Catachan Vs Kashyysk

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2002-09-16 04:50pm

Which planet is the hardest to live on, assuming you are not a wookie that can live in the top layers of trees and have to live on the ground?

Catachan from the WH40K universe

or

Kashyysk from the SW Universe?

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-09-16 05:24pm

Hmm lets see

Its perflectly dark...

Best guess as one one has ever been done closer than 2kms above the surface and lived(Litterly, stormys get sliced and diced half way there)

Ok what about Catachan?

Kashyysk ground by all acounts(Being guesses as the planet is 100% forrested) will be swamp water or deep water in which big nasty things swim aboung the roots. plus whatevers in the trees, Its pitch black 24/7 and you will be pulling 1.5Gs there

40k Space Marines fully trained and augmented would have a hard time down there...
That is getting down there... Let alone staying down there

Skelron · Post by **Skelron** » 2002-09-16 07:46pm

Hmm tough one, lets review, Catachan first, Bean pretty much covered the basics on Kashyyk or however you spell it, so Catachan.

A Jungle World, with the official designation of 'Death World' that is a planet which is either wholely or a massively hostile to Human Life. Catachan'S very plant life is dangerous, and mobile. The 'Settlement's' on Catachan are temporary at best, the inhabitants of the planet move about, burn a clearing and build a fortification, knowing that within a few weeks/months the forest will reclaim the clearing, and start to attack the walls, when this happens the inhabitants will be forced to move on, as they will lose the fortification. As far as I know their are no permanment settlements on Catachan, but I might be wrong, their may be as many as one, containing the spaceport, but I don't think so. (Problm is right now I keep thinking of each of the Imperial Guard Elite/named Regiments, and several of them are Nomadic peoples, with only one main city I'm getting them mixed up.)

Who do I give it too, first of I'd say that it'd be a massacre to put anyone on these planets, who wasn't prepared for them. On the one hand the Wookie's Home Planet is more dangerous. but if you go high enough you can escape the danger, on Catachan their is no place you can escape too... Hmm, The Wookies have the more dangerous potential... but Catachan is more dangerous, because there is no respite, you have to be on guard 24 hours, Leia couldn't use it too hide, or if she did she'd be in even more danger than before.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-09-16 08:15pm

Note he said on the GROUND not in the trees

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2002-09-17 01:30am

Man I wish I could remember that quote about the Catachan devil.. doesn't killing one do nasty things to the surrounding area? I know Catachan has a higher gravity than normal but I forget by how much.

I doubt space marines would have much trouble with the environment on Kashyyk though from what little I recall from the Thrawn trilogy. They've had plenty of experience with large nasty things that swim (such as in the beginning of Space Wolf).

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-09-17 07:54am

I doubt space marines would have much trouble with the environment on Kashyyk though from what little I recall from the Thrawn trilogy. They've had plenty of experience with large nasty things that swim (such as in the beginning of Space Wolf).

The Mear fact no one in roughly 500 Years of Record History of Kashyyk has ever made it down and back says quiet a bit(Even Droids)

And by the scalling(Creaters get bigger as you go down) Syran plants and 3-4kms are big enough to swallow a VW Bus to give you an idea of how big they are

Given that even if they don't get any bigger as you go down thats going to be pretty nasty

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2002-09-17 04:42pm

i thought that wookies had to climb down and kill some beast as part of an honour or marridge (sp) ritual or something, and they couldn't use ranged weapons, just ryyk blades and stuff like that.

Captain Cyran · Post by **Captain Cyran** » 2002-09-17 04:48pm

Skelron wrote:Catachan'S very plant life is dangerous, and mobile.

The plant life on Kashyyyk is quite dangerous as well, for example the Syren plant.

As for another point, you mentioned that people actually live on the surface of Catachan, even if it is for months at a time. No one can live on the surface of Kashyyyk, not for a week...let alone a month. As for escaping te danger by going up in the trees, even the Wookies are not safe and loose some of their numbers to attacks from the creatures of Kashyyyk....lets not even mentioning pissing off a wookie.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-09-17 04:49pm

i thought that wookies had to climb down and kill some beast as part of an honour or marridge (sp) ritual or something, and they couldn't use ranged weapons, just ryyk blades and stuff like that.

