Yoda vs The Hulk

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-06-23 07:37pm

I see...so going to movie...so is it movie Hulk or Canon Hulk

...or do you just merge them just because you can't find something substantional in Hulk comics?

Because the parameters have yet been set...so we picked his strongest yet mentally weakest form.

Darth_Shinji · Post by **Darth_Shinji** » 2003-06-23 07:38pm

Ghost Rider wrote:
Then go check out Revenge of the Sinister Six in Spider-Man(not spectacular, not amazing) and looky Hulk suspended by Doc Ock.

Eric Larson is the writer/penciller/inker...this was his last story arc.

Call it what you will...it happened.

So you were saying?

Then post it. I gave you mine..... And the aboved happened too, how in the hell is Doc Ork going to suspend hulks arms in place at the first place?

Darth_Shinji · Post by **Darth_Shinji** » 2003-06-23 07:42pm

Ghost Rider wrote:I see...so going to movie...so is it movie Hulk or Canon Hulk

...or do you just merge them just because you can't find something substantional in Hulk comics?

Because the parameters have yet been set...so we picked his strongest yet mentally weakest form.

I've held them as two different fights the entire time. As I've said.... And you didn't differeant either when it suited your purposes.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-06-23 07:49pm

Let's see part two...he places the Hulk with his two arms in the air...gloats and then

beats Hulk with the other two.

Spiderman #19

Feb 1992

Written, Pencilled, Inked: Erik Larson

Should be about page 20-21 where he does it....final panel he suspends Hulk...no pictures on Web...I have no scanner.

But if you want to...there you go down to detail of where to look for it.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-06-23 07:49pm

Darth_Shinji wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote:I see...so going to movie...so is it movie Hulk or Canon Hulk

...or do you just merge them just because you can't find something substantional in Hulk comics?

Because the parameters have yet been set...so we picked his strongest yet mentally weakest form.
I've held them as two different fights the entire time. As I've said.... And you didn't differeant either when it suited your purposes.

Ah so you merged them...since I asked for Hulk of canon since he though movie and comic Hulk were one and the same.

Dillon · Post by **Dillon** » 2003-06-23 07:50pm

Darth_Shinji wrote:3 entries found for strong-minded.
strong-mind·ed (strôngmndd)
adj.
Having a determined will.
Having a vigorous, independent mind.

Snip irrelevant drivel

The Hulk acts like nothing more than a 6 year old having a tantrum. The only reason he's dangerous is because he's super strong.

Are you suggesting a six year old having a tantrum is too strong-minded for Yoda to mind control?

Darth_Shinji · Post by **Darth_Shinji** » 2003-06-23 08:00pm

observer_20000 wrote:
Darth_Shinji wrote:3 entries found for strong-minded.
strong-mind·ed (strôngmndd)
adj.
Having a determined will.
Having a vigorous, independent mind.

Snip irrelevant drivel
The Hulk acts like nothing more than a 6 year old having a tantrum. The only reason he's dangerous is because he's super strong.

Are you suggesting a six year old having a tantrum is too strong-minded for Yoda to mind control?

He acts nothing more, but he has detremination that a 6th grader has, usally saving betty and smashing his oppenent. Also as I've pointed out Banner can subcously take control of the hulk like he did at the end of the movie. And I can easly prove Banner is strong minded. Even easier if your going by that kinda false defination.... Are you saying all smart people are strong willed?

Darth_Shinji · Post by **Darth_Shinji** » 2003-06-23 08:03pm

that a child does not have, excuss me.

Dillon · Post by **Dillon** » 2003-06-23 08:05pm

Darth_Shinji wrote:
observer_20000 wrote:
Darth_Shinji wrote:3 entries found for strong-minded.
strong-mind·ed (strôngmndd)
adj.
Having a determined will.
Having a vigorous, independent mind.

Snip irrelevant drivel
The Hulk acts like nothing more than a 6 year old having a tantrum. The only reason he's dangerous is because he's super strong.

Are you suggesting a six year old having a tantrum is too strong-minded for Yoda to mind control?
He acts nothing more, but he has detremination that a 6th grader has, usally saving betty and smashing his oppenent. Also as I've pointed out Banner can subcously take control of the hulk like he did at the end of the movie. And I can easly prove Banner is strong minded. Even easier if your going by that kinda false defination.... Are you saying all smart people are strong willed?

He saves someone he loves, big deal, most six year olds also would not hurt someone they hold dear.

As for your other claim, Banner obviously can't control the Hulk's body whenever he wants. If he did, why wouldn't he stop the Hulk from rampaging around destroying everything?

