Endor's moon...

Emperor Palpatine · Post by **Emperor Palpatine** » 2003-06-22 12:02pm

I was wondering (as well as others, I believe.): Why wasn't the Endor moon affected by the explosion of the DS2?

Any explanation for this?

Palpatine

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-06-22 12:50pm

Rebel fleet intercepted the debris.

Or it was laid to waste by it and we just don't see it.

Take your pick

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2003-06-22 01:18pm

http://www.theforce.net/swtc/holocaust.html

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-06-22 03:15pm

Just out of curisoity, how big were the chuncks of debris we see flying away from the explosion. It just seems to me that an explosion of the magintude would vaporize most of the DS2. Hypermatter is more potent than antimatter and that stuff has be know to blow up whole asteroids using one gram.

Drooling Iguana · Post by **Drooling Iguana** » 2003-06-22 04:29pm

Maybe Endor has a planetary shield that's seperate from the projected Death Star shield.

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-06-22 04:42pm

Drooling Iguana wrote:Maybe Endor has a planetary shield that's seperate from the projected Death Star shield.

No, it didn't. It would have been destroyed when the Rebels blew up the base.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-06-22 04:53pm

Drooling Iguana wrote:Maybe Endor has a planetary shield that's seperate from the projected Death Star shield.

Ugh, not that junk again...

Drooling Iguana · Post by **Drooling Iguana** » 2003-06-22 05:48pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:
Drooling Iguana wrote:Maybe Endor has a planetary shield that's seperate from the projected Death Star shield.
Ugh, not that junk again... :roll:

"Again?" Sorry, this is the first time I've seen the issue of a second shield protecting Endor discussed. How did previous discussions like this turn out?

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-06-22 05:50pm

Saxton's theory on the Endor Holocaust is pretty much how one group people generally believed what the DS2 explosion did to the Ewok's home.

The second group believe the Rebel Fleet intercepted and destroyed any major chunks of the DS2 and saved Endor.

Both sides have their thoughts and proof and really no one true answer came about that both agreed upon.

Drooling Iguana · Post by **Drooling Iguana** » 2003-06-22 06:04pm

What does the EU say?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-06-22 06:08pm

Some say yes, some say no.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2003-06-22 07:54pm

Drooling Iguana wrote:What does the EU say?

The EU says Endor is still ok, in the Thrawn trillogy and in the Jedi Academy trilogy, people go to Endor and its still vibrant and alive.

In The Truce at Bakura, immediately after the explosion there's still life there.

Heck, the movies show the planet is fine because 12 hours after the death star blowing up, they're having a party under a clear sky, not dodging debris.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-06-22 07:59pm

Actually EU is indecisive.

In the Thrawn Thrilogy...it's green(which Saxton covered), but Leia never LANDED on it.

Truce...this was the immediate aftermath, thus no change would be evident.

In Jedi academy....unknown given that if Palp could create a dark side nexus so could Anakin's soul and the description is vague and indeterminate. Literally it's trying to trust a crazed loons idea of what color the sky is.

Seriously I have little to say because Saxton's does cover most of the material I would think upon.

Literally the EU has yet to say yeah or nay(Tales does not count since they are within the Infinites label of EU)

So is Endor a dead world?...one day we may have a true final answer.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2003-06-22 08:24pm

If the disaster was as immediate as Saxton says, the end of ROTJ and Truce would have provided us with a rather apocalyptic Endor, with flaming debris falling down on the victory celebration.

I mean, the Death Star was less than 100,000 miles from the planet, and the debris thrown of by the explosion would have been traveling hundreds of kps, so the deadly rain would have started falling.

That alone makes the Endor Holocaust seem implausible to me. Regardless of the EU.

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2003-06-22 08:31pm

I mean, the Death Star was less than 100,000 miles from the planet

It was only a couple thousand miles from the planet.

We don't know what prevented the so-called "Endor Holocaust". All we DO know is that it didn't happen. The mechanism is irrelevent in light of the knowledge that SOME mechanism existed.

My opinion? Don't really have one. However, in all the times this debate has come up, none of the pro-Endor holocaust people have been able to explain just why the Rebel fleet moved between the Death Star and the moon...

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-06-22 08:31pm

CaptainChewbacca wrote:If the disaster was as immediate as Saxton says, the end of ROTJ and Truce would have provided us with a rather apocalyptic Endor, with flaming debris falling down on the victory celebration.

I mean, the Death Star was less than 100,000 miles from the planet, and the debris thrown of by the explosion would have been traveling hundreds of kps, so the deadly rain would have started falling.

That alone makes the Endor Holocaust seem implausible to me. Regardless of the EU.

Debris could have been thrown into a closer orbit which degraded, while the Rebel ships only shot down the stuff that would kill Rebels.

