feddies vs xim

[Captain Cyran]

Xim's droids had heatbeams which could boil someones skin right off. They also had a fast reload rate, and a lot of ammo. Handheld heatbeams might not be so good, however.

The book says that the droids use Beam Tubes, so they are probably the same thing. But the fast recharge thing is good, I doubt they have any better of range however and they are probably just as likely to get messed up and unable to fire as the E-D was likely to have it's warp core explode . I give this one to the feddies, it won't be an easy fight but based on the kind of stuff they had at Xim's times, Fed technology seems to be at least comparable in most places, better in others.

Except for accuracy. It would be a close fight.

What if we factor in tactics? (or intelligence )

Well, I think the ground battle is at least debatable, and if the Feds are intelligent (Intelligent HA) about the fight they should be able to take it.

Actually, I just thought of something, did Xim have any warships? Or did he only have ground troops?

[YT300000]

Well, he controlled a large chunk of space, so I'd think he had ships.

[YT300000]

Xim's fleets were defeated at the third Battle of Vontor.

HLL specifically says fleets, so yes, he did have ships.

[Captain Cyran]

Xim's fleets were defeated at the third Battle of Vontor.

HLL specifically says fleets, so yes, he did have ships.

Do we have any idea how powerful of a fleet, or how many ships? I honestly doubt that he had over 1000 ships, TOPS, and they are probably at an equal with the Feds. The spacebattle ends after a fierce battle, the feds are in some pain, but from there they can just sit above the planet and call for a surrender, and if Xim doesn't you send a few torpedo's down.

[YT300000]

It's a bit hard to debate this. We have no specific quotes or anything whatsoever.

We have no idea how powerful Xim's force was.

[Captain Cyran]

It's a bit hard to debate this. We have no specific quotes or anything whatsoever.

We have no idea how powerful Xim's force was.

Well, we don't know how many ships they had but we DO know that the best weapons they had placed on ships were probably oversized beam tubes with HORRIBLY short range, with mostly particle weapons and magnetic accelerators for their guns.

[YT300000]

It's a bit hard to debate this. We have no specific quotes or anything whatsoever.

We have no idea how powerful Xim's force was.

Well, we don't know how many ships they had but we DO know that the best weapons they had placed on ships were probably oversized beam tubes with HORRIBLY short range, with mostly particle weapons and magnetic accelerators for their guns.

If only we knew the strenght of their ships...

[RedImperator]

Beam Tubes were very crude weapons, powerful enough to break through the then modern day armor.

Beam Tubes required a massive backpack that weighed over 30 kilograms, and delivered less then 100 shots. The Beam Tube itself weighed 15 kilograms and required two hands to operate.

The sensative internal refinement tubes are easily thrown out of alignment and can take up to 4 hours to reconfigure.

It takes a few seconds to charge up for another shot, it's range is 20 meters optimum, 50 max.

Am I reading that correctly? Is that an infantry weapon that weighs FORTY-FIVE KILOS with a maximum range of FIFTY METERS? As in, someone standing at the back of his end zone couldn't hit somebody on the 50 yard line? A hundred pound weapon that doesn't have the range of a good field goal kicker on a calm day? Jesus H. Christ, who writes this shit?

[Ghost Rider]

Beam Tubes were very crude weapons, powerful enough to break through the then modern day armor.

Beam Tubes required a massive backpack that weighed over 30 kilograms, and delivered less then 100 shots. The Beam Tube itself weighed 15 kilograms and required two hands to operate.

The sensative internal refinement tubes are easily thrown out of alignment and can take up to 4 hours to reconfigure.

It takes a few seconds to charge up for another shot, it's range is 20 meters optimum, 50 max.

Am I reading that correctly? Is that an infantry weapon that weighs FORTY-FIVE KILOS with a maximum range of FIFTY METERS? As in, someone standing at the back of his end zone couldn't hit somebody on the 50 yard line? A hundred pound weapon that doesn't have the range of a good field goal kicker on a calm day? Jesus H. Christ, who writes this shit?

KJA, that's who.

[Howedar]

Spears would be better weapons.

[Sea Skimmer]

Am I reading that correctly? Is that an infantry weapon that weighs FORTY-FIVE KILOS with a maximum range of FIFTY METERS? As in, someone standing at the back of his end zone couldn't hit somebody on the 50 yard line? A hundred pound weapon that doesn't have the range of a good field goal kicker on a calm day? Jesus H. Christ, who writes this shit?

That's better then a flamethrower. If this thing can defeat heavy armor then it should be fairly useful against bunkers in close combat, but that's about it

[Darth Wong]

That's better then a flamethrower. If this thing can defeat heavy armor then it should be fairly useful against bunkers in close combat, but that's about it

I would hope this thing has considerable penetrating power and some particular special application rather than an intended use as all-purpose weapons, otherwise Tusken Raiders would be ass-raping these people.

[RedImperator]

The only reason I can see for that to be a standard infantry weapon (which the text seems to imply) is if it was the only thing capable of cracking standard infantry armor. But even that doesn't make any sense. Surely they could have a lighter, better weapon that threw enough KE to kill the wearer even if the armor held, right? Or is my understanding of physics totally fucked?

[Eleas]

That's better then a flamethrower. If this thing can defeat heavy armor then it should be fairly useful against bunkers in close combat, but that's about it

I would hope this thing has considerable penetrating power and some particular special application rather than an intended use as all-purpose weapons, otherwise Tusken Raiders would be ass-raping these people.

Now there's an image I didn't need.

