USN vs the rest of the Worlds Navies combined.

BlkbrryTheGreat · Post by **BlkbrryTheGreat** » 2003-06-21 10:08pm

The USN vs the rest of the Navies in the entire world.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-06-21 10:10pm

Need more info. Where is this taking place? Are nukes allowed?

Arrow · Post by **Arrow** » 2003-06-21 10:27pm

I think the USN takes it. The only real problem would be the British navy and possibly the Chinese. Now if this was set twenty years ago, the Russian navy would pose a very serious threat.

But keep in mind that I'm biased on this one!

BlkbrryTheGreat · Post by **BlkbrryTheGreat** » 2003-06-21 10:29pm

Lets make it in the Central Pacific, near Hawaii. Conventional weapons only. The job of the rest of the world's Navies (excluding Mexico and Canada) is to sink the USN and then secure Oahu as a stepping stone for invading the West Coast...... because Mexico and Canada decided (wisely) to remain neutral.

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-06-21 10:31pm

All of the world navies against the USN,the USN will lose unless they use nuke.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-06-21 10:48pm

USN wins, this thread has been done before anyway and belongs in off topic, reality is not sci fi.

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-06-21 10:50pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:USN wins, this thread has been done before anyway and belongs in off topic, reality is not sci fi.

Since you`re convince the USN win then it belong in sci-fi.

BlkbrryTheGreat · Post by **BlkbrryTheGreat** » 2003-06-21 10:54pm

There is no generic "fiction" thread; this is as good a place as any to have it.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-06-21 11:00pm

Montcalm wrote: Since you`re convince the USN win then it belong in sci-fi.

Look a moron.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-06-21 11:02pm

BlkbrryTheGreat wrote:There is no generic "fiction" thread; this is as good a place as any to have it.

Actually off topic makes infinitely more sense since it is anything goes while other sci fi is for discussing "other sci-fi series besides SW/ST"

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-06-21 11:03pm

And with Skimmer...we are talking about reality regardless of personal bias here.

Off to OT you go.

Post by **RogueIce** » 2003-06-21 11:07pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:USN wins, this thread has been done before anyway and belongs in off topic, reality is not sci fi.

Can you point me to that thread? It'd be interesting to see what arguments were brought up on both sides. Since it seems nobody's going to do it in this one...

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-06-21 11:12pm

RogueIce wrote:
Sea Skimmer wrote:USN wins, this thread has been done before anyway and belongs in off topic, reality is not sci fi.
Can you point me to that thread? It'd be interesting to see what arguments were brought up on both sides. Since it seems nobody's going to do it in this one...

A search should bring it up, but you'd probably need to look in the search forum. Basically the USN stand keep away from the worlds SSK fleet by staying out to sea, its own nuke boats provide ample protection and on the surface 90% of the world warships could be sunk by a single F/A-18 sortie. In this scenario many of the OPFOR warships would run out of fuel before they even reached the battlefield to die under thousands of Harpoons and SLAM's.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-06-21 11:21pm

At what range is the battle joined, Blkbrry?

BlkbrryTheGreat · Post by **BlkbrryTheGreat** » 2003-06-22 12:14am

Howedar wrote:At what range is the battle joined, Blkbrry?

Probably at whatever range the US Navy decides to start sending out aircraft sorties.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-06-22 12:23am

The USN wins this rather easily. While the rest of the world seriously outnumbers the USN, they do not have the proper combined tactical capabilities and data-link sharing networks to actualy win this. The most serious threat to the USN will actualy come from the Japanesse and British forces because they field the best anti-air forces. The USN will be able to use its submarine force to gut the enemies rather quickly. SSKs can be dealt with by simply remaining at high speeds. The enemy airforces don't stand a chance against a single CVN let alone 12 of them and 9 LHA/LHDs.

If the rest of the world could even get in range to fire some of their weapon systems, they would go down hard. The USN can launch a massive ammount of defensive weapons with their SM-2s and the AEGIS system.

The USN wins for the simple reason that it can work as a collective force while the C&C capabilities of the rest of the world is woefully inadequate and they will be quickly picked off. Nations like China and Russia aren't even a threat. The nations that will put up the best fight would be the RN and the Japanesse.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-06-22 12:26am

Actually Russia SSNG's are the only really significant threat. But then there also exactly what the USN is equipped and trained to fight.

Omega-13 · Post by **Omega-13** » 2003-06-22 04:49am

I've never ever ever, seen such a CNN presents or TLC extreme machines, influenced thread!
give me a break!

AMERICA BEATS EVERYONE, lol

There is a REASON everyone believes american equiptment is 50% better than everyone else's,
CNN,
TLC

Get the idea? We saw what 25 dollar RPG's did to those m1a2 and m1a1's, did they crack the armour? no
did they make them useless in the battle field? yes

American forces don't have force fields and 100% accuracy like everyone likes to think, just take a look at the dozens of Bradley's that were torn apart like tin cans.