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2003-06-22 08:43pm

CaptainChewbacca wrote:Death Star was less than 100,000 miles from the planet, and the debris thrown of by the explosion would have been traveling hundreds of kps, so the deadly rain would have started falling.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-06-22 08:44pm

Didn't an X-Wing book (Wedge's Gamble IIRC) mention Ewoks being extinct?

Kazuaki Shimazaki · Post by **Kazuaki Shimazaki** » 2003-06-22 08:55pm

SPOOFE wrote:My opinion? Don't really have one. However, in all the times this debate has come up, none of the pro-Endor holocaust people have been able to explain just why the Rebel fleet moved between the Death Star and the moon...

Well, I can buy that the Rebel Alliance would attempt to preserve the planet, or at least as big a chunk of it as possible for a short time. But an attempt doesn't mean capability.

It apparently depends on how the debris falls and all. If it has blown up to smaller pieces, at least we wouldn't see them fall through the atmosphere. Just that the sky would start darkening up from all the dust in the atmosphere.

Given the difficulty of actually preventing the Holocaust, IMHO a mere statement that it was somehow preserved doesn't quite cut the mustard. They'd need a clear mechanism, or canon versus official would just roll it over.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-06-22 09:30pm

Essential Guide to Aliens has Endor alive and well years after the battle.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-06-23 12:17am

It is an in-universe New Republic historical document. It'd be subject to New Republic cover-ups and/or no one said that it isn't possible that the Endor holocaust was at least not as extensive as Saxton believes (massive impactors destroyed; debris cloud limited to long-term fallout) and the New Republic later cleaned-up the world.

The Essential Guide to Alien Species is no proof against the Endor holocaust theory.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-06-23 12:46am

Illuminatus Primus wrote:It is an in-universe New Republic historical document. It'd be subject to New Republic cover-ups and/or no one said

Watch everybody, as once again IP bullshits so that he cna continue to treat his assumptions and believes as fact!

1) It is supposseldy an independently published scientific documjetn, not NR propaganda
2) You have ZERO evidence that the NR spin doctors anything, much less this book

that it isn't possible that the Endor holocaust was at least not as extensive as Saxton believes (massive impactors destroyed; debris cloud limited to long-term fallout) and the New Republic later cleaned-up the world.

The Essential Guide to Alien Species is no proof against the Endor holocaust theory.

No, it just had all of Endor alive and well and you can't present anything against it except your usual bullshit.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-06-23 01:00am

Ender wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:It is an in-universe New Republic historical document. It'd be subject to New Republic cover-ups and/or no one said
Watch everybody, as once again IP bullshits so that he cna continue to treat his assumptions and believes as fact!

1) It is supposseldy an independently published scientific documjetn, not NR propaganda
2) You have ZERO evidence that the NR spin doctors anything, much less this book

? I was pointing out that it wasn't like this was anything new. Saxton's theory already assumes that in order to abide by what he considers physical necessity of Endor's destruction, that Wedge and the Rogues were lied to and the NR was covering-up Endor's destruction.

It isn't as if this would be something new, is the point. The fact that the Endor holocaust did not happen is indesputable fact without drastically altering the intended meanings of several EU sources.

The "New Republic censors" assumption was part of the initial assumptions in the theory before EGTAS, anyway. My point was that it doesn't present anything that isn't already (attempted to be) explained by the theory.

Ender wrote:No, it just had all of Endor alive and well and you can't present anything against it except your usual bullshit.

The Essential Guide to Alien Species, page 37 wrote:While Imperial propoganda depicted them as being wiped out after the Battle of Endor, the species lives on in its wooded home, a lush environment alive with thick vegetation and myriad forms of wildlife.

All they say is that the Ewoks are alive on Endor. This doesn't disprove the Endor Holocaust because the planet could've been restored after the initial mass-extinction.

I'm just pointing out the description does not explicitly rule out the possibility of a mass-extinction.

And you know what? Fuck you. It is better than you constantly bringing up total bullshit about the Rebel fleet vaping the debris--from a Tales story (Apocalypse Endor), which is totally apocryphal. Not to mention even if you vaporize ALL of the station, it will still vaporize and then freeze into dust that will still fall into Endor (unless you'd like to explain that SW weapons violate conservation of mass/energy). At least the Endor holocaust is the logical result of what is observed in the canon.

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2003-06-23 03:35am

It is better than you constantly bringing up total bullshit about the Rebel fleet vaping the debris

Actually, it is not, because that theory has evidence and standing in official literature. "Official" may not be canon, but it's a helluva lot higher on the ladder than "fan speculation".

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2003-06-23 03:56am

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:Didn't an X-Wing book (Wedge's Gamble IIRC) mention Ewoks being extinct?

In the Imperial museum, Corran noted that Ewoks were incorrectly labeled as "extinct".

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