[Captain Cyran]

That's better then a flamethrower. If this thing can defeat heavy armor then it should be fairly useful against bunkers in close combat, but that's about it

I would hope this thing has considerable penetrating power and some particular special application rather than an intended use as all-purpose weapons, otherwise Tusken Raiders would be ass-raping these people.

Well it does say in the book that it could break through most armor of the day. So yeah it did have quite a bit of punch to it.

[The Silence and I]

From what I recall from the Essential Guide to Weapons and Tech., Beam Tubes revolutionized the battle field! It goes on to say the armor of the day was designed to handle impacts from K.E. weapons, making infantry highly resistant to high/hyper-velocity projectile weapons of the day. This was just about the only thing that could easily penetrate the armor, as it was far from heat-resistant.

A battle could have gone something like this:

Group A, armed with high-powered, long ranged K.E. weapons sights group B, armed with very heavy, cumbersome prototype weapons. Both are wearing standard armor. Group A has a superior position, and waits. As group B approaches, they recieve a barrage of high-velocity sniping fire, but only a few fall. The rest shrug it off and advance at best possible speed. Group A is now wondering why they haven't returned fire yet. Finally, and after many casualties, Group B gets within 100 meters and opens fire. They have a smaller force now, but each shot kills, while they still resist Group A's fire... eventually Group A is destroyed, with maybie ~30% casualties for group B.

And after a while people realize these weapons are better... sort of (I would think a counter revolution would have occured at some point. Once everyone uses energy weapons, the armor would change, adapted for heat-resistance... so break out the projectile guns! Now I have greater range, and easy kills! But, alas, that didn't seem to happen) and everyone has their own heavy powerhungry energy weapon.

[The Silence and I]

At anyrate, if this is what they are using, then the Feds could actually win a ground battle

They may not be great, but even a phaser rifle has greater range + more than enough power. Also, would this be the era when starships used small calibre projectile weapons, rockets, and low power masers (as described in the ESGTW+T)? If so, then I give space to the Feds for certain, ground maybie, and if nothing else they can bombard from orbit after creaming the fleets.

[Cpt_Frank]

That's better then a flamethrower. If this thing can defeat heavy armor then it should be fairly useful against bunkers in close combat, but that's about it

I would hope this thing has considerable penetrating power and some particular special application rather than an intended use as all-purpose weapons, otherwise Tusken Raiders would be ass-raping these people.

Well it does say in the book that it could break through most armor of the day. So yeah it did have quite a bit of punch to it.

From the description I'd say it's a man-portable anti-armor weapon, not a standard infantry weapon.

[Soulman]

If pikes were effective thier armour can't have been good enough to defeat muskets, let alone high velocity rifles. How the fuck do you have star ships and pikes anyway, it's ridiculous.

[EmperorSolo51]

If pikes were effective thier armour can't have been good enough to defeat muskets, let alone high velocity rifles. How the fuck do you have star ships and pikes anyway, it's ridiculous.

Sort of reminds me about a book I wonce read. I forget the title, it was by Harry Turtledove, I think. In this book, one of the first things the alien civilizations develop as they industrialize is developing starships and FTL travel. Weapons developement takes a major backseat to all other things. (the aliens still use flintlock muskets) When they launch thier invasion of earth. They are shocked to not only find an idustrialized world with FTL tech, but are more shocked by the fact that Humans have developed machine guns and nuclear missiles and the like. That was probobly what happened in the Pre-republic days of SW.

[RedImperator]

If you're thinking of the Worldwar series, the Lizards stopped developing military technology at about mid-to-late 1990s level because at that point, they'd unified their entire planet and there was no more need to advance it--they don't even have soldiers when they're not gearing up for an invasion of another planet. They were still more advanced than humans when they arrived in 1942. The problem was they were vastly outnumbered, their tactics stunk, and Atvar had no strategic sense (abandoning a strong push against Germany to invade England, attacking all five major powers at once, etc.).

[EmperorSolo51]

If you're thinking of the Worldwar series, the Lizards stopped developing military technology at about mid-to-late 1990s level because at that point, they'd unified their entire planet and there was no more need to advance it--they don't even have soldiers when they're not gearing up for an invasion of another planet. They were still more advanced than humans when they arrived in 1942. The problem was they were vastly outnumbered, their tactics stunk, and Atvar had no strategic sense (abandoning a strong push against Germany to invade England, attacking all five major powers at once, etc.).

No, I have read the World War series in it's entirety and the book I am talking about is a whole lot different.

[EmperorSolo51]

BTW, When I said that the aliens are astonished to find Earth with FTL, I mean without FTL tech.

[Ender]

If pikes were effective thier armour can't have been good enough to defeat muskets, let alone high velocity rifles. How the fuck do you have star ships and pikes anyway, it's ridiculous.

It's KJA, what do you expect?

Really, to show a primitive society, they shoud be a few thousand years more advanced then us.

[Connor MacLeod]

Do we have any idea how powerful of a fleet, or how many ships? I honestly doubt that he had over 1000 ships, TOPS, and they are probably at an equal with the Feds. The spacebattle ends after a fierce battle, the feds are in some pain, but from there they can just sit above the planet and call for a surrender, and if Xim doesn't you send a few torpedo's down.

considering the sources I have suggest he had anywhere from thousands of systems (star wars encyclopedia) to something like a hundred thousand plus worlds (Essential Chronology) and had conquered thousands of worlds and had an empire that had lasted around three decades (before the Hutts lead an alliance against him), I doubt he has only 1000 ships.