Mel Gibson, Jesus Christ, Catholic Church and Hypocrisy

N&P: Discuss governments, nations, politics and recent related news here.

Moderators: Alyrium Denryle, Edi, K. A. Pital

User avatar
Stravo
Official SD.Net Teller of Tales
Posts: 12806
Joined: 2002-07-08 12:06pm
Location: NYC

Mel Gibson, Jesus Christ, Catholic Church and Hypocrisy

Post by Stravo »

I was reading an article in the paper last night about controversy surrounding Mel Gibson's Christ movie. For the benefit of those who haven't heard about it, essentially Mel is making a movie about the passion of Christ (events leading up to and including the crucifixion) and it will be in Aramaic and Latin (NO SUBTITLES, what an ass, one thing is being artisitic another is just being plain stupid, only Latin scholars will get this movie, this has blockbuster written all over it :roll: )

Seems that Jewish and Catholic groups are up in arms after getting some excerpts from the script. The Jews are pissed because they say the movie portrays them in a negative light. Mel wants to follow the gospels as closely as possible in this depiction and the gospels are pretty harsh on the Jewish community, as Mel put it, "He was not recognized and cast out by his own"

The Jewish groups are insisting that this will dredge up horrible stereotypes.

The Catholics are stating the same position, seems the Cathloic church has decided fuck the gospels let's hop on the PC bandwagon. Its like they are ashamed of how the gospels portray Jews but will latch on to these same scriptures to attack - Gays, Atheists, Muslims, and other undesirables. But since they have an alliance with the Jewish religious community let's start sweeping that embarassing shit under the rug.

Mel Gibson is not innocent either, while much of this is guilt by association it does make food for thought. Seems Mel's dad was a foudner of a movement that denied the neccessity of Vatican II and were sort of fundie Catholics. They also denied the Holocaust and other typically virulent antisemetic thought that pervaded the Church for centuries and which the church tried to deal with in Vatican II and which we see now in their defense of the Jewish view that the passion of Christ needs to be toned down a bit nowadays.

So does the son share the father's views...Mel denies it, but is known to be a strict Catholic, does not use birth control, hence the gaggle of kids he has, and now this movie, it makes you wonder.

Anyway, this had me thinking alot last night, particulalrly about the hypocrisy on all sides regarding the passion of Christ. Any thoughts?
Wherever you go, there you are.

Ripped Shirt Monkey - BOTMWriter's Guild Cybertron's Finest Justice League
This updated sig brought to you by JME2
Image
User avatar
Gandalf
SD.net White Wizard
Posts: 16354
Joined: 2002-09-16 11:13pm
Location: A video store in Australia

Post by Gandalf »

Over the years the Gospels have probably been written and re-written so many times that I don't believe much of what was said in them.
"Oh no, oh yeah, tell me how can it be so fair
That we dying younger hiding from the police man over there
Just for breathing in the air they wanna leave me in the chair
Electric shocking body rocking beat streeting me to death"

- A.B. Original, Report to the Mist

"I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately."
- George Carlin
HemlockGrey
Fucking Awesome
Posts: 13834
Joined: 2002-07-04 03:21pm

Post by HemlockGrey »

Sorry, I'm still hung up on the mind-boggling stupidity of making a movie entirely in Aramaic and Latin.
The End of Suburbia
"If more cars are inevitable, must there not be roads for them to run on?"
-Robert Moses

"The Wire" is the best show in the history of television. Watch it today.
User avatar
Vympel
Spetsnaz
Spetsnaz
Posts: 29312
Joined: 2002-07-19 01:08am
Location: Sydney Australia

Post by Vympel »

Me too. What an idiotic idea.
Like Legend of Galactic Heroes? Please contribute to http://gineipaedia.com/
User avatar
StarshipTitanic
Sith Marauder
Posts: 4475
Joined: 2002-07-03 09:41pm
Location: Massachusetts

Post by StarshipTitanic »

HemlockGrey wrote:Sorry, I'm still hung up on the mind-boggling stupidity of making a movie entirely in Aramaic and Latin.
I'll go with my friends and we'll make up dialogue. The theater will be empty anyway...
"Man's unfailing capacity to believe what he prefers to be true rather than what the evidence shows to be likely and possible has always astounded me...God has not been proven not to exist, therefore he must exist." -- Academician Prokhor Zakharov

"Hal grabs life by the balls and doesn't let you do that [to] hal."

"I hereby declare myself master of the known world."
User avatar
Stravo
Official SD.Net Teller of Tales
Posts: 12806
Joined: 2002-07-08 12:06pm
Location: NYC

Post by Stravo »

Bastards, I spend minutes writing that all out expecting some deep thoughts and you're focussing on a peripheral issue. Curse you all!!!
Wherever you go, there you are.