Except now you got a handful of american aircraft carriers (without those, they have no chance) that will be the primarly target for every single surface and submerged ship in the world.

There are probably more ships out there that could take out a Nimitz than there are defensive missles and offensive harpoons that could defend against them.
This is so rediculous
This reminds me of the America vs the world thread,

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-06-22 04:53am

Omega-13 wrote:I've never ever ever, seen such a CNN presents or TLC extreme machines, influenced thread!
give me a break!

You're a fucking idiot, I'm surprised I didn't notice sooner.

Omega-13 · Post by **Omega-13** » 2003-06-22 04:57am

Sea Skimmer wrote:
Omega-13 wrote:I've never ever ever, seen such a CNN presents or TLC extreme machines, influenced thread!
give me a break!
You're a fucking idiot, I'm surprised I didn't notice sooner.

Keep swallowing all the CNN presents bullshit
A carrier at sea...turns into a carrier at war,
i watched that rediculous documentary,
you don't hear shit about other navy's capabilities in america, because they don't ever play them,

next thing you know, you and Alysky will be saying that a Nimitz could take on 50 Akula's...

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-06-22 05:03am

Omega-13 wrote: Keep swallowing all the CNN presents bullshit
A carrier at sea...turns into a carrier at war,
i watched that rediculous documentary,
you don't hear shit about other navy's capabilities in america, because they don't ever play them,

More on the lines of no one has more then a fraction of the capability. 90% of the worlds warships would require a single sortie to sink, only about eight could hope to repel a squadron level attack. The USN has more active nuclear submarines then every other fleet combine and then some and SSK's are fodder on the high seas.

So why don't you do us all a favor and shut the hell up.
.

Omega-13 · Post by **Omega-13** » 2003-06-22 05:10am

Sea Skimmer wrote: More on the lines of no one has more then a fraction of the capability.

sure easy to say if you live in a bubble
You think other radar screens explode when the USN sends out its jammer aircraft? I could ramble off names of fighter jets, patrol jets I could list the seriel numbers, but anyone can name off a bunch of names, to hope to look half intelligent.

90% of the worlds warships would require a single sortie to sink, only about eight could hope to repel a squadron level attack.

where the hell are you getting these figures? puff out of thin air?
Quoting something the Pentagon said to the public? hah
Thats why congress was shitting their pants when they first heard of the Sunburn.

SSK's are fodder on the high seas.

of course they are, infact I heard their crews were so incompetent, that they ran into Moby Dick.

Sorry for speaking from outside the American bubble of ignorance

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-06-22 05:21am

Arrow Mk84 wrote:I think the USN takes it. The only real problem would be the British navy and possibly the Chinese. Now if this was set twenty years ago, the Russian navy would pose a very serious threat.

But keep in mind that I'm biased on this one!

The Russian Navy can sink the entire Chinese Navy incredibly easily- all it would take would be the Pacific Fleet's 949A Oscar II SSGNs, guarded by Akula SSNs. The surface combatants need not get involved.

JodoForce · Post by **JodoForce** » 2003-06-22 05:36am

Sea Skimmer wrote:
More on the lines of no one has more then a fraction of the capability. 90% of the worlds warships would require a single sortie to sink, only about eight could hope to repel a squadron level attack. The USN has more active nuclear submarines then every other fleet combine and then some and SSK's are fodder on the high seas.

So what about the other navies launching their own sorties and defense patrols?

Thats why congress was shitting their pants when they first heard of the Sunburn.

I don't know which side to take in this debate yet since I don't have enough information, but are you serious about using the Congress Shit-o-Meter to gauge combat threat of a weapon? They shat their pants at the MiG 25 and 31 too, turned out to be no big deal.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-06-22 05:45am

JodoForce wrote: I don't know which side to take in this debate yet since I don't have enough information, but are you serious about using the Congress Shit-o-Meter to gauge combat threat of a weapon?

The Moskit (SS-N-22 SUNBURN) does have impressive abilities- but it's range (250km) does not make it a credible offensive threat against an entire US carrier battlegroup without being supported by a host of other units, as in any naval engagement. If a US surface ship closes the distance to use Harpoons on it, then it's a threat.

They shat their pants at the MiG 25 and 31 too, turned out to be no big deal.

It was the military who shit their pants over the MiG-25. It's actually a pretty cool interceptor- it's not Mikoyan-Gurevich's fault that they got it's role wrong. They didn't shit their pants over the MiG-31, but the MiG-31 is an extremely effective interceptor for protecting the Motherland. It is capable of intercepting both bombers and low-flying cruise missiles, and it's radar is absurdly powerful