feddies vs xim

[Enforcer Talen]

so, they go back in time.

can they win?

[Spanky The Dolphin]

I don't know, but probably not.

I know it doesn't have much to do with actual technology level, but even at the time of Xim the Despot, SW would still be about 25,000 to at least 75,000 years ahead of ST.

[Sea Skimmer]

All we seem to know about Xim the Despot is that hyperdrive was invented around that time and they used subspace sensors. Still technological stagnation is pretty strong in Star Wars, the 3000-year-old Invincible design is still used by the Corporate Sector.

[Eleas]

All we seem to know about Xim the Despot is that hyperdrive was invented around that time and they used subspace sensors. Still technological stagnation is pretty strong in Star Wars, the 3000-year-old Invincible design is still used by the Corporate Sector.

Yeah, as a patrol ship. It's hardly up to specs.

[DocMoriartty]

Xim's era still wins.

The Invincible design mounts turbolasers strong enough to cream ST ships.

Hyperdrive exists and is still better than warp.

Look at all those wodnerful wardroids. How long will ST troops last against those?

[Solauren]

Actually, the Federation has a chance against Xim

Hyperdrive was still new, and probably no where NEAR as fast as it is in "modern" Star Wars

Blasters and Star Wars energy weapons were still in there infancy. Lightsabers were 12,000 years away or more

They didn't have planetary shields yet

Also, Xvim didn't have the resources of a galaxy.

[Iceberg]

I find it interesting and somewhat entertaining that 25,000 years ago, the Star Wars galaxy was probably at about the same point, technologically speaking, that the Federation is in the 24th century.

[GeeYouEye]

I find it interesting and somewhat entertaining that 25,000 years ago, the Star Wars galaxy was probably at about the same point, technologically speaking, that the Federation is in the 24th century.

Well, actually, it's a good deal older than that... It's "a long time ago" minus 25000 years.

[DocMoriartty]

There is also the Ebin Scimitar. I do not know any specifics about it but it was mentioned as being the ancient equivalent to the Death Star.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

I find it interesting and somewhat entertaining that 25,000 years ago, the Star Wars galaxy was probably at about the same point, technologically speaking, that the Federation is in the 24th century.

SW was still more advanced than the Federation in the Pre-Republic Xim Era, since according to the EU, there's been space travel in the Galaxy for at least a million years before the OT.

[Illuminatus Primus]

I find it interesting and somewhat entertaining that 25,000 years ago, the Star Wars galaxy was probably at about the same point, technologically speaking, that the Federation is in the 24th century.

SW was still more advanced than the Federation in the Pre-Republic Xim Era, since according to the EU, there's been space travel in the Galaxy for at least a million years before the OT.

It says no such thing. We know there was interstellar travel before hyperdrive. And we know that the Coruscant cityscape really started to get dense 90,000 years before ANH (last taverns deep down see light for the last time).

[Solauren]

Okay.. let's look at this (using the Essential Guides, and other stuff. Go read Time Tales on TheForce.net)

Blasters were created, in crude form, about -27,000 Before the Battle of Yavin

Xvim's Reign was from approx -25,130 Before the Battle of Yavin to -25,100 Before the Battle of Yavin (30 years), and he was defeated by the Hutts.

Hyperdrive was invited until about 100 years after Xvim's empire collapsed.

Xvim was using something BESIDES Hyperdrive. Probably equal to Warp Drive or transwarp drive. Since he had a few thousand systems under his control, I'd have to say high end Warp Drive, MAYBE Transwarp.

Energy Torpdoes and Photon Torpedoes were invited 20 years before and during the Clone Wars (25,080 years after Xvim). At most he had really crude Rockets.
He also lacked Planetary Shields, lightsabers, and all the other wonderful things that give Star Wars that huge advantage

In the end, I'd give this one to Starfleet/the Federation. I mean, if the Hutts could do it at that tech level, Starfleet should be able too. I mean, the Hutts use slaves, not trained miltiary personal that know tactics etc.

On the same note, the Sith Empire prior to it's first invasion of the Old Republic could have taken out the Federation

[Admiral Johnason]

Also, they didn't have any real superweapons till Palpie's time, so the Fedie's might have one up on Xim.

[Sea Skimmer]

In the end, I'd give this one to Starfleet/the Federation. I mean, if the Hutts could do it at that tech level, Starfleet should be able too. I mean, the Hutts use slaves, not trained miltiary personal that know tactics etc.

Various Islamic nations used slaves as troops as well. Doesn't mean they deployed masses of inept morons, far from it in fact.

[Illuminatus Primus]

Proton torpedoes and other similar warhead weapons have been around since the Great Hyperspace War. They're not new.

[Admiral Johnason]

In the end, I'd give this one to Starfleet/the Federation. I mean, if the Hutts could do it at that tech level, Starfleet should be able too. I mean, the Hutts use slaves, not trained miltiary personal that know tactics etc.

Various Islamic nations used slaves as troops as well. Doesn't mean they deployed masses of inept morons, far from it in fact.

Iraqi regulars, the Saudi government (who are just morons anyway), and the Palastinian terrorist who think that they will survive a sucide, critical word there, sucide, bombings.

[Patrick Ogaard]

In the end, I'd give this one to Starfleet/the Federation. I mean, if the Hutts could do it at that tech level, Starfleet should be able too. I mean, the Hutts use slaves, not trained miltiary personal that know tactics etc.

Various Islamic nations used slaves as troops as well. Doesn't mean they deployed masses of inept morons, far from it in fact.

Iraqi regulars, the Saudi government (who are just morons anyway), and the Palastinian terrorist who think that they will survive a sucide, critical word there, sucide, bombings.

