Seggybop wrote:Wouldn't Japan easily be able to make ICBMs if it felt like it, due to their space and nuclear power programs? It seems like this gives them a large advantage over the other countries.
They could have nuclear weapons within as little as ninety days. They have rockets that can reach orbit, which is more then you need for an ICBM. However developing an accurate RV would take some time.
However nukes wont save them if the Indian navy decides to sink every tanker out bound from the gulf to Japan
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Since the whole scenario is basically nuts anyway, I nominate the following regional powers:
South America: Brazil
North America: Mexico
Europe: Poland
Africa: Libya!
Asia: DPKR! The short guy with glasses leads us to victory!
Pacific: Australia!
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Captain Lennox wrote:The 4th Riech conquers France and UK then pounce and puppet the rest of Eastern Europe.
See, the sad thing about this is that Poland would beat the crap out of them as soon as they started looking dangerous. It's amazing how quickly things turn around in 50 years
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Pablo Sanchez wrote:
See, the sad thing about this is that Poland would beat the crap out of them as soon as they started looking dangerous. It's amazing how quickly things turn around in 50 years
Much as I like the country I don't think there going to beat Germany when they have about 250 modern tanks, which happen to be inferior versions of the Leo2.
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Sea Skimmer wrote:Much as I like the country I don't think there going to beat Germany when they have about 250 modern tanks, which happen to be inferior versions of the Leo2.
The Bundeswehr has what, seven divisions?
What has Poland got? I can't find a good source.
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Pablo Sanchez wrote:
The Bundeswehr has what, seven divisions?
What has Poland got? I can't find a good source.
They have three or four divisions as I recall, mostly with upgraded T-72's along with some Leo2A4's. The forces the Germans have retained are completely equipped with Leo2A5's and A6's along with Pzh2000 SP guns and some older M109's. In the air its Tornadoes and AMRAAM armed F-4's against fewer early model MiG-29's and some older MiG's and Su-20's.
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Sea Skimmer wrote:They have three or four divisions as I recall, mostly with upgraded T-72's along with some Leo2A4's. The forces the Germans have retained are completely equipped with Leo2A5's and A6's along with Pzh2000 SP guns and some older M109's. In the air its Tornadoes and AMRAAM armed F-4's against fewer early model MiG-29's and some older MiG's and Su-20's.
Bah. Time was, Poland was stronger. I need to keep more up to date.
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Well then 1989 Poland would probably cause today's Germany no end of trouble. But the tec disparity would be pretty large.
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I know people laugh when one says "Canada", but why would Mexico be the regional power in North America? Canada is the only bona fide first-world industrialized nation in the Americas if you take the US out of the equation. We are virtually demilitarized today, but we're nuclear-capable and could potentially build up a strong military if we felt the need to (it's just that with the US as our neighbour, we don't).
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HemlockGrey wrote:Ssssh. There, there. Canada's eventual assimilation into the Great American Empire is inevitable.
The thread subject involves the US disappearing for some reason, so that resolution seems unlikely.
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I agree with Darth Wong. In this wierdo fantast\y scenario I created, industrial development is everything. Since the greated manufacturer nations in the world are gone, it has to be rebuilt by the other industrialized nations.
Canada is far more developed than Mexico. If they built nukes, they could probably threaten Mexico into leaving the Southern US alone, and Canada would take it over.
AdmiralKanos wrote:I know people laugh when one says "Canada", but why would Mexico be the regional power in North America? Canada is the only bona fide first-world industrialized nation in the Americas if you take the US out of the equation. We are virtually demilitarized today, but we're nuclear-capable and could potentially build up a strong military if we felt the need to (it's just that with the US as our neighbour, we don't).
That’s something of a major issue, Mexico already wants a larger and much more capable military.
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AdmiralKanos wrote:I know people laugh when one says "Canada", but why would Mexico be the regional power in North America? Canada is the only bona fide first-world industrialized nation in the Americas if you take the US out of the equation. We are virtually demilitarized today, but we're nuclear-capable and could potentially build up a strong military if we felt the need to (it's just that with the US as our neighbour, we don't).
But with a population of only ~30 million, IIRC, you're lacking in industrial might and sheer manpower.
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If the US, UK, Russia, China, and France all magically disappeared one day, which nation would rise to be the new global superpower, both militarily and economically?
