many ridiculous episodes with solid neutronium structures that by rights should gravitationally mash bystanders into a thin layer of paste on the walls.

Why is its use in SW any less ridiculous than that in ST? I used to sigh whenever this stuff appeared in ST, and I did the same when it was first posted in this thread. From this it would appear that the mention of neutronium was designed to vex trekkies. I'm not a trekkie, but it's still vexed me.

Neutronium is a fantastic conductor, so I invoked it in an (as yet unspecified) composite with whatever other conventional or exotic forms of matter constitute naval armour plating in SW.

Neutronium is a nonsense as armour. Electrically conductive? No electron will pay this stuff any attention. Thermally conductive? It'll conduct heat, definitely, for as long as it lasts before decaying into lighter nuclei.

Oh yes ClaysGhost, do note the inclusion of possible exotic materials also in the armor plating so this might not be as simple as just neutronium impregnated metal(not that there is anything simple about that)

Yes, I understand that any decent armour will not be a single this-or-that. However, I still don't see what neutronium offers to an armour composite, or how it's supposed to stay in the composite for any length of time without either dropping out or causing a nasty fission reaction.

[NecronLord]

ick.

NBF>Gravity

[Renewed_Valour1]

The problem with either side using strategic weaponry is that neither side can win a fight. For that matter neither the Commonwealth nor the Empire can win any war between the two of them. Even with the Empire's sheer size and amount of forces they don't have enough ships to defend their systems against slip capable fighters or capital ships. The Commonwealth has more than enough nova bombs to render a good part of the Empire's solar systems into expanding clouds of dust. You might expect some of the more minor systems or rebellious to be left intact.

In the same stroke the Empire though their strategic weaponry is lesser in numbers and effective range. Anything they have except the Galaxy Gun would take month or years to hit every corner of the Commonwealth. The Galaxy Gun is of questionable use since no one knows if it can fire several galaxies away or fire through a wormhole. Thus the Commonwealth has a lot of time to prepare their systems. Depending on the time the Vedrans have the Empire might arrive to strike many of the systems and find that they are gone.

Do you know how many balck holes are in the maw? NO

How many? And you have any idea how many nova bombs the Commonwealth and how easy it is for them to apparently make more.

Even Harper with limited resources to make a weapon that in power is a nova bomb cubed. If you take Kevin Sorbo's interview comments on the bomb they are a "galaxy killer" rather than a system killer. I'd rather wait to see the actual damage the bomb caused on the alien side of the wormhole in the season premier. However the idea that the Commonwealth might be able to build a galaxy killing bomb is intriguing. Who will screw with someone who had strategic weaponry that can squish your galaxy?

[NecronLord]

irrelevant, the black hole reverted to it's original state shortly after.

[NecronLord]

The problem with either side using strategic weaponry is that neither side can win a fight. For that matter neither the Commonwealth nor the Empire can win any war between the two of them. Even with the Empire's sheer size and amount of forces they don't have enough ships to defend their systems against slip capable fighters or capital ships. The Commonwealth has more than enough nova bombs to render a good part of the Empire's solar systems into expanding clouds of dust. You might expect some of the more minor systems or rebellious to be left intact.

In the same stroke the Empire though their strategic weaponry is lesser in numbers and effective range. Anything they have except the Galaxy Gun would take month or years to hit every corner of the Commonwealth. The Galaxy Gun is of questionable use since no one knows if it can fire several galaxies away or fire through a wormhole. Thus the Commonwealth has a lot of time to prepare their systems. Depending on the time the Vedrans have the Empire might arrive to strike many of the systems and find that they are gone.

Do you know how many balck holes are in the maw? NO

How many? And you have any idea how many nova bombs the Commonwealth and how easy it is for them to apparently make more.

Even Harper with limited resources to make a weapon that in power is a nova bomb cubed. If you take Kevin Sorbo's interview comments on the bomb they are a "galaxy killer" rather than a system killer. I'd rather wait to see the actual damage the bomb caused on the alien side of the wormhole in the season premier. However the idea that the Commonwealth might be able to build a galaxy killing bomb is intriguing. Who will screw with someone who had strategic weaponry that can squish your galaxy?

The Galaxy gun can't fire though a wormhole? how'd you work that out?

The Xeelee,
The Necrontyr
The Q Continuum
The Culture
The Homoda
The Excession Builders
The Monolith Builders
I could go on for some time

Hell even Jerec from Jedi knight was almost at that level of power.

