The new global superpower

Setzer · Post by **Setzer** » 2003-06-23 07:13pm

If the US, UK, Russia, China, and France all magically disappeared one day, which nation would rise to be the new global superpower, both militarily and economically?

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2003-06-23 07:17pm

Considering the whole E.U is gone (if not, the remaining countries will have something to say), the new global players will be India and Brazil. They're the ones with the Greatest area and populational numbers to make the difference.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-06-23 07:40pm

Well the EU might get around to becoming a nation or it might decide that killing is more fun. Outside of that, India takes the cake assuming the world economy doesnt collapse which seems likely.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2003-06-23 09:29pm

Japan also.

Post by **AdmiralKanos** » 2003-06-23 09:31pm

CaptainChewbacca wrote:Japan also.

Japan is not in good shape, and hasn't been for some time. Its structural problem is that it is exporting much of its wealth to the entire Asian Pacific Rim (rather ironic that it's finally realizing the WW2 rhetoric of a greater asian co-prosperity sphere, but it's killing their economy).

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-06-23 10:29pm

I think it will be Canada... !!

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-06-23 11:30pm

Germany will rise to power once again!

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-06-23 11:41pm

AdmiralKanos wrote:
CaptainChewbacca wrote:Japan also.
Japan is not in good shape, and hasn't been for some time. Its structural problem is that it is exporting much of its wealth to the entire Asian Pacific Rim (rather ironic that it's finally realizing the WW2 rhetoric of a greater asian co-prosperity sphere, but it's killing their economy).

It also is looking at massive problems with an aging declining population, worse then Europe or the US.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2003-06-24 02:05am

True, but if the US was gone, it would likely build up militarily and try to take on the world again.

They have enough will and national pride to do it.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-06-24 02:23am

CaptainChewbacca wrote:True, but if the US was gone, it would likely build up militarily and try to take on the world again.

They have enough will and national pride to do it.

There recent record on military equipment s not impressive, the F-3 cost three times the price of a comparable F-16 while being underpowered. Japan would easily need a decade to build up, and if America was gone there economy would be decimated anyway.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2003-06-24 03:29am

Good point.

I can definitely see a SK-Japan alliance forming up, though.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-06-24 03:36am

CaptainChewbacca wrote:Good point.

I can definitely see a SK-Japan alliance forming up, though.

Nobody else in the Asia-Pacific rim likes Japan.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-06-24 03:38am

South Korea isn't going to like or join a resurgence of the Japanese military. Its more likely South Korea would join with Taiwan and the rest of South East Asia to stop them.

Tosho · Post by **Tosho** » 2003-06-24 07:18am

The only hope for my beloved Nihon is to somehow play the aisan countries off each other this is what I'd do if I was the dictator of Nihon:

Off the top of my head
1. Get economy back on line.
2. Create military strong enough to defend Nihon.
3. improve foreign relations.
4. Create image of gaijin friendly Nihon.
5. Convince China to attack Russia one day to regain territory lost in the 1800s.
6. Offer aid to SK (including military aid) in a war of Korean unification.
7. Repeat #6 with China over Taiwan.
8. Convince C&K that it is Nihon's right to take back territory Russia took after WWII.

LordShaithis · Post by **LordShaithis** » 2003-06-24 07:41am

Asia: India gobbles up what used to be Russia and China, becomes unstoppable.

Europe: Germany rises again.

Americas: Canada grabs some of northern former US, Mexico grabs a lot of the southwest, Brazil annexes Venezuela because it can.

Darth Gojira · Post by **Darth Gojira** » 2003-06-24 08:08am

CaptainChewbacca wrote:True, but if the US was gone, it would likely build up militarily and try to take on the world again.

They have enough will and national pride to do it.

Really? I've heard that the old flame has gone out. They're in pretty sorry shape.

Grand Moff Yenchin · Post by **Grand Moff Yenchin** » 2003-06-24 08:12am

Hard to say Taiwan against Japan. Depends on who's running the government:

KMT or Peoples First Party -> Against the Japs (Since China has disappeared, at least TW won't become their lapdogs.)

DPP -> Join the Japs unless they piss TW.

Judging by the attitude of the rabid Japaholics in TW, if the scenario happens in the near future when they grow up and run the country, TW will automatically become the next island of Japan.

Tosho · Post by **Tosho** » 2003-06-24 08:24am

Akh, didn't notice china was gone.

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2003-06-24 12:24pm

Germany shall rise again to its former glory!

One can still dream...

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2003-06-24 12:43pm

Dahak wrote:Germany shall rise again to its former glory!

One can still dream...

Most likely we'd be facing our worst economic crisis since the 1920s when our most important trading partners are gone.

