Tom Cruise seeking Federal backing for Scientologists.

Lonestar · Post by **Lonestar** » 2003-06-20 02:11pm

kojikun wrote:wicked, i believe chaplains are fully trained, are they not?

They are in the navy. ( Everyone takes part in damage control on ship)

Raoul Duke, Jr. · Post by **Raoul Duke, Jr.** » 2003-06-20 02:56pm

Kuroneko wrote:
kojikun wrote:I have a religion. Can I get some money???
Let me guess: your faith is the belief that witless sods will give you money without asking what your exactly your religion is?

Nah. You have to be a celebrity to get that kind of result. But give Koji and I a few days and I bet we can come up with a cultscam that people would put down their poisoned jello for.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-06-20 02:59pm

The Cult of Lothar.

Basically, you sit in a darkened room for eighteen hours a day, surrounded by incense. You are not allowed to eat meat, eggs, peanut butter, nor are you allowed to wear polyester, nylon, or cotton. Further, you are required to commit a considerable sum to the Cult each day.

However, you get free sex with all the members of the Cult whenever you want. Enjoy.

UltraViolence83 · Post by **UltraViolence83** » 2003-06-20 11:30pm

I'm sure that there isn't any objective reason for chaplains to be in the military. Wouldn't it be more effiecient to just find a normal officier who happens to be well-versed in several religions and make him a chaplain, while he continues with his average duties undeterred?

I think there's a shitload of religious people in the military, so unless they were put into the minority, you won't see chaplains disappearing very soon as they act as a counselor to them.

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-06-20 11:36pm

If what i heard about scientology is true then whoever join this cult is an idiot,the only one who have it good are the celebrity everyone else has to be a servant to the rich.

Raoul Duke, Jr. · Post by **Raoul Duke, Jr.** » 2003-06-20 11:48pm

UltraViolence83 wrote:I'm sure that there isn't any objective reason for chaplains to be in the military. Wouldn't it be more effiecient to just find a normal officier who happens to be well-versed in several religions and make him a chaplain, while he continues with his average duties undeterred?

But wouldn't serving as a multi-faith religious whatever be a distraction? That's the problem -- unless it can be shown that Chaplains serve at least a combat support role, their function is nonessential, and military resources could be better allocated.

I think there's a shitload of religious people in the military, so unless they were put into the minority, you won't see chaplains disappearing very soon as they act as a counselor to them.

Well, there you have something. Chaplains serve, at best, as a communal security blanket. A military where such a thing is unnecessary is preferable, but how that could be accomplished I have no idea.

UltraViolence83 · Post by **UltraViolence83** » 2003-06-20 11:55pm

Well, you could make it so that only athiests can have a government job....But I'm almost certain that would violate the Bill of Rights.

Lonestar · Post by **Lonestar** » 2003-06-21 12:19am

Raoul Duke, Jr. wrote:
Well, there you have something. Chaplains serve, at best, as a communal security blanket. A military where such a thing is unnecessary is preferable, but how that could be accomplished I have no idea.

Chaplains do more than that. The Guv'ment doesn't do that "We regret to inform you..." Horseshit anymore, Chaplains go. Chaplains run marriage conseling before folks get married. Chaplains have the bennie of being sorta-kinda "outside" of the chain of command, so they can make sure no one is being abused/harrased without worrying about retribution.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-06-21 12:22am

UltraViolence83 wrote:Well, you could make it so that only athiests can have a government job....But I'm almost certain that would violate the Bill of Rights.

You don't need to be an atheist in order to hold a secular job, but you do need to perform your job without injecting religion into it. No goddamned morning prayer meetings like the ones John Ashcroft has been performing in his Temple, er- office.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-06-21 12:35am

So. Anyone up for the Cult of Lothar?

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-06-21 02:14am

HemlockGrey wrote:So. Anyone up for the Cult of Lothar?

Hm, what if the ugly fat chicks want to have sex with me, do I have to agree?

UltraViolence83 · Post by **UltraViolence83** » 2003-06-21 02:21am

Darth Wong wrote:You don't need to be an atheist in order to hold a secular job, but you do need to perform your job without injecting religion into it. No goddamned morning prayer meetings like the ones John Ashcroft has been performing in his Temple, er- office.

He's seriously doing that? God lawd!

You heard about how he wasted my taxpayer money by covering up that statue in the Capitol, right? He also doesn't approve of kissing and dancing. I'm pretty sure that makes Herr Ashcroft a Puritan. Fucking asshole. Why, if it were up to me...GAKK!

*Dragged away by the Patriot Fun Squadron*

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2003-06-21 04:23am

I Still can hear the outcry in the USA when Germany was putting a bit more pressure on Scientology, and are still trying to take their state as a religion away from them...

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-06-21 09:16am

Dahak wrote:I Still can hear the outcry in the USA when Germany was putting a bit more pressure on Scientology, and are still trying to take their state as a religion away from them...

That was Klintler's regime, not Bush II's

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2003-06-21 12:39pm

kojikun wrote:wicked, i believe chaplains are fully trained, are they not?

I can't speak for the other services, but in the Air Force no. They go through an abridged OTS and receive a commission. They aren't actual line officers, they have no authority over anyone except other chaplains or enlisted member assigned to work in the chapel. Also, most religious services are not performed by chaplains. If you are a Muslim, the chances of you having a Muslim chaplain lead your group is slim to nil. A chaplain will schedule your group time in the chapel and assist you in say gathering necessary worship items, but your group will be lead by someone from the community, or a member a fellow Muslim servicemen. This also applies if you're a Wiccan, Buddist, Hindu, Mormon, and a lot of times even Catholic. As from this example, it is easy to see that the job of chaplain can easily be provided an officer or sargeant assigned morale duties.

Lonestar · Post by **Lonestar** » 2003-06-21 06:11pm

Darth Wong wrote: You don't need to be an atheist in order to hold a secular job, but you do need to perform your job without injecting religion into it. No goddamned morning prayer meetings like the ones John Ashcroft has been performing in his Temple, er- office.

[Superintendant Chamlers] That sounded like a Prayer! A prayer in a public school! God has no place within these walls!!! [/Chamlers]

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-06-21 06:57pm

Lonestar wrote:
Darth Wong wrote: You don't need to be an atheist in order to hold a secular job, but you do need to perform your job without injecting religion into it. No goddamned morning prayer meetings like the ones John Ashcroft has been performing in his Temple, er- office.
[Superintendant Chamlers] That sounded like a Prayer! A prayer in a public school! God has no place within these walls!!! [/Chamlers]

How could you forget "Just as facts have no place within religion"

Rubberanvil · Post by **Rubberanvil** » 2003-06-21 07:26pm

Wicked Pilot wrote:As from this example, it is easy to see that the job of chaplain can easily be provided an officer or sargeant assigned morale duties.

That won't work at all with the US Army, and the other Branches would have to re-train the replacement personnal.

US Army requirements

http://chaplain.goarmy.com/chapl101/chapl02.htm

I haven't had much luck finding the requirements for Air Force, Navy, Marines, and Coast Guard Chaplains.

Rhadamanthus · Post by **Rhadamanthus** » 2003-06-22 05:58pm

Hmmm, I'm kind of curious if the Army would accept a Kemetic, or Asatru, or Druid chaplain