[NecronLord]

In addition, it shuld be noted that the necrontyr had galaxy killing weapons when dinosaurs ruled the earth, and they used them for entertainment

[septesix]

The Galaxy gun can't fire though a wormhole? how'd you work that out?

Well, how did you work out that it can? Beside, I stilld don't see how Empire can reach the other galaxies that CW has to make the GG effective.

The Xeelee,
The Necrontyr
The Q Continuum
The Culture
The Homoda
The Excession Builders
The Monolith Builders
I could go on for some time

Hell even Jerec from Jedi knight was almost at that level of power.

What's the point of listing those Civilization? I assume its to make Andromeda looks puny? Come on, just about everything looks puny when compare to those.

[Renewed_Valour1]

The Galaxy gun can't fire though a wormhole? how'd you work that out?

Prove it can. The GG projectile is in hyperspace and the wormhole is in normal space. Or better yet prove the GG missile has enough fuel to travel through more than one galaxy.

The Xeelee,
The Necrontyr
The Q Continuum
The Culture
The Homoda
The Excession Builders
The Monolith Builders
I could go on for some time

Yes and none of them are the Empire. For that matter with the sole exception of the Q none of them are even from a series or movie.

[NecronLord]

ok the TimeLords or Daleks from Dr.Who would be able to do it no problem

[NecronLord]

Jerec is from the SW extended universe. he has an entry in the updated guide to characters.

Need I remind you that this is not a CW vs Empire thread it is a "why is the CW so powerful," how many species capable of tearing the CW a new one do I need to name?

[NecronLord]

The Galaxy gun can't fire though a wormhole? how'd you work that out?

Prove it can. The GG projectile is in hyperspace and the wormhole is in normal space. Or better yet prove the GG missile has enough fuel to travel through more than one galaxy.

The Xeelee,
The Necrontyr
The Q Continuum
The Culture
The Homoda
The Excession Builders
The Monolith Builders
I could go on for some time

Yes and none of them are the Empire. For that matter with the sole exception of the Q none of them are even from a series or movie.

oh and by the way, the monolith builders are from 2001, which has a film version.

[omegaLancer]

Found a similar article to the original on the bounding of 4 neutrons. this is from AIP:

HELIUM-6 NUCLEI SHARE DI-NEUTRONS. Helium-6 nuclei, formed into beams for the first time only last year, are thought to be "Borromean" structures (so named for the heraldic symbol of the Princes of Borromeo, and consisting of three interlinking rings which fall apart if any one ring is removed). The He-6 nucleus, theorists believe, is really a He-4 core surrounded by two extra, loosely bound neutrons which can reside in one of two configurations: (1) one neutron on either side of the He-4 core or (2) both neutrons close together (comprising a "di-neutron") far from the He-4 core. To test this theory and to demonstrate the existence of di-neutrons, Yuri Oganessian and his colleagues at the Joint Institute of Nuclear Research (JINR) near Moscow (oganessian@flnr.jinr.ru, 011-7- 09621-62151) collided a He-6 beam with a He-4 target and observed that some of the He-4 nuclei had been converted into He-6, proving that in some of the high-energy collisions di-neutrons had jumped from one nucleus to the other. This also holds true when He-6 beams hit hydrogen targets (the target nucleus being a single proton). In this case a di-neutron joined the proton to form a tritium nucleus. These results seem to favor the picture in which di-neutrons are the rule rather than the exception in He-6 nuclei. Now the JINR scientists are using He-8 beams to study in more detail how neutrons correlate with each other within nuclei and to search for signs of "tetra-neutron" states. (Oganessian, Zagrebaev, and Vaagen, Physical Review Letters, 21 June 1999; figures at www.aip.org/physnews/graphics)

[omegaLancer]

Here is the article on stable 4 neutron article.. it deals witha ring of 4 neutrons that are created when He9 is product ..


