War Nebula?

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-06-22 12:54pm

We know that the GCS got a number of upgrades making it more combat capable for the Dominion war. Did it's sister type the Nebula get any upgrades as well? TO me it would only make sense, even if all it got were better phasers and swapped out the photons for quantums.

Kerneth · Post by **Kerneth** » 2003-06-22 01:15pm

Isn't the Nebula primarily a science vessel? I doubt that upgrading the purely science ships to warship status is a high priority; Starfleet would do better to produce warships to serve alongside the Novas and Nebulas as 'gunslingers', I should think.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-06-22 01:52pm

Kerneth wrote:Isn't the Nebula primarily a science vessel? I doubt that upgrading the purely science ships to warship status is a high priority; Starfleet would do better to produce warships to serve alongside the Novas and Nebulas as 'gunslingers', I should think.

The Nebula is not a science ship. It is the smaller and more capable cousin to the Galaxy class. Rather then try and contain everything within the hull, the Nebula has a mission pod along with a variable use saucer. Combining the Galaxy power core along with a smaller profile for the Nebula actualy gives it superior shielding.

Anyway, yes there was indeed a War Nebula. This particular model is most obviously noted with the USS Farragut. Besides the two standard forward torpedo launchers, it had an additional 8 in the mission pod. This variant is more commonly known as the War Pod Nebula. The other primary important variant is the Sensor pod version which probably serves both as AWACS and anti-cloak platforms.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-06-22 02:02pm

Yes, but that was the version shown in The Wounded. I was wondering if it recieved anything more when the war started up.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-06-22 02:55pm

Ender wrote:Yes, but that was the version shown in The Wounded. I was wondering if it recieved anything more when the war started up.

Maxwell was commanding the sensor pod version.

Posbi · Post by **Posbi** » 2003-06-22 06:27pm

And he did fairly well with it. I don't even want to imagine the havoc he'd be able to create behind the Cardassian lines with a war pod version...

CaptJodan · Post by **CaptJodan** » 2003-06-22 11:56pm

I've always considered the Nebula to be a pretty badass ship, espeically if the torpedo pod is on the top. It'd be interesting to see War Galaxy and War Nebula go at it....see who'd win it. Difficult call, in my opinion. Probably a bit more practical as a ship too...nearly if not more combat capability than the galaxy, with less mass and cost. (probably slightly more maneuverable as well)

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-06-23 12:03am

CaptJodan wrote:I've always considered the Nebula to be a pretty badass ship, espeically if the torpedo pod is on the top. It'd be interesting to see War Galaxy and War Nebula go at it....see who'd win it. Difficult call, in my opinion. Probably a bit more practical as a ship too...nearly if not more combat capability than the galaxy, with less mass and cost. (probably slightly more maneuverable as well)

War GCS would stomp the shit out of it. But then I think the War GCS has superior firepower to the Galaxy-X.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-06-23 01:50am

I'd like to know where the torpedo tubes are on the 'science/sensor pod version'.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-06-23 02:14am

Ender wrote:
CaptJodan wrote:I've always considered the Nebula to be a pretty badass ship, espeically if the torpedo pod is on the top. It'd be interesting to see War Galaxy and War Nebula go at it....see who'd win it. Difficult call, in my opinion. Probably a bit more practical as a ship too...nearly if not more combat capability than the galaxy, with less mass and cost. (probably slightly more maneuverable as well)
War GCS would stomp the shit out of it. But then I think the War GCS has superior firepower to the Galaxy-X.

Incorrect on both counts.

One, a War NCS has a tremendous firepower advantage with more then 4 times the forward torpedo capacity of a War GCS. Secondly the NCS has better sheilding.

Next, a Galaxy-X stomps the shit out of a War GCS.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-06-23 02:15am

Vympel wrote:I'd like to know where the torpedo tubes are on the 'science/sensor pod version'.

A single tube. Between the saucer and the engineering section.

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/scans ... ragut1.jpg

Post by **Gandalf** » 2003-06-23 02:16am

Galaxy- X?

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-06-23 02:17am

Gandalf wrote:Galaxy- X?

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/scans ... prise1.jpg
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/scans ... prise2.jpg

Embracer Of Darkness · Post by **Embracer Of Darkness** » 2003-06-23 05:51am

Mmmm, Galaxy-X.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-06-23 06:29am

Scabbing items onto the hull ownz j00.

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2003-06-23 06:36am

Alyeska wrote:http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/scans ... prise1.jpg
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/scans ... prise2.jpg

Anyone notice how it sort of looks like they welded a giant phaser rifle to the bottom of the saucer section?

Drach · Post by **Drach** » 2003-06-23 06:52am

The thing on the bottom of the saucer on the Galaxy - X is a massive phaser cannon pretty much, it was shown to blast straight through what looked like a Vorcha class Klingon ship

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-06-23 10:59am

Drach wrote:The thing on the bottom of the saucer on the Galaxy - X is a massive phaser cannon pretty much, it was shown to blast straight through what looked like a Vorcha class Klingon ship

Incorrect. That is a Negh'Var variant.

http://www.ditl.org/gpns/GNeghKaboom2.jpg

This is a vorcha
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/scans ... eauty1.jpg

This is a Negh'Var (specificaly the Voodieh variant from the episode with the Galaxy-X)
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/scans ... beauty.jpg

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2003-06-23 11:34am

I hadn't noticed before but the Galaxy X also appears to thicken the the back portion of the neck of the engineering hull.