Ripped Shirt Monkey - BOTMWriter's Guild Cybertron's Finest Justice League
This updated sig brought to you by JME2
Image
User avatar
Vympel
Spetsnaz
Spetsnaz
Posts: 29312
Joined: 2002-07-19 01:08am
Location: Sydney Australia

Post by Vympel »

Stravo wrote:Bastards, I spend minutes writing that all out expecting some deep thoughts and you're focussing on a peripheral issue. Curse you all!!!
You shouldn't have mentione that caveat, it's far more amusing than this storm in a teacup.

They're hypocrites and funides. That's my thoughts. 8)

People will look upon this film as the height of Mel Gibson's arrogance.
Like Legend of Galactic Heroes? Please contribute to http://gineipaedia.com/
User avatar
StarshipTitanic
Sith Marauder
Posts: 4475
Joined: 2002-07-03 09:41pm
Location: Massachusetts

Post by StarshipTitanic »

Stravo wrote:Bastards, I spend minutes writing that all out expecting some deep thoughts and you're focussing on a peripheral issue. Curse you all!!!
Oh fine, make it hard won't you?
The Jews are pissed because they say the movie portrays them in a negative light. Mel wants to follow the gospels as closely as possible in this depiction and the gospels are pretty harsh on the Jewish community, as Mel put it, "He was not recognized and cast out by his own"
Yeah, they'll probably get painted as the Forces of Evil. I can't wait to see the scene when the Jews choose that other guy (keep forgetting his name) over him.
The Catholics are stating the same position, seems the Cathloic church has decided fuck the gospels let's hop on the PC bandwagon. Its like they are ashamed of how the gospels portray Jews but will latch on to these same scriptures to attack - Gays, Atheists, Muslims, and other undesirables. But since they have an alliance with the Jewish religious community let's start sweeping that embarassing shit under the rug.
The Catholic Church's entire history has been defined by who they can latch onto. Huns, Lombards, Germans, and the French have all had a turn with the Bishop. Not suprising they'd latch onto the Jews now because of WW2.
Mel Gibson is not innocent either, while much of this is guilt by association it does make food for thought. Seems Mel's dad was a foudner of a movement that denied the neccessity of Vatican II and were sort of fundie Catholics. They also denied the Holocaust and other typically virulent antisemetic thought that pervaded the Church for centuries and which the church tried to deal with in Vatican II and which we see now in their defense of the Jewish view that the passion of Christ needs to be toned down a bit nowadays.
Again, I'm sure scenes with a large number of Jews will be...interesting.
So does the son share the father's views...Mel denies it, but is known to be a strict Catholic, does not use birth control, hence the gaggle of kids he has, and now this movie, it makes you wonder.

Anyway, this had me thinking alot last night, particulalrly about the hypocrisy on all sides regarding the passion of Christ. Any thoughts?
This will be a great movie to mercilessly torment?
"Man's unfailing capacity to believe what he prefers to be true rather than what the evidence shows to be likely and possible has always astounded me...God has not been proven not to exist, therefore he must exist." -- Academician Prokhor Zakharov

"Hal grabs life by the balls and doesn't let you do that [to] hal."

"I hereby declare myself master of the known world."
Axis Kast
Vympel's Bitch
Posts: 3893
Joined: 2003-03-02 10:45am
Location: Pretoria, South Africa
Contact:

Post by Axis Kast »

As a Jew, I'm a bit worried.

I don't think this will cause a Night of the Long Knives.

But like The Fast and The Furious, we could see some short-term incidents as a result. I certainly hope people won't think this is some kind of realistic history.
User avatar
Gandalf
SD.net White Wizard
Posts: 16354
Joined: 2002-09-16 11:13pm
Location: A video store in Australia

Post by Gandalf »

Axis Kast wrote:As a Jew, I'm a bit worried.

I don't think this will cause a Night of the Long Knives.

But like The Fast and The Furious, we could see some short-term incidents as a result. I certainly hope people won't think this is some kind of realistic history.
What did Fast and Furious do?
"Oh no, oh yeah, tell me how can it be so fair
That we dying younger hiding from the police man over there
Just for breathing in the air they wanna leave me in the chair
Electric shocking body rocking beat streeting me to death"

- A.B. Original, Report to the Mist

"I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately."
- George Carlin
Axis Kast
Vympel's Bitch
Posts: 3893
Joined: 2003-03-02 10:45am
Location: Pretoria, South Africa
Contact:

Post by Axis Kast »

A string of accidents in American parking lots by kids coming out of the movies and racing at like 2:00 in the morning.