HELIUM-9 GROUND STATE OBSERVED. Making superheavy new elements is difficult since just any old number of neutrons and protons will not necessarily result in a stable nuclear architecture. The same is true for producing exotic forms of light nuclei. The main form of helium consists of two neutrons and two protons. But heavier, more tenuous, versions can be built amid collisions at particle accelerators. An extreme example is He-8, thought to consist of a He-4 core surrounded by a halo of four additional neutrons. Nature seldom gives one the chance to examine neutronic matter separate from protons, so the study of "halo nuclei" has become one of the hot areas of nuclear physics. Now in an experiment at the National Superconducting Cyclotron Lab (NSCL) at Michigan State University, physicists have glimpsed the ground state of an even rarer isotope for the first time. By shooting a beam of Be-11 nuclei into a target of Be-9 atoms, the researchers deduce that a He-8 nucleus moving through the lab with a co-moving neutron can confederate weakly and briefly (only for 10^-20 seconds) to form a He-9 nucleus. In this case one can think of the last neutron as constituting a second halo outside an inner 4-neutron halo. (Chen et al. Physics Letters B, in press; contact Gregers Hansen, hansen@ncsl.msu.edu; 517-333-6433 or Michael Thoennessen, 517-333-6323).

[ClaysGhost]

I don't think any of those results change neutronium into a useful or practicable armour system. Do you think they do?

[SirNitram]

I don't think any of those results change neutronium into a useful or practicable armour system. Do you think they do?

Given the periodic table, I can work out that a peice of neutronium consisting of 298 neutrons should be stable as well as have a boiling point of 150 degrees C. I'd have to actually stick that many neutrons together to test it, but the periodic table is pretty good for predicting things.

As for how this makes something good armour, look at the boiling point again. Consider this will most likely go up, fairly rapidly, if you stay in the right number of neutrons for the lead family. Thus, neutronium of these stable configurations will have immense thermal capacity... Rendering it perfect for armour against thermal weapons.

So in answer, yes, I think it makes neutronium a good armour system. The Empire/Old Republic has stabalized spheres of it large enough to be impregnated into an armour belt, and then absorb fusion missile strikes. Will this change your view? Of course not. I can't expect actual logic to penetrate your skull.

[ClaysGhost]

Given the periodic table, I can work out that a peice of neutronium consisting of 298 neutrons should be stable as well as have a boiling point of 150 degrees C. I'd have to actually stick that many neutrons together to test it, but the periodic table is pretty good for predicting things.

The periodic table is pretty good for predicting atomic properties. Unfortunate then, that neutronium is not atomic. There are no protons, there are no electrons, there are no atoms. Your lump of 298 neutrons, if it could even exist without support, is practically useless, as you have a nucleus with no electrons and so no chemistry (and so no inclination to combine with its peers and form bonds). I wonder why you think that deuterium is, while rare, not unknown, whereas nobody has yet produced a stable di-neutron (what hope for your 298?).

The only way to get stable neutron-pure materials is for them to be created with a strong energy barrier to beta decay. This is exactly what the gravitationally-induced pressure in a neutron star provides), which is why those articles refer to neutron-enriched variants of helium rather than completely aprotonic matter, and even then the sorry mess only lasts briefly.

As for how this makes something good armour, look at the boiling point again. Consider this will most likely go up, fairly rapidly, if you stay in the right number of neutrons for the lead family. Thus, neutronium of these stable configurations will have immense thermal capacity... Rendering it perfect for armour against thermal weapons.

This is all only correct if the periodic table is a good predictor of neutronium properties. If you know that neutronium obeys the same equation of state as atomic solids, then you know something that has apparently eluded the research community and you should publish immediately.

So in answer, yes, I think it makes neutronium a good armour system. The Empire/Old Republic has stabalized spheres of it large enough to be impregnated into an armour belt, and then absorb fusion missile strikes. Will this change your view? Of course not. I can't expect actual logic to penetrate your skull.

Yes, and the Empire has specially trained assault rodents that can leap 500 feet in the air and eat uranium for breakfast. I read it in some science-fiction book, so it must be true in reality, too. I'm eager to hear how you can produce a mixture from something which isn't going to pay any attention to other materials, chemically speaking, arguments about neutronium's stability and properties aside.

As far as I can tell, your 'logic' lies in expecting exotic forms of matter to behave in the same way as atomic matter. I doubt that it will, and I have yet to see any compelling arguments from you as to why it will.

[SirNitram]

Given the periodic table, I can work out that a peice of neutronium consisting of 298 neutrons should be stable as well as have a boiling point of 150 degrees C. I'd have to actually stick that many neutrons together to test it, but the periodic table is pretty good for predicting things.

The periodic table is pretty good for predicting atomic properties. Unfortunate then, that neutronium is not atomic. There are no protons, there are no electrons, there are no atoms. Your lump of 298 neutrons, if it could even exist without support, is practically useless, as you have a nucleus with no electrons and so no chemistry (and so no inclination to combine with its peers and form bonds). I wonder why you think that deuterium is, while rare, not unknown, whereas nobody has yet produced a stable di-neutron (what hope for your 298?).

