Tom Cruise seeking Federal backing for Scientologists.

[Lonestar]

http://www.msnbc.com/news/921505.asp?0cv=CB20&cp1=1


Good God in Heaven.

I've always believed that Church groups and Faith based charities (I don't care if it's the Red Crescent) should be given more backing from the Feds, hence, I support Dubya's Faithbased intiatives.

Only one problem.

SCIENTOLOGY IS A FRICKING CULT/SCAM!

And Tommy boy wants the American taxpayers to give 'em money. Money that could go to real charities. Money that could go to the National Park Service. Money that could go to giving me a raise.

I'm at a lost. I know I'll flip out if The Feds are so stupid as to give them money. I know I've made comments about not making generalizations before, but Scientologists are asses, and evil, and should have their balls fed to starving dogs. Not very Christian of me to say, I know, but That's my opinion.

-Lonestar

[Admiral Valdemar]

Bwahahah, America gets funnier everyday.

[Alyrium Denryle]

We, if they support one religions charites...they have to support them all...Now you see where we come from. MY TAXES, YOUR RELIGION, NO WAY!

[Colonel Olrik]

Bwahahah, America gets funnier everyday.

We don't need an army to conquer them, they're doing all the work.

[kojikun]

I have a religion. Can I get some money???

[Kuroneko]

I have a religion. Can I get some money???

Let me guess: your faith is the belief that witless sods will give you money without asking what your exactly your religion is?

[SeebianWurm]

Combined with the belief that you have to become an adherent before you can learn the above.

[Joe]

I don't get why these fucking stupid ass religious charities are so eager for the federal money. Where federal money goes, federal rules inevitably follow.

[Gil Hamilton]

L. Ron Hubbard is my hero. He found the perfect way to part fools from their money.

[h0rus]

L. Ron Hubbard is my hero. He found the perfect way to part fools from their money.

Nah, he just borrowed from Christian initiatives.

[Darth Wong]

I've always believed that Church groups and Faith based charities (I don't care if it's the Red Crescent) should be given more backing from the Feds, hence, I support Dubya's Faithbased intiatives.

Only one problem.

SCIENTOLOGY IS A FRICKING CULT/SCAM!

They're all fucking cult/scams. Every one of them asks you to donate money, some or all of which will be spent toward the aggrandizement of a deity which is not known to exist by any rational or objective means whatsoever. What's the difference between selling a spot in Heaven to the hopeful parishiner and selling a bridge to the unwary buyer?

And Tommy boy wants the American taxpayers to give 'em money. Money that could go to real charities. Money that could go to the National Park Service. Money that could go to giving me a raise.

I could say the same thing about any "faith-based" charity. If you want to help people, why not just help them? Why reroute part of the money toward promoting a religion?

I'm at a lost. I know I'll flip out if The Feds are so stupid as to give them money. I know I've made comments about not making generalizations before, but Scientologists are asses, and evil, and should have their balls fed to starving dogs. Not very Christian of me to say, I know, but That's my opinion.

To me, there is nothing funnier than a religious person who sees flaws in other religions that he won't see in his own.

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone", Lonestar.

[Lonestar]

They're all fucking cult/scams. Every one of them asks you to donate money, some or all of which will be spent toward the aggrandizement of a deity which is not known to exist by any rational or objective means whatsoever. What's the difference between selling a spot in Heaven to the hopeful parishiner and selling a bridge to the unwary buyer?

Because Scientologist outright tells you your spiritual wellbeing is in doubt if you don't pay $$$.

I could say the same thing about any "faith-based" charity. If you want to help people, why not just help them? Why reroute part of the money toward promoting a religion?

I can't speak for all religious charities, I can speak for how they do things at Pop's church.

-Go to third world country? Check
-Hand out food? Check
-Hand out/give medicare? Check.
-Teach Secular courses(math, English)? Check
-Hold religious services but make it absolutely clear that you are not required to come in order to get said food/services/edumacation? check

To me, there is nothing funnier than a religious person who sees flaws in other religions that he won't see in his own.

What????? I thought you've seen "South Park: Bigger, Longer, Uncut"!"

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone", Lonestar.