A reawakened interest in illegal street racing by amateurs who killed themselves or others.
Axis Kast
Vympel's Bitch
Posts: 3893
Joined: 2003-03-02 10:45am
Location: Pretoria, South Africa
Contact:

Post by Axis Kast »

When I said "Night of the Long Knives," I mean Krystallnacht.
User avatar
Vympel
Spetsnaz
Spetsnaz
Posts: 29312
Joined: 2002-07-19 01:08am
Location: Sydney Australia

Post by Vympel »

The movie Fight Clubhad some unforseen consequences too- basically- a whole bunch of stupid fuckers missing the point of the film entirely and going out and trying to emulate the fight clubs.
Like Legend of Galactic Heroes? Please contribute to http://gineipaedia.com/
User avatar
Peregrin Toker
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 8609
Joined: 2002-07-04 10:57am
Location: Denmark
Contact:

Post by Peregrin Toker »

Axis Kast wrote:A string of accidents in American parking lots by kids coming out of the movies and racing at like 2:00 in the morning.

A reawakened interest in illegal street racing by amateurs who killed themselves or others.
While you're at it, don't forget the russian roulette suicides caused by "Deer Hunter."
Stravo wrote: For the benefit of those who haven't heard about it, essentially Mel is making a movie about the passion of Christ (events leading up to and including the crucifixion) and it will be in Aramaic and Latin (NO SUBTITLES, what an ass, one thing is being artisitic another is just being plain stupid, only Latin scholars will get this movie, this has blockbuster written all over it)
Hey, I have a similar dream about making an Arthurian movie entirely in Welsh!
"Hi there, would you like to have a cookie?"

"No, actually I would HATE to have a cookie, you vapid waste of inedible flesh!"
User avatar
Saurencaerthai
Jedi Master
Posts: 1091
Joined: 2003-04-22 11:33pm
Location: New England

Re: Mel Gibson, Jesus Christ, Catholic Church and Hypocrisy

Post by Saurencaerthai »

Stravo wrote: NO SUBTITLES, what an ass, one thing is being artisitic another is just being plain stupid, only Latin scholars will get this movie,
Don't forget the Talmudic scholars as well! Arameic ain't dead yet!
Music can name the un-nameable and communicate with the unknowable.
-Leonard Bernstein
User avatar
Joe
Space Cowboy
Posts: 17314
Joined: 2002-08-22 09:58pm
Location: Wishing I was in Athens, GA

Post by Joe »

If Mel Gibson didn't run the company that's backing the film you can bet he would be putting subtitles into that movie.
Image

BoTM / JL / MM / HAB / VRWC / Horseman

I'm studying for the CPA exam. Have a nice summer, and if you're down just sit back and realize that Joe is off somewhere, doing much worse than you are.
User avatar
Dahak
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 7292
Joined: 2002-10-29 12:08pm
Location: Admiralty House, Landing, Manticore
Contact:

Post by Dahak »

Axis Kast wrote:When I said "Night of the Long Knives," I mean Krystallnacht.
Did you mean the Reichskristallnacht?
Image
Great Dolphin Conspiracy - Chatter box
"Implications: we have been intercepted deliberately by a means unknown, for a purpose unknown, and transferred to a place unknown by a form of intelligence unknown. Apart from the unknown, everything is obvious." ZORAC
GALE Force Euro Wimp
Human dignity shall be inviolable. To respect and protect it shall be the duty of all state authority.
Image
User avatar
NecronLord
Harbinger of Doom
Harbinger of Doom
Posts: 27384
Joined: 2002-07-07 06:30am
Location: The Lost City

Re: Mel Gibson, Jesus Christ, Catholic Church and Hypocrisy

Post by NecronLord »

Stravo wrote:(events leading up to and including the crucifixion) and it will be in Aramaic and Latin (NO SUBTITLES, what an ass, one thing is being artisitic another is just being plain stupid, only Latin scholars will get this movie, this has blockbuster written all over it :roll: )
I resent that. We'll still be wondering what the fuck they're saying in aramaic.

Anyway, this had me thinking alot last night, particulalrly about the hypocrisy on all sides regarding the passion of Christ. Any thoughts?
Hail Rome. Three cheers for Proconsul Pilate.

Hows that? :D
Superior Moderator - BotB - HAB [Drill Instructor]-Writer- Stardestroyer.net's resident Star-God.
"We believe in the systematic understanding of the physical world through observation and experimentation, argument and debate and most of all freedom of will." ~ Stargate: The Ark of Truth
User avatar
Stravo
Official SD.Net Teller of Tales
Posts: 12806
Joined: 2002-07-08 12:06pm
Location: NYC

Re: Mel Gibson, Jesus Christ, Catholic Church and Hypocrisy

Post by Stravo »

NecronLord wrote:
Stravo wrote: Anyway, this had me thinking alot last night, particulalrly about the hypocrisy on all sides regarding the passion of Christ. Any thoughts?
Hail Rome. Three cheers for Proconsul Pilate.