Seggybop · Post by **Seggybop** » 2003-06-24 12:56pm

Wouldn't Japan easily be able to make ICBMs if it felt like it, due to their space and nuclear power programs? It seems like this gives them a large advantage over the other countries.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-06-24 01:48pm

Japan may have an aging population, but theyre all healthy, and WWII psycho Nanjing raper boys to boot. If they got pissed they could.. i dont know.. Make Taiwan quiver a bit!!! Yeah!

...

Japanese commander: Ok bois! Rets go rape those wannabe chinese bastards! Get your Viagra!
Taiwanese: Here we go again. ::yelling to the rear:: GET THE HENTAI AND DISTRACT THEM!

GrandMasterTerwynn · Post by **GrandMasterTerwynn** » 2003-06-24 02:20pm

Setzer wrote:If the US, UK, Russia, China, and France all magically disappeared one day, which nation would rise to be the new global superpower, both militarily and economically?

If the major powers of the world were rendered completely insoluble by some horrible global crisis, say a large scale global war followed by a global depression, what would happen:

The only nations that would really have a chance are the nations that didn't trade heavily with the nations that are now politically insignificant.

So . . . okay, everybody would end up sucking scum off the bottom of the tank for awhile, so who gets back up first?

In North America, you'd have a gradual Mexican assimilation of much of the southwestern U.S. Since Mexico has active trade with the rest of the Americas to count on, it stands to do fairly well. In South America, you have Brazil, a rapidly modernizing nation that is very close to developing a basic space infrastructure. They and Argentina stand to become the dominant powers of the Americas. If Brazil recovers fast enough, it will become a global superpower.

In Europe, the Brits aren't quite vital to the long-term survival of the European Union, though the loss of the French would sting. However something that caused the U.S. and Russia to go away would very likely involve Europe as well. Essentially, you'd be left with states along the Mediterranean, such as Spain and Italy. You could also see the rise of some of the republics carved from the old USSR, such as the Ukraine.

In Africa . . . well, nobody cares about Africa. With the UN's most powerful members gone, the wars and the plagues and famines will rage about even moreso than before.

In the Near East, OPEC ceases to become an important entity. Brazil, Mexico, and Argentina would control virtually all the energy production in the Americas. Europe would lose much of it's demand for energy. All the Arabs have that is of any use is their nearness to the equator. It could become someone's space infrastructure . . . after everyone is wiped from the face of the map, of course. Without American assistance, Israel would immediately be set upon by ever Arab nation in the region (Except for the American States of Iraq.)
And Israel would retaliate with nukes and it'd just be ugly down there. Though, with the collapse of Russia, one could end up with a lot of Arabic or Turkish or Armenian-speaking swarthy middle eastern men controlling a lot of space infrastructure and resources as people push northward to escape the horror that will be the Persian Gulf.

India and Pakistan would immediately settle their differences, resulting in massive casualties on both sides. India, holding a vast edge in people and resourses, eventually squashes Pakistan like a bug. So India may become the power to contend with in the East, depending on how quickly they can rebuild after the war with Pakistan. India already has a limited space infrastructure and a massive pool of highly technical workers. They could be rivaled economically by the Koreans or the Taiwanese.
Japan, however, would cease to be a factor. It has to rely on outsiders for it's resources (Japan is resource-poor.) Worse, it relies heavily on trade from the nations that have ceased to be important. And it's economy is fragile as it is.

So, essentially, you have these guys as First World powers.
Brazil in the Americas, backed by Venezuelan and Canadian oil, and the trade output of the rest of South and Central America.

Who Knows in Europe. They'd be mosty dragged down with the U.S, France, Britain, and Russia. Germany might do it, being that they're among the strongest E.U. members, otherwise it'd be Spain and Italy.

A new confederation of nations dominated by Turkey, Americanized Iraq, or Westenized Iran in the Middle East.

Nobody in particular in Africa.

India in Asia with Taiwan or Korea in hot pursuit.

In this new world, there won't be a native English-speaking country that isn't going to be someone's bitch.

GrandMasterTerwynn · Post by **GrandMasterTerwynn** » 2003-06-24 02:23pm

[quote="Seggybop"]Wouldn't Japan easily be able to make ICBMs if it felt like it, due to their space and nuclear power programs? It seems like this gives them a large advantage over the other countries.[/quote

Japan is only where it is now because they have technologically advanced nations in Europe and the Americas to trade with. Without them, Japan has no major natural resources of it's own. Their only hope of survival would be to send in the Japanese SDF and try to get in on the land-grab after China or Russia goes down.

Raptor 597 · Post by **Raptor 597** » 2003-06-24 02:40pm

The 4th Riech conquers France and UK then pounce and puppet the rest of Eastern Europe.

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