Mmm. Maybe you should look at the periodic table. Atomic Weight of 2 is an unstable isotop of Hydrogen. There has, however, been stable quad-neutron... The same atomic weight as Helium. The stability of an element is linked to a specific pattern in atomic weight. Unless you've disproven the pattern, which I would be amused to see.

The only way to get stable neutron-pure materials is for them to be created with a strong energy barrier to beta decay. This is exactly what the gravitationally-induced pressure in a neutron star provides), which is why those articles refer to neutron-enriched variants of helium rather than completely aprotonic matter, and even then the sorry mess only lasts briefly.

Cite your source, please. I at least provided the periodic table and it's patterns.. What proof do you have that neutrons always break down so quickly?

As for how this makes something good armour, look at the boiling point again. Consider this will most likely go up, fairly rapidly, if you stay in the right number of neutrons for the lead family. Thus, neutronium of these stable configurations will have immense thermal capacity... Rendering it perfect for armour against thermal weapons.

This is all only correct if the periodic table is a good predictor of neutronium properties. If you know that neutronium obeys the same equation of state as atomic solids, then you know something that has apparently eluded the research community and you should publish immediately.

Given that the only stable multi-neutron peice I've ever heard of was four neutrons(Giving it the same weight as Helium, and conforming to this theory), perhaps the scientific community has already realized it, hrm? The concept you don't know everything should be considered, kiddo.

So in answer, yes, I think it makes neutronium a good armour system. The Empire/Old Republic has stabalized spheres of it large enough to be impregnated into an armour belt, and then absorb fusion missile strikes. Will this change your view? Of course not. I can't expect actual logic to penetrate your skull.

Yes, and the Empire has specially trained assault rodents that can leap 500 feet in the air and eat uranium for breakfast. I read it in some science-fiction book, so it must be true in reality, too. I'm eager to hear how you can produce a mixture from something which isn't going to pay any attention to other materials, chemically speaking, arguments about neutronium's stability and properties aside.

Perhaps you should read what's being written, kiddo. There is no chemical interaction: Just small spheres set in the armour itself. Perhaps there is some exotic containment effect, perhaps it's at the so-called magic numbers of atomic weight where things are utterly stable. And whether it's true in reality is really a secondary concern.. This is the Other Sci-Fi forum, and this is what happens in SW.

I can tell, your 'logic' lies in expecting exotic forms of matter to behave in the same way as atomic matter. I doubt that it will, and I have yet to see any compelling arguments from you as to why it will.

(Wierd snip from unknown problem with keyboard. Since the deleted words were 'As far as', this probably has no effect)

I expect matter to play by the rules we know. Do you have a compelling reason why something with discernable atomic weight will not act like other particles with similar atomic weights? All you seem to have is statements that not enough is known here in the real world, or that neutronium is special(Despite being composed entirely of a known type of subatomic particle, unlike, say, Strange Matter), and thus we can't know anything about it.

[omegaLancer]

The articles, I posted was to show that at present what we can do in shaping the Nucleus of atoms and combine neutrons to form stable structures ( compare to a solitary nuetron with a half life of 2 minute).. There are theories that SO call magic numbers of Nucleons exist, resulting in super Dense Elements that we are yet to see..

As it stand Neutronium in neutron stars are actually neutron adrift a sea of electrons and protons, forming a neutron fluids..

As it stands now Astrophysicist and Atomic Physicist have varying theories of the behavior of such highily condense matter ( including Nuetronium).

We now use lasers an magnetic fields to super cool matter to form ultra dense material Called Bose Einstein Condensate, that have density 1000 x that of normal matter.

We can create Quantum dots to capture and confine electrons in materials to create nanoscale laser and electron switch. These Quantum dots actually overcome the degenerate pressure that an electron generate .

The same degenerative pressure is what would lead to the decay of neutronium.

In the Future we may master Femotechnology allow us to trapped and confine individual Nucleons.

We are talking about culture that master instellar travel that use blackhole to create subnuclear knots of spacetime..... So anchoring Neutrons together is not beyond them..

[ClaysGhost]

Mmm. Maybe you should look at the periodic table. Atomic Weight of 2 is an unstable isotop of Hydrogen. There has, however, been stable quad-neutron... The same atomic weight as Helium. The stability of an element is linked to a specific pattern in atomic weight. Unless you've disproven the pattern, which I would be amused to see.

