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Kuroneko
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The Question wrote:Yes, because of people who think they have some rightful power to violate the rights of others - often citing need as the justification.
If people's rights get violated regularly, as here you admit, what use is a moral code that does not compel others to correct those violations? Such a thing would do nothing but perpetuate those violations.
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The Question wrote:And now you transition it from "a product with an inherent, dangerous design flaw" to "a less-than-ideal product."

Nice duck and dodge.
Actually, I said that there was a design flaw which would "create a public safety hazard", ie- the product is obviously not perfect. You are trying to exaggerate it into such an enormous design flaw that everyone who uses it dies and the manufacturer must be knowingly causing these deaths (hence fraud), which is ridiculous; the history of manufacturing and design negligence is not filled with such occurrences. Stop quoting yourself and pretending it's me.

PS. Speaking of "duck and dodge", answer the question. What "right" has been violated when someone sells a product with an unsafe "design flaw?"
No, a moral system or code is how one evaluates, achieves and keeps values.
Wow, thanks for the nitpick. How does this justify your claim that any moral system which advocates social responsibility must be annihilating individual rights in the process?
A moral obligation is that which, if you don't fulfill it, you are by definition acting immorally.
Correct. It is immoral NOT to help the boy.
Choosing not to help someone who is not my responsibility has no bearing on my moral balance.
Because the world revolves around you, so you have no reason to help anyone unless you created their problem. We get it.
Hey, maybe you don't read the news, but suffering is much more common than comfort in this world, dumb-ass.
Yes, because of people who think they have some rightful power to violate the rights of others - often citing need as the justification.
Yet again, you act as though forcing your will upon others is somehow intrinsic to the nature of altruism. You have been challenged to back up this bullshit repeatedly, and you ignore the challenges to repeat the statement. Once again: why do you believe "help others" means "I'm allowed to hurt others to help myself if I think I need to?"
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The Question wrote:No, a moral system or code is how one evaluates, achieves and keeps values.
No, it is a system which aids in the testing of moral adequates and standards.
A moral obligation is that which, if you don't fulfill it, you are by definition acting immorally.
Bingo!

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