TIE Accuracy...or lack thereof...

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2003-06-23 06:35pm

In Star Wars Empire issue number 8 Biggs thinks to himself in a panel while firing on a target

"It's the way the sighting computer leads the target--it shoots early. you have to compensate."

makes a good explanation why you see Vader's TIE letting loose a river of laser bolts before actually hitting anything.

Wild Karrde · Post by **Wild Karrde** » 2003-06-24 12:18am

Actually:

ANH Novellization
Pg.174:
The same distortion fields that confused rebel instrumentation now did likewise to the two TIE-fighters.

Jabba the Hutt · Post by **Jabba the Hutt** » 2003-06-24 12:41am

It might also be explained by the fact that the Rebel fighters were moving around, attempting to dodge the fire. With the TIE design I don't see any way the guns could track the movement of whatever it's locked onto with out pivoting the whole craft.

Wild Karrde · Post by **Wild Karrde** » 2003-06-24 12:49am

Jabba the Hutt wrote:It might also be explained by the fact that the Rebel fighters were moving around, attempting to dodge the fire. With the TIE design I don't see any way the guns could track the movement of whatever it's locked onto with out pivoting the whole craft.

The TIE's guns can pivot on their own without having to move the whole craft

Jabba the Hutt · Post by **Jabba the Hutt** » 2003-06-24 12:55am

Wild Karrde wrote:
Jabba the Hutt wrote:It might also be explained by the fact that the Rebel fighters were moving around, attempting to dodge the fire. With the TIE design I don't see any way the guns could track the movement of whatever it's locked onto with out pivoting the whole craft.
The TIE's guns can pivot on their own without having to move the whole craft

How? I cn see that in the X-wings, and also in the books they are described as being able to set the angle of their guns so that the blasts will intersect at a certain point, but I've never seen anything that implies that the TIEs have this ability.

Wild Karrde · Post by **Wild Karrde** » 2003-06-24 01:08am

Jabba the Hutt wrote:
Wild Karrde wrote:
Jabba the Hutt wrote:It might also be explained by the fact that the Rebel fighters were moving around, attempting to dodge the fire. With the TIE design I don't see any way the guns could track the movement of whatever it's locked onto with out pivoting the whole craft.
The TIE's guns can pivot on their own without having to move the whole craft

How? I cn see that in the X-wings, and also in the books they are described as being able to set the angle of their guns so that the blasts will intersect at a certain point, but I've never seen anything that implies that the TIEs have this ability.

The TIE's laser cannons are set in ball-and-socket joints with the tips of the cannons protruding from the hull.

You can see this when Vader fires on one of the X-wings in the trench, the lasers are off-center and "walk" to their target.

Jabba the Hutt · Post by **Jabba the Hutt** » 2003-06-24 01:20am

Ah aha!

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2003-06-24 06:26pm

Wild Karrde wrote:
Jabba the Hutt wrote:It might also be explained by the fact that the Rebel fighters were moving around, attempting to dodge the fire. With the TIE design I don't see any way the guns could track the movement of whatever it's locked onto with out pivoting the whole craft.
The TIE's guns can pivot on their own without having to move the whole craft

Thats only for Tie/fc's and Advanced Mk1.'s. Standard Ties can't rotate their guns.

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2003-06-24 06:33pm

Actually, I think the other advanced Starfighter lines (Tie Defender, Tie Phantom, possibly Tie Interceptor, but I doubt that) had that capacity.

Wild Karrde · Post by **Wild Karrde** » 2003-06-24 07:24pm

YT300000 wrote:
Wild Karrde wrote:
Jabba the Hutt wrote:It might also be explained by the fact that the Rebel fighters were moving around, attempting to dodge the fire. With the TIE design I don't see any way the guns could track the movement of whatever it's locked onto with out pivoting the whole craft.
The TIE's guns can pivot on their own without having to move the whole craft
Thats only for Tie/fc's and Advanced Mk1.'s. Standard Ties can't rotate their guns.

Wrong:

As the pic above shows regular TIEs are capable of firing off-center.

Also the ICS shows that the regular TIE's laser cannons protrude quite a bit from the hull, there's no reason why they wouldn't be able to pivot.