Death from the Sea · Post by **Death from the Sea** » 2003-06-23 11:41am

Alyeska wrote:http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/scans ... prise2.jpg

Tsyroc wrote:I hadn't noticed before but the Galaxy X also appears to thicken the the back portion of the neck of the engineering hull.

It would appear they added on more impulse engines and are not using the orginal impusle engines on the saucer section. Plus the covered up the old impulse engine on the the engineering hull.

CaptJodan · Post by **CaptJodan** » 2003-06-23 01:00pm

Alyeska wrote:Incorrect on both counts.

One, a War NCS has a tremendous firepower advantage with more then 4 times the forward torpedo capacity of a War GCS. Secondly the NCS has better sheilding.

Next, a Galaxy-X stomps the shit out of a War GCS.

I tend to agree with both of these statements, most especially the latter. However, in order for it to be fully true, I would think that the pod would have to be carrying the burst fire, not the single fire torp tubes. Alyeska, is there any evidence to suggest that the NCS (with war pod) has the burst fire, aka large spread of torpedoes rather than the older ones?

Incidentally, I know it's fanfic, of a sort, but the link below has what I believe to be at least an adaquate representation of a Nebula's combat capability with the vid shown. Naturally, it's subject to interpretation, but it at least gives one some idea, especially since we rarely, if ever see any of the Nebula's firing with it's war pod. (correct me if I'm wrong, they still won't show DS9 anywhere around here)

http://www.b5tech.net/movies/domnwar1.asf

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-06-23 01:49pm

CaptJodan wrote:
Alyeska wrote:Incorrect on both counts.

One, a War NCS has a tremendous firepower advantage with more then 4 times the forward torpedo capacity of a War GCS. Secondly the NCS has better sheilding.

Next, a Galaxy-X stomps the shit out of a War GCS.

I tend to agree with both of these statements, most especially the latter. However, in order for it to be fully true, I would think that the pod would have to be carrying the burst fire, not the single fire torp tubes. Alyeska, is there any evidence to suggest that the NCS (with war pod) has the burst fire, aka large spread of torpedoes rather than the older ones?

Incidentally, I know it's fanfic, of a sort, but the link below has what I believe to be at least an adaquate representation of a Nebula's combat capability with the vid shown. Naturally, it's subject to interpretation, but it at least gives one some idea, especially since we rarely, if ever see any of the Nebula's firing with it's war pod. (correct me if I'm wrong, they still won't show DS9 anywhere around here)

http://www.b5tech.net/movies/domnwar1.asf

The Nebula has two Burst Fire (like the Galaxy class) facing forward as well as 8 single fire launchers. Each of the 8 launchers resembles the Miranda type and those can fire at a rate of one torpedo every 2 seconds. With 8 launchers thats an 8 torpedo volley followed up by another 8 torpedo volley in 2 seconds. The burst fire launchers can maintain a fire rate of 1 torpedo every .66 seconds sustained. That means in 10 seconds a Nebula can fire 66 torpedoes. The Galaxy can only fire 13 torpedoes in that same time span.

And yes, I believe that fanfilm is a fair representation as to the single fire launchers in the warpod. I also believe that it shows how effective Trek phasers could be if the VFX artists and writers got a brain.

Death from the Sea · Post by **Death from the Sea** » 2003-06-24 12:37pm

That was a neat little fan film. I would like to see a galaxy class ship come in phasers ablazin' like that nebula did.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-06-24 01:02pm

I just realized I made a mistake on the Burst Fire launchers.

A Burst Fire from a Galaxy can fire up to 6 torpedoes at once (canon). So in the first volley 6 torpedoes are fired, then a sustained fire rate is used. That means rather then just 13 torpedoes in ten seconds from a Burst Fire, you can get up to 19 torpedoes.

That changes the Nebula from 66 to 78 and the Galaxy to 19.

So a War-Pod Nebula can fire up to 78 torpedoes in its forward arc.

Now, you want to hear something really scary? The Akira class has rapid fire launchers like the Sovereign. They can fire three in rapid sucession, then reload in 3 seconds and fire another 3. An Akira can manage a total of 3 such volleys in a span of 9 seconds.

Lets see... 11 forward facing launchers, first volley 33 torpedoes. Second volley, 66 torpedoes. Third volley, 99 torpedoes...

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2003-06-24 01:38pm

Incidentally, I know it's fanfic, of a sort, but the link below has what I believe to be at least an adaquate representation of a Nebula's combat capability with the vid shown. Naturally, it's subject to interpretation, but it at least gives one some idea, especially since we rarely, if ever see any of the Nebula's firing with it's war pod. (correct me if I'm wrong, they still won't show DS9 anywhere around here)

Wow, the Nebula (according to the fanfic) has about a 50% hit rate with its torpedos. The whole first volley missed, and worse than that, every torpedo followed the same track. I can see the front couple missing, but god damn, haven't the tactical officers on that ship ever heard of 'bracketing'?

Also, I like how we see every single phaser strip on the front quarter (weather or not it can actualy shoot in the direction shown) fire at once. With very few exceptions (mostly at a cost of intensity of the beam and therefore lack of hitting power) we usualy don't see multiple phaser fire from various strips, let alone just about everything including the phaser strip on the kitchen sink.

Any way, it was a nicely made short and the models are real nice.