The periodic table does not help with atomic weight 2 materials. Deuterium (p+n) is, while rare, readily available and certainly has an atomic weight of 2. By contrast, di-neutronium is unknown for good quantum-mechanical reasons. The periodic table tells you only what should already be apparent, i.e. that pure neutron materials are too unstable to survive in nature except under extreme conditions.

I'd quite like to see a reference to this quad-neutronium.

Cite your source, please. I at least provided the periodic table and it's patterns.. What proof do you have that neutrons always break down so quickly?

Check any plot of atomic lifetimes vs. atomic weight and proton number. You will note that stable materials are grouped around the line of equal proton and neutron content, and isotope stability collapses away from this line.

Given that the only stable multi-neutron peice I've ever heard of was four neutrons(Giving it the same weight as Helium, and conforming to this theory), perhaps the scientific community has already realized it, hrm? The concept you don't know everything should be considered, kiddo.

Assuming this is true, do you want to tell me why you expect your element with atomic weight 298 to be more stable than uranium or lead? The higher the atomic weight, less stable your material will get. You can surely see that from the periodic table. I'm keen to hear why you think patterns heat capacity in atomic solids will allow you to exmaine heat capacity in solely nuclear material, since it is electrons that are important to heat capacity in solids, not nucleons.

Perhaps you should read what's being written, kiddo. There is no chemical interaction: Just small spheres set in the armour itself. Perhaps there is some exotic containment effect, perhaps it's at the so-called magic numbers of atomic weight where things are utterly stable. And whether it's true in reality is really a secondary concern.. This is the Other Sci-Fi forum, and this is what happens in SW.

How do you expect these spheres to be "set" in the armour and stay there? As for this "containment effect", that's certainly no better than ST. Turn off your containment field, and the armour disintegrates. Fantastic. Regarding the islands of (relative) stability, they are supposed to exist on the magic "protons = neutrons" line. Neutronium is not on that line.

I have proposed that the mention of neutronium in SW is just as irrational as the mention of neutronium in ST. They are both equally daft in this regard. The quotes supplied by HDS indicate that the introduction of neutronium was primarily designed to vex trekkies, rather than because it was physically reasonable.

If you would prefer that this conversation be moved to Pure SW to be more on-topic, that's fine with me.

I expect matter to play by the rules we know. Do you have a compelling reason why something with discernable atomic weight will not act like other particles with similar atomic weights? All you seem to have is statements that not enough is known here in the real world, or that neutronium is special(Despite being composed entirely of a known type of subatomic particle, unlike, say, Strange Matter), and thus we can't know anything about it.

Why should you expect any material with high atomic weight to be more stable when all its protons have been changed to neutrons? You never derived that from the periodic table. Neutronium requires a large energy barrier to be present to prevent decay, and we know nothing of materials under the kind of stress that apparently a neutron star's gravitationally-induced pressure is required to provide. The known properties of neutrons are irrelevant. There are many problems with known properties on a micro- scale but unknown properties on a macro- scale. That's one of the wonders of physics.

[ClaysGhost]

The articles, I posted was to show that at present what we can do in shaping the Nucleus of atoms and combine neutrons to form stable structures ( compare to a solitary nuetron with a half life of 2 minute).. There are theories that SO call magic numbers of Nucleons exist, resulting in super Dense Elements that we are yet to see..

None of the articles you posted concerned neutronium, only isotopes of known elements. Note that they are also unstable. The stable structures you mention are centred about the line of "protons = neutrons", having roughly equal numbers of both. Add too many particles in either direction and you fall off that region of stability.

The "magic" elements you talk about are again expected to survive only near the protons = neutrons line. I can't remember the predictions for their lifetimes, but given the lifetimes of the unnil- series I suspect "stable" is likely to be a relative term (like, seconds).

As it stand Neutronium in neutron stars are actually neutron adrift a sea of electrons and protons, forming a neutron fluids..

Neutron stars are predicted to be pure neutronium. Maybe you have one or two protons and electrons floating about, but neutrons massively dominate because of the process that created the neutron star. The electrons and protons *combine* to produce the neutrons (and lots of neutrinos) during the parent white dwarf's collapse.

As it stands now Astrophysicist and Atomic Physicist have varying theories of the behavior of such highily condense matter ( including Nuetronium).

Yes. That's because nobody can make the stuff without a source of insanely high pressure.