The traditional superpowers have been China, Japan, and Korea. China is making incredible progress, but I don't see them becoming a real superpower before Japan. Korea is majorly fucked until they can reunify, and the cost of bringing North Korea back up to spec will keep them away from any real advancement for decades. Japan is a likely candidate because of their wealth (curing depression aside) and potential military might, but they have exactly zero friends in their corner of the world. China and Korea would be especially ready to pounce on a re-emerging Japanese empire.
I notice Germany wasn't included in that list. Once East Germany is modernized, I don't see why Germany wouldn't return to the powerhouse it was on the eve of WWII. Therefore, Germany gets my vote.
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"curing depression aside" was supposed to read "current economic depression aside". Freudian slip, perhaps?
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AdmiralKanos wrote:I know people laugh when one says "Canada", but why would Mexico be the regional power in North America? Canada is the only bona fide first-world industrialized nation in the Americas if you take the US out of the equation. We are virtually demilitarized today, but we're nuclear-capable and could potentially build up a strong military if we felt the need to (it's just that with the US as our neighbour, we don't).
A) Because I like Mexico better.
B) Canada's population is a bit on the small side to meet all the requirements of an expanding world power.
C) Canada's economy is so intertwined with the USA's that I can't see any removal of the USA without a total and complete collapse for Canada. Mexico is also heavily entwined with the US, but not as much as Canada (they also have less distance to fall in case of a depression ).
In all probability, since Canadian and Mexican interests don't conflict (Canada would want to just survive, Mexico would probably repatriate the Cession) they might continue and expand the current trade alliance, to be better face the Brave New World of superpower reduction.
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I'm not sure the economic crunch would be as crippling as assumed. I mean, there's going to be a LOT of unclaimed land and resources all of a sudden. Specifics aside, there'll be no shortage of the materials industry requires, or productive things for people to do.
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BTW, when it comes to the Americas I'm rooting for Brazil, since I always play them in Superpower. Hey, they have five or six times the population of Canada, and an aircraft carrier. Granted it's just an old Clemenceau with (I think) some A-4's on it, but in the new order of things that's actually reasonably formidable.
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HemlockGrey wrote:Ssssh. There, there. Canada's eventual assimilation into the Great American Empire is inevitable. :lol:
The thread subject involves the US disappearing for some reason, so that resolution seems unlikely.
Though anything that wipes out the US like that would probably drag Canada down with it. Especially with all those American refugees that would be fleeing northward across that giant mostly unguarded border.
I took it more as "Everyone in listed countries mysteriously vanishes one day for no apparent reason. Everyone panics for a while, then makes a rush for the empty land."
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AdmiralKanos wrote:I know people laugh when one says "Canada", but why would Mexico be the regional power in North America? Canada is the only bona fide first-world industrialized nation in the Americas if you take the US out of the equation. We are virtually demilitarized today, but we're nuclear-capable and could potentially build up a strong military if we felt the need to (it's just that with the US as our neighbour, we don't).
A) Because I like Mexico better.
B) Canada's population is a bit on the small side to meet all the requirements of an expanding world power.
C) Canada's economy is so intertwined with the USA's that I can't see any removal of the USA without a total and complete collapse for Canada. Mexico is also heavily entwined with the US, but not as much as Canada (they also have less distance to fall in case of a depression :P).
In all probability, since Canadian and Mexican interests don't conflict (Canada would want to just survive, Mexico would probably repatriate the Cession) they might continue and expand the current trade alliance, to be better face the Brave New World of superpower reduction.
Indeed. And if the United States were to go into the shitter, Mexico has the fallback position of the rest of Central America and South America to trade with. So the fall would be cushioned somewhat.
GrandAdmiralPrawn wrote:I took it more as "Everyone in listed countries mysteriously vanishes one day for no apparent reason. Everyone panics for a while, then makes a rush for the empty land."
If everybody suddenly vanished one day out of the listed nations, then the remaining nations are probably going to have a lot more to worry about than who becomes the new Big Dog.
I think Australia is really being overlooked here. The removal of The Queen is probably going to stir some turmoil, but I can't see it truly screwing them over. I really can't see why they wouldn't be able to completely bitch slap the rest of the PACSE, unless it got in the way of India or China's ambition. They're the only regional power realistically capable of producing an Aircraft Carrier (and now with no more USA to rely on, they no longer have an excuse not to) and they're nuclear-capable. I foresee Australia and their scruffy little sidekick New Zealand kicking ass.
As for Africa, is South Africa still nuclear capable? I could see them accomplishing something.
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