Darth_Shinji · Post by **Darth_Shinji** » 2003-06-23 08:12pm

observer_20000 wrote:
Darth_Shinji wrote:
observer_20000 wrote: The Hulk acts like nothing more than a 6 year old having a tantrum. The only reason he's dangerous is because he's super strong.

Are you suggesting a six year old having a tantrum is too strong-minded for Yoda to mind control?
He acts nothing more, but he has detremination that a 6th grader has, usally saving betty and smashing his oppenent. Also as I've pointed out Banner can subcously take control of the hulk like he did at the end of the movie. And I can easly prove Banner is strong minded. Even easier if your going by that kinda false defination.... Are you saying all smart people are strong willed?
He saves someone he loves, big deal, most six year olds also would not hurt someone they hold dear.

As for your other claim, Banner obviously can't control the Hulk's body whenever he wants. If he did, why wouldn't he stop the Hulk from rampaging around destroying everything?

But he can when there both in danger of something Hulk can not beat by himself (the final battle) they even showed it in the movie. "You want it? Take it!"

Dillon · Post by **Dillon** » 2003-06-23 09:12pm

Darth_Shinji wrote:he can when there both in danger of something Hulk can not beat by himself (the final battle) they even showed it in the movie. "You want it? Take it!"

Why do you assume that Banner's mind is strong enough to withstand telepathy?

Darth_Shinji · Post by **Darth_Shinji** » 2003-06-23 09:40pm

observer_20000 wrote:
Darth_Shinji wrote:he can when there both in danger of something Hulk can not beat by himself (the final battle) they even showed it in the movie. "You want it? Take it!"
Why do you assume that Banner's mind is strong enough to withstand telepathy?

Becuase the whole deal with Jedi telapathy is that it can only work on the "weak-minded". And stopping the transformation while being electructed beaten into subconsionce is a sign of a strong will/mind.

And Ghostrider...how is Doc Ock holding the Hulk in the air? One hand holding each holding an arm? What? I really want to know how leverage is going to come into this.

Omega-13 · Post by **Omega-13** » 2003-06-23 11:47pm

ARg! I got home just now from Work,
MOVIE HULK VS MOVIE YODA

marvel is less consistant than startrek (how sad)

so MOVIE hulk,

As for ghost riders claims of holding hulk in the air, sure he lifts him off the ground, but are you suggesting he can actually hold his hands together? or still?

Hulk climbed out of thousands of tons of earth and rocks when they collapsed onto him. He bent the gun of a 120mm gun directly backwards so it faced the fucking turret, lol

You think TK that can munipulate 15 ton objects is going to stop him?

SPOILERS!

That will make him more mad, so he will grow, (we seem him physically grow, he crunches and crinkles with more muscle) infact a gamma dog was biting his Trapazoid muscle, and he grew more, and the gamma dog broke its jaw, ,because it coudln't stretch enough.

Yoda is going to have to remain calm and still just to hold him OFF the ground

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-06-24 12:03am

Comic Hulk is actually not the Savage varient we know. He's currently the Proessor varient, meaning he has the intellegence of Bruce Banner and the strength of Hulk.

As for breaking Hulk's neck or crushing his windpipe, Hulk has gotten burned down to the skeletal level, and regenerated that. It's going to take a lot more than a broken neck.

As for mind control, that's Yoda's best bet. Calm Hulk down, and he becomes less dangerous (though he no longer transforms into Banner.) He needs to be careful not to bring out Guilt Hulk or Devil Hulk though.

Movie Hulk is kind of screwed.

Omega-13 · Post by **Omega-13** » 2003-06-24 12:05am

Ghost Rider wrote:Oh yes...Hulk is moving m/s in spans where Yoda's pre-cog won't tell him crap

Ok so forrest situation like i said,
Yoda and Hulk see each other at the same time, hulk rushes him at a 100 miles an hour, (he ran faster in the movie, but we'll say 100 to be nice)
he's pumping his big legs and arms, and yoda realizes
(gee this guy has a lot more momentum than that motionless x-wing or beam I caught. So he decides to get the hell out of there,

what does pre-cog tell him?
(ok, I got a 45 foot tree swinging at me, I better move)
so he moves, avoids it easily
precog says
(this beam is going to hit that stump behind me, and spliter into a million pieces, tossing the stump, rocks, dirt and wood into the air, injurying me)

you can KNOW what will happen, you can't avoid everything

Omega-13 · Post by **Omega-13** » 2003-06-24 12:10am

Yogi wrote:Comic Hulk is actually not the Savage varient we know. He's currently the Proessor varient, meaning he has the intellegence of Bruce Banner and the strength of Hulk.

interesting to know, but not for this debate, movie hulk in this one.