The reference here was almost certainly to Egyptian Mamelukes and Ottoman Janissaries.

Mamelukes were slaves. In Egypt, they were slaves bought by the state as children and raised in a regimented military environment that turned them into extremely efficient troops. Eventually, they figured out that they might as well be in charge, since no one could say no to the only professional troops around. They then held on until their highly effective cavalry and archers took on Napoleon's troops and found that no amount of skill with sword and bow and no amount of bravery will help against massed troops with bayonet and musket, supported by huge batteries of cannon.

The Janissaries were primarily an infantry unit, recruited from a draft carried out in the Christian villages within the Ottoman Empire. Government bureaucrats came into the villages and picked the male children to be turned over to the government for induction into the Janissary corps. There they were turned into fanatically loyal and strictly disciplined body of troops by means of a brutally thorough regimen of indoctrination, punishment and training. The Janissaries were the troops most feared by the Austrians at the siege of Vienna. Their level of discipline and tenacity set them apart from ordinary Turkish levy troops. Of course, their discipline and tenacity also meant they suffered massive losses whenever their less disciplined allies headed for the hills and left them hanging.

Other Islamic nations had developed similar systems, though none as effective.

By the time the European powers began building their colonial empires, the Islamic slave soldier systems had already run well past the peak of their development, and were, in the end and despite occasional victories, no match for European recruitment, training, tactics and military technology.

[Coruscant_Dweller]

Even given the more primitive level of tech in Xim's time, it was still at least equal to, and I would say rather better than, that of the Feds. At the least, I doubt the warships of his time had the same over-centralized, unstable designs as Fed vessels. Moreover, as has been noted, Xim controlled several thousand systems. Given the state of Coruscant even in Xim's time, some of those systems must have been massively built up. Xim would have had a far larger industrial base than the Feds.

Unloveable as he might be, I think I've got to go with Xim on this one.

[Ender]

Given the tech level potrayed in the Great Hyperspace War (Sticks hold off the war beasts of an interstellar empire. Yer, you read that correctly. An empire with FTL travel, energy weapons, and nova weapons still uses animals for a ground attack "vehicle" and can be held back my dark ages pike formations), I'd say the Feds could take them.

Hell, shields aparently weren't very prolific untl well after the Great Sith War, and the weapons 5000 prior to BoY are blasters comparable to the PD weapons used on modern ships.

[Illuminatus Primus]

Given the tech level potrayed in the Great Hyperspace War (Sticks hold off the war beasts of an interstellar empire. Yer, you read that correctly. An empire with FTL travel, energy weapons, and nova weapons still uses animals for a ground attack "vehicle" and can be held back my dark ages pike formations), I'd say the Feds could take them.

Explain.

*beating KJA and Vietch into bloody mess*

[Ender]

Given the tech level potrayed in the Great Hyperspace War (Sticks hold off the war beasts of an interstellar empire. Yer, you read that correctly. An empire with FTL travel, energy weapons, and nova weapons still uses animals for a ground attack "vehicle" and can be held back my dark ages pike formations), I'd say the Feds could take them.

Explain.

*beating KJA and Vietch into bloody mess*

There is a mental disorder known as Down's Syndrome. A man inflicted with it by the name of Kevin J Anderson was accidentally hired to write by Lucas Books and by Dark Horse Comics.

That is the result.

One of the final ground battles of the Great Hyperspace war has the natives in an earthworks fortification using walls of pikes to hold back the "war elephants: of the Sith Empire.

[Captain Cyran]

Okay.. let's look at this (using the Essential Guides, and other stuff. Go read Time Tales on TheForce.net)

Blasters were created, in crude form, about -27,000 Before the Battle of Yavin

Actually, on the Essential Guide to Weapons and Technology, Blasters were not created even by the time Xim had an empire, they had Beam Tubes. Lets examine what they say about the Beam Tubes shall we?

Beam Tubes were very crude weapons, powerful enough to break through the then modern day armor.

Beam Tubes required a massive backpack that weighed over 30 kilograms, and delivered less then 100 shots. The Beam Tube itself weighed 15 kilograms and required two hands to operate.

The sensative internal refinement tubes are easily thrown out of alignment and can take up to 4 hours to reconfigure.

It takes a few seconds to charge up for another shot, it's range is 20 meters optimum, 50 max.

These things were considered to be the best things on the battlefield at the time, gimme a Phaser Rifle any day of the week over this thing thank you.

[YT300000]

Xim's droids had heatbeams which could boil someones skin right off. They also had a fast reload rate, and a lot of ammo. Handheld heatbeams might not be so good, however.

[Captain Cyran]

Xim's droids had heatbeams which could boil someones skin right off. They also had a fast reload rate, and a lot of ammo. Handheld heatbeams might not be so good, however.

The book says that the droids use Beam Tubes, so they are probably the same thing. But the fast recharge thing is good, I doubt they have any better of range however and they are probably just as likely to get messed up and unable to fire as the E-D was likely to have it's warp core explode . I give this one to the feddies, it won't be an easy fight but based on the kind of stuff they had at Xim's times, Fed technology seems to be at least comparable in most places, better in others.

[YT300000]

Xim's droids had heatbeams which could boil someones skin right off. They also had a fast reload rate, and a lot of ammo. Handheld heatbeams might not be so good, however.

The book says that the droids use Beam Tubes, so they are probably the same thing. But the fast recharge thing is good, I doubt they have any better of range however and they are probably just as likely to get messed up and unable to fire as the E-D was likely to have it's warp core explode . I give this one to the feddies, it won't be an easy fight but based on the kind of stuff they had at Xim's times, Fed technology seems to be at least comparable in most places, better in others.

Except for accuracy. It would be a close fight.

What if we factor in tactics? (or intelligence )