We now use lasers an magnetic fields to super cool matter to form ultra dense material Called Bose Einstein Condensate, that have density 1000 x that of normal matter.

Bose Einstein condensates are less dense than water, or the ones I've read about are. Perhaps you would like to provide a reference?

We can create Quantum dots to capture and confine electrons in materials to create nanoscale laser and electron switch. These Quantum dots actually overcome the degenerate pressure that an electron generate .

I've heard they're useful for many things. Breaking electron degeneracy isn't one of them. You can fit many electrons on a dot, but you can fit many electrons on a wire, and none of them will occupy exactly the same quantum state, will they?

The same degenerative pressure is what would lead to the decay of neutronium.

Neutron degeneracy pressure, yes.

In the Future we may master Femotechnology allow us to trapped and confine individual Nucleons.

Neutronium is no use unless it holds together on its own, or your armour will disintegrate if you switch the power off.

We are talking about culture that master instellar travel that use blackhole to create subnuclear knots of spacetime..... So anchoring Neutrons together is not beyond them..

So apart from being guilty of excessive use of buzzwords, what else can they do? I'm sure they can make some pretty exotic materials, like an armour that has an insane heat capacity without weighing as much as neutronium but that holds together when the power's off.

[omegaLancer]

ClaysGhost, Less dense than water???? well read this:

A BOSE EINSTEIN CONDENSATE (BEC) OF SODIUM ATOMS has been observed by Wolfgang Ketterle and his colleagues at MIT (617-253-6815). Their condensate consisted of about a half million sodium atoms, compared to the 2000 rubidium atoms in the case of the BEC observed in the previous NIST/Colorado demonstration (Update 233) and the 100,000 lithium atoms at Rice (Update 237). The greater number of atoms (with a density of 10**14 cm**-3) and the much faster condensation rate (some 10,000 times faster at MIT than for NIST/Colorado) will aid the actual study of (and not merely the demonstration) of this new state of matter, whose properties are still unknown. Recall that the BEC state is not a condensation of atoms in the ordinary sense of clumping together, but rather a single coherent atomic entity. (K.B. Davis et al., upcoming article in the 27 November 1995 Physical Review Letters; journalists can obtain a copy by contacting physnews@aip.org)

You must have so really Dense water where you are....

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As for He8 and 9, He8 contains a ring of 4 neutrons that are bound to each, this is unique and is He 9 is fairily stable, when due to odd neutron should be highily unstable..

Even so called Neutronium that is found in Neutron stars is a sea of neutrons, protons and electron..

Femotechnology involved building structures and machines on a sub atomic scale..Machines that will have there own power sources, structures that would be stable on their own...

[ClaysGhost]

ClaysGhost, Less dense than water???? well read this:

... with a density of 10**14 cm**-3 ...
You must have so really Dense water where you are....

10^14 atoms per cubic centimetre? You do know what the density of water is in those units, right?

As for He8 and 9, He8 contains a ring of 4 neutrons that are bound to each, this is unique and is He 9 is fairily stable, when due to odd neutron should be highily unstable..

You take the protons away and see what happens.

Even so called Neutronium that is found in Neutron stars is a sea of neutrons, protons and electron..

As I said, neutrons in neutron stars mainly result from the conversion of protons and electrons into neutrons during the formation of the neutron star. Protons + electrons -> neutrons, hence you end up not with a "sea of neutrons, protons and electrons" but a solid of pure neutrons with maybe a stray proton here and there. Most of the protons and electrons are converted.

Femotechnology involved building structures and machines on a sub atomic scale..Machines that will have there own power sources, structures that would be stable on their own...

Er, right. And I can see a tall, dark, handsome stranger approaching for any Librans out there.

[omegaLancer]

first it was to the minus 3 CM not to the third ( which is a cubic Centimeter)

second that millions atoms take up the space of a single Atom:

.. Recall that the BEC state is not a condensation of atoms in the ordinary sense of clumping together, but rather a single coherent atomic entity. (K.B. Davis et al., upcoming article in the 27 November 1995 Physical Review Letters; journalists can obtain a copy by contacting physnews@aip.

If we used the the density of water at 32 f then the the density of the sodium condensate would be 2000 x that of water..( water being a gram /cm3) Sodium condensate would be ( Na11) would be 2300 grams /cm3, but that at the Temperature needed to create the condensate.

As for tall dark stranger.. Already we are using lasers to probe the Nucleus of atom.. Laser induce fission of material have done... So we are at the being of a long road on the way to such technology...