[Rod Flanders] ::throws stone at Mike's Forehead, hits.::: Got him Dad! [/Rod Flanders]

[Admiral Johnason]

I can only say one thing:

SCIENTOLIGY IS FULL OF SHIT! CRUSADE!!!

I really hate Scientoligy. Their religion is just that stupid.

[Darth Wong]

Because Scientologist outright tells you your spiritual wellbeing is in doubt if you don't pay $$$.

So? The existence of a fixed fee schedule instead of constant qualitative berating about giving more money to the church is technically a valid distinction, but one that has no bearing on what I said. I said that both "mainstream" religions and cults try to get you to part with your money without receiving anything tangible in return.

This is like saying that cyanide is chemically different from strychnine; technically it's true, but it also has little bearing on a statement like "both are poisonous".

[SyntaxVorlon]

LMAO
Well he may just make the idiots pushing for faith based initiatives to do a double take, just for the dumb reputation of the Scientologists.
Fight on Tommy, you only help the athiests in the long run.

[Prince-Admiral Krennel]

I don't get why these fucking stupid ass religious charities are so eager for the federal money. Where federal money goes, federal rules inevitably follow.

Actually many religious groups are viamently against any religios cause accepting any federal funds, because they know the second that they do the government will be able to dicate orders to that group. You will also find certain religious groups among those that are very much for separation of church and state. That's what gives them the right to keep people out of their assemblys that are self professed homosexuals etc. If they accepted federal funds they would have to comply with anti-discrimination laws.



I am totally against groups supported by or run by religious organizations accepting federal funds.

[NapoleonGH]

the catholic church historically required a 10% thithe as part of being a member of the church. Period. SO regular pay scheduals are part of most of christianity's history.

Likewise i would say that no faith based program (including red cross/crescent) should get a dime from the government, the government is a secular body with a strict mandade to remain completely secular and any reference to non-secular things or any support of non-secular things is an affront to the essensial separation of church and state, essential to defend every one's right to believe whatever they want and not to have someone else's beliefs encroach on their life.

[Prince-Admiral Krennel]

Also, many Fundamentalist Christians are for the federal grants program because they assume that the money will go to Christian organizations. Many of them would be up in arms if the government started giving millions to Muslim and Hindu organizations.

[Lonestar]

So? The existence of a fixed fee schedule instead of constant qualitative berating about giving more money to the church is technically a valid distinction, but one that has no bearing on what I said. I said that both "mainstream" religions and cults try to get you to part with your money without receiving anything tangible in return.

This is like saying that cyanide is chemically different from strychnine; technically it's true, but it also has little bearing on a statement like "both are poisonous".

:: shrugs :: Out of mild curiosity, are you opposed to (paid for with your taxdollars) Chaplains in the Armed Forces?

[Wicked Pilot]

:: shrugs :: Out of mild curiosity, are you opposed to (paid for with your taxdollars) Chaplains in the Armed Forces?

I hope DW doesn't mind me answering a question directed at him, but yes. On base, these people are being paid to preform a service that civilian churches in the local towns would be happy to provide. In the field, they take up resources and do not contribute to the mission. Their job of 'spiritual guidance' can be performed by other religious officers and enlisted members. I say get rid of the chaplains and train more medics.

[Howedar]

They're all fucking cult/scams. Every one of them asks you to donate money, some or all of which will be spent toward the aggrandizement of a deity which is not known to exist by any rational or objective means whatsoever. What's the difference between selling a spot in Heaven to the hopeful parishiner and selling a bridge to the unwary buyer?

To my knowledge, not all "faith-based" charities do this. Some are just normal charities run by religious people.

[kojikun]

wicked, i believe chaplains are fully trained, are they not?

[Gandalf]

wicked, i believe chaplains are fully trained, are they not?

I think the one on M*A*S*H was.

[Durandal]

And Tommy boy wants the American taxpayers to give 'em money. Money that could go to real charities. Money that could go to the National Park Service. Money that could go to giving me a raise.

Money that should not go to any religious cause of any kind.

[Admiral Valdemar]

So for just $12.99 a month I can find eternal bliss and be with my make believe saviour?