As for breaking Hulk's neck or crushing his windpipe, Hulk has gotten burned down to the skeletal level, and regenerated that. It's going to take a lot more than a broken neck.

HOW would yoda break his neck? that suggests Yoda's TK can munipulate the Hulk's physical body, not just lifting him off the ground.

As for mind control, that's Yoda's best bet. Calm Hulk down, and he becomes less dangerous (though he no longer transforms into Banner.) He needs to be careful not to bring out Guilt Hulk or Devil Hulk though.

I don't think there is 'much' of a mind to actually...invade..or communicate wtih. If yoda tried to communicate with the hulk, it woudln't take 1 second to calm the guy down, he's going to probably ignore anything at first, he's going off pure rage,
I think of Yoda was trying to go for the mind trick, he'd end up a pancake, he'd have to do it while hiding, sort of like vAder and luke in ROTJ.

Movie Hulk is kind of screwed.

have u seen the movie?

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-06-24 12:16am

Movie Hulk can die from lack of air. Yoda can't hold Hulk's lungs, but he can hold the air itself. Since Movie Hulk can't Thunderclap, he can't actually reach Yoda,

Omega-13 · Post by **Omega-13** » 2003-06-24 12:19am

Yogi wrote:Movie Hulk can die from lack of air. Yoda can't hold Hulk's lungs, but he can hold the air itself. Since Movie Hulk can't Thunderclap, he can't actually reach Yoda,

Hold the air?
yoda holds the air infront of hulks face, then hulk starts running forward, and gets more air ....

unless you think yoda can hold him off the ground, and all the air going towards his face in a very breezy forrest right beside a lake....

Crossover_Maniac · Post by **Crossover_Maniac** » 2003-06-24 01:10am

Ghost Rider wrote:Nice to see you living up to VI.

Well if you are using Billion ton as your arguement but plugging your ears to the fact that he doesn't do this consistently and has been felled by far lesser things...shows he like many, many Marvel

First off,it's Marvel canon that the Hulk's strength varies depending on how mad he is. Also, Abomination and Absorbing Man have comparable strength to that of the Hulk.

Huge strength...far less endurance.

Not for the Hulk. The madder he gets, the stronger he gets. The Hulk also swam across the Pacific Ocean for a week non-stop.

Hmmm...and to think Doc Ock beat him this very same way.

Doc Ock also had a set of adamantium tenacles for that fight.

Crossover_Maniac · Post by **Crossover_Maniac** » 2003-06-24 01:15am

observer_20000 wrote:
Darth_Shinji wrote:3 entries found for strong-minded.
strong-mind·ed (strôngmndd)
adj.
Having a determined will.
Having a vigorous, independent mind.

Snip irrelevant drivel
The Hulk acts like nothing more than a 6 year old having a tantrum. The only reason he's dangerous is because he's super strong.

Are you suggesting a six year old having a tantrum is too strong-minded for Yoda to mind control?

Comparing a pissed off Hulk to a six-year old with a temper is like comparing a rabid pit bull to an angry Chihuahua.

KK · Post by KK » 2003-06-24 01:26am

"But the green skinned goliath, whose power is virtually beyond measure, still has one remaining resource...As he clamps his mammoth hands together with the force of near-nuclear proportions!" TTA #67

If his hands come together, it's over.

When Doc Ock held Hulk, he has his adamantium tenticles, which put his other ones to shame.

Darth_Shinji · Post by **Darth_Shinji** » 2003-06-24 02:19am

While it is more likly Yoda can kill movie Hulk becuase he hasn't shown the Thunderclap yet I woudln't write him off. There are a few factors to consider, first is manly were thier figthing and how close thier start off together. I've seen no idecation that Yoda's precog can match Hulks speed. Secound thats alot of mass to hold up and try to kill a struggling, regenerating Hulk at the same time. And I personaly don't see those rocks even with acceralation meeting half a ton, though I could be wrong. And last but not least, Movie Hulk is getting bigger though-out this whole ordeal. If yoda can''t kill him soon enought, which I doubt he can with all his struggling and regeneration going on the Hulk might just get to the point were he outways him. So don't count movie hulk dead from the getgo.

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2003-06-24 03:45am

Dude, come on. You lost. You already demonstrated your arrogance, and ignorance, when you stated (OBVIOUSLY without reading the comic crossovers) that Hulk is stronger than Superman.

Give it up, fanboy.

Omega-13 · Post by **Omega-13** » 2003-06-24 03:46am

this is movie hulk vs movie yoda,

comics don't mean anything in this thread

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2003-06-24 03:50am

Ok then, if I remember correctly, Hulk never ONCE thunderclapped in the movie so you might as well throw that move out of this debate.