Hows that? :D
Actually if Pilate had not caved to the pressure of some zealot holy men Christ would not have been crucified and most likely the cult of Mithras would be worshipped today. Thank you Pilate for having no balls.
Wherever you go, there you are.

Ripped Shirt Monkey - BOTMWriter's Guild Cybertron's Finest Justice League
This updated sig brought to you by JME2
Image
User avatar
AdmiralKanos
Lex Animata
Lex Animata
Posts: 2648
Joined: 2002-07-02 11:36pm
Location: Toronto, Ontario

Post by AdmiralKanos »

When you know that an actor's father is a virulent anti-semitic Holocaust denier, this gives you an idea of the sort of indoctrination he received while growing up.

And when the actor is silent on his feelings about this, it certainly makes one wonder, doesn't it? Unless Mel Gibson has given a frank and clearly resounding repudiation of his father's beliefs, I am inclined to think that there are some skeletons in his closet.
For a time, I considered sparing your wretched little planet Cybertron.
But now, you shall witnesss ... its dismemberment!

Image
"This is what happens when you use trivia napkins for research material"- Sea Skimmer on "Pearl Harbour".
"Do you work out? Your hands are so strong! Especially the right one!"- spoken to Bud Bundy
Howedar
Emperor's Thumb
Posts: 12472
Joined: 2002-07-03 05:06pm
Location: St. Paul, MN

Post by Howedar »

He's got every right to make this movie. Big fucking deal. I may not agree with him, but that doesn't really matter.
Howedar is no longer here. Need to talk to him? Talk to Pick.
User avatar
Darth Wong
Sith Lord
Sith Lord
Posts: 70028
Joined: 2002-07-03 12:25am
Location: Toronto, Canada
Contact:

Post by Darth Wong »

Howedar wrote:He's got every right to make this movie. Big fucking deal. I may not agree with him, but that doesn't really matter.
And we have the right to suspect that something stinks in the House of Gibson.
Image
"It's not evil for God to do it. Or for someone to do it at God's command."- Jonathan Boyd on baby-killing

"you guys are fascinated with the use of those "rules of logic" to the extent that you don't really want to discussus anything."- GC

"I do not believe Russian Roulette is a stupid act" - Embracer of Darkness

"Viagra commercials appear to save lives" - tharkûn on US health care.

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Mike/RantMode/Blurbs.html
HemlockGrey
Fucking Awesome
Posts: 13834
Joined: 2002-07-04 03:21pm

Post by HemlockGrey »

And we have the right to suspect that something stinks in the House of Gibson.
How do we say that in Aramaic?
The End of Suburbia
"If more cars are inevitable, must there not be roads for them to run on?"
-Robert Moses

"The Wire" is the best show in the history of television. Watch it today.
User avatar
Stormbringer
King of Democracy
Posts: 22678
Joined: 2002-07-15 11:22pm

Post by Stormbringer »

Darth Wong wrote:
Howedar wrote:He's got every right to make this movie. Big fucking deal. I may not agree with him, but that doesn't really matter.
And we have the right to suspect that something stinks in the House of Gibson.
To a degree, yeah. Sounds like his father was a frindge group nut and Mel might have some residual issues.

And hey, if he is making a literal biblical movie then it's a no-brainer that the Jews will come off as the bad guys. That doesn't necessarily mean too much, except that Mel Gibson takes the bible a little too literally.
Image
User avatar
Coyote
Rabid Monkey
Posts: 12464
Joined: 2002-08-23 01:20am
Location: The glorious Sun-Barge! Isis, Isis, Ra,Ra,Ra!
Contact:

Post by Coyote »

HemlockGrey wrote:
And we have the right to suspect that something stinks in the House of Gibson.
How do we say that in Aramaic?
I can give you Hebrew: "Yesh ruach gadol b'bayit Gibson"

Which actually means "there is a big stink in house Gibson"....

This bodes ill; didn't he recently say that he was goong to pursue nothing but religious movies from now on?
Something about Libertarianism always bothered me. Then one day, I realized what it was:
Libertarian philosophy can be boiled down to the phrase, "Work Will Make You Free."


In Libertarianism, there is no Government, so the Bosses are free to exploit the Workers.
In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
So in Libertarianism, man exploits man, but in Communism, its the other way around!

If all you want to do is have some harmless, mindless fun, go H3RE INST3ADZ0RZ!!
Grrr! Fight my Brute, you pansy!
Post Reply