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2003-06-24 08:17pm

Wild Karrde wrote:Wrong:

*pic snip*

As the pic above shows regular TIEs are capable of firing off-center.

Also the ICS shows that the regular TIE's laser cannons protrude quite a bit from the hull, there's no reason why they wouldn't be able to pivot.

For all you know, that is a Tie/fc. They look the same as Tie/in's.

Saxton once showed that Ties that had guns which were orange cones could fire off centre, while the Ties with standard tube cannons could not.

Wild Karrde · Post by **Wild Karrde** » 2003-06-24 10:38pm

YT300000 wrote:
Wild Karrde wrote:Wrong:

*pic snip*

As the pic above shows regular TIEs are capable of firing off-center.

Also the ICS shows that the regular TIE's laser cannons protrude quite a bit from the hull, there's no reason why they wouldn't be able to pivot.
For all you know, that is a Tie/fc. They look the same as Tie/in's.

Not really, they have a distinguishable box over the laser ports, with the cannons sticking out of this box in extended barrels.

http://Tiger887.tripod.com/ExtraPics/TI ... ntrolP.jpg

Saxton once showed that Ties that had guns which were orange cones could fire off centre, while the Ties with standard tube cannons could not.

Yes but going by Saxton and the ICS even the standard TIEs for the DS had the orange cones on them.

So while some of the older model TIEs may not have the ability of off-center fire, the DS's compliment of standard TIEs did.

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2003-06-25 03:45pm

Point conceeded.

Wild Karrde · Post by **Wild Karrde** » 2003-06-25 04:49pm

Correction with the TIE/fc, those two poutrusions aren't the guns but part of the the sensor array. It only has one laser cannon.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2003-06-26 07:37am

Wild Karrde wrote:Correction with the TIE/fc, those two poutrusions aren't the guns but part of the the sensor array. It only has one laser cannon.

More proof that not every round hole or thing that sticks out of a tie is a gun!

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-06-26 08:40am

It it more likely that the TIE cannons simply fire off-axis, than the cannons swivel.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-06-26 08:46am

Isolder74 wrote:
More proof that not every round hole or thing that sticks out of a tie is a gun!

I guess the TIE Interceptor has such 'sensor arrays' that look nothing like that on the TIE/fc where the obvious cannon holes are, so we can continue to slavishly obey the EU's ignorance of canon (both film: 6 guns, and the model, 10 guns).

I love this debate.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-06-26 02:05pm

Vympel wrote:(both film: 6 guns, and the model, 10 guns).

Actually that's Argumentum ad ignorantiam.

What evidence is there that the model's extra 4 "guns" (never seen used) are guns at all?

We have evidence of the six.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-06-26 02:50pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:
Vympel wrote:(both film: 6 guns, and the model, 10 guns).

Actually that's Argumentum ad ignorantiam.

What evidence is there that the model's extra 4 "guns" (never seen used) are guns at all?

They're identical to the other 6?

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-06-26 02:57pm

None of the other 6 had the long cylinderical "barrels" those did.

Wild Karrde · Post by **Wild Karrde** » 2003-06-26 03:29pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:It it more likely that the TIE cannons simply fire off-axis, than the cannons swivel.

On a slightly related note. http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=22318

Wild Karrde · Post by **Wild Karrde** » 2003-06-26 03:36pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:None of the other 6 had the long cylinderical "barrels" those did.

If I may:

It seems that the mid twin ones are the same as the wing tip ones, it's just that the mid ones looked to be recessed somewhat.

RedWizard · Post by **RedWizard** » 2003-06-27 02:22am

Illuminatus Primus wrote:
Vympel wrote:(both film: 6 guns, and the model, 10 guns).

Actually that's Argumentum ad ignorantiam.

What evidence is there that the model's extra 4 "guns" (never seen used) are guns at all?

We have evidence of the six.

This looks a bit like one of them being used:

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-06-27 06:47am

Excellent work, RedWizard. That particular blast could not be coming from any of the 'tip' guns.

nightmare · Post by **nightmare** » 2003-06-27 08:22am

Official stuff agrees with canon (!)

http://www.galacticempiredatabank.com/T ... eptor.html

Two laser cannons and/or missile launchers (6 or 12) can be fitted on chin-mounted hardpoints (Okay, so it isn't perfect.. chin-mounted..).