There are a few however they generaly consite of SURIVE at all for X amount of time to give you an idea

Also if the waiting game is not your think there are creaters(I forget) you can go kill with your Ryyk blades and skin them(You have to do it THERE which makes it the crazy part as lots of underworld nastys are drawn to blood quite easily and skining makes alot of bleeding) Or you can get some of the Syrn plant fibers which grow inside it at the base of the month and are veeery strong

Basicly it involes hanging upside down with a vibo-blade(You can't use a Ryyk as it will snap closed) half in the plant hacking away at the fibers and if you touch the sides of it, it closes on you and starts secreting posisones and neural agents that knock you out pretty fast

So all three options are pretty bad

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2002-09-17 04:55pm

Has one of them been done in recent SW history (TPM - NJO) ?

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-09-17 05:02pm

Well they acutal go through one of them in Crappy Jedi novels(not NJO the others ones with Jason and Co)(In my defense I recived most of those for less than a buck,, all of them for less than a buck fifty acutaly) where the they mention three diffrent wookies going through it, one who has, we read and watch one doing it(And getting it by accident mostly) and one just after finishing

The problem is most trips on Kashyyk start like this

One day the Evil Sith Lord, his five apprentices and fifty Strom Troopers decided to go down to the ground level of Kashyyk

And they were never seen agian....
The END!
Not a very exciting story eh?

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2002-09-17 05:27pm

Hadn't Chewie done it for some reason? I think it's mentioned in the Thrawn tril. while they're on Kashyysk.

BTW is it:
Kashysk
Kashyysk
Kashyyysk
Or something completely different?

Captain Cyran · Post by **Captain Cyran** » 2002-09-17 05:29pm

Kashyyyk

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-09-17 07:21pm

Hadn't Chewie done it for some reason? I think it's mentioned in the Thrawn tril. while they're on Kashyysk.

No I belive he never got around to doing it

Sure they where on Kashyyk but never realy did anything but run from Norghi

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2002-09-18 01:05am

Mr Bean wrote: The Mear fact no one in roughly 500 Years of Record History of Kashyyk has ever made it down and back says quiet a bit(Even Droids)

And by the scalling(Creaters get bigger as you go down) Syran plants and 3-4kms are big enough to swallow a VW Bus to give you an idea of how big they are

Given that even if they don't get any bigger as you go down thats going to be pretty nasty

Well if the surface is under a large amount of water I'm not surprised

The first settlers survived by the merest chance, holed-up inside the wreckage of their spacecraft, besieged by the living jungle around them. Undoubtedly many died. Only the hardiest, quickest and luckiest ever survive on a Death World.

Lichens soon take root upon any surface, secreting a potent acid which crumbles even the most solidly constructed defences. Strangle Vines creep a hundred metres in a single night, and their constricting grip can crush a plasteel bunker or smash a tank like an eggshell.

The planet's few scattered settlements are fortresses surrounded by barren bedrock where the soil has been blasted bare to provide clear lines of fire.

Every plant and every animal on Catachan is inimical to human life. Every creature is a carnivore. Every plant is poisonous. Some plants secrete a deadly pollen which saturates the air and invades filter systems. Other types of vegetation release sticky sap which holds a creature fast and slowly dissolves its flesh. A few large trees even emit poisons into the ground water, killing surrounding plants and creating a slimy acid bog which entraps anything foolish enough to venture near.

The native creatures are even more dangerous than the plants. The multi-legged Catachan Devil with its segmented body and snapping jaws is as big as a tank and capable of battling even the notorious Shambling Mamorphs of the volcano lands. Few humans grow old on Catachan, and those that survive the longest retain an instinct for self-preservation unrivalled anywhere in the galaxy.

And this one just because I like it..

During the jungle wars on Epsion Octarius, the Catachan Regiment survived for nearly forty days amidst Crotalid infested mangrove swamps before reaching the Ork Gargant construction site of Grubnak's Drops. On that occasion the savagery of the jungle fighters so impressed the Deathskull Ork Warlord that he ordered his Gargants to be painted in green jungle stripes with red bandanas, in imitation of the Catachan Jungle Fighter's uniform. Whether he did this out of respect for his enemies or in the hope that some of the Jungle Fighter's skills would rub off on his Gargant fighting machines is uncertain.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-09-18 08:36am

Wow they managed to stay alive for 40 days?

4 mins is the top time on Kashyyk

Post by **weemadando** » 2002-09-18 10:01am

I still think that Catachan takes it merely because you HAVE to be on the surface of Catachan. On Kashyyk anyone who can climb quick enough stands a chance of living.

And let me reiterate: vines that can crush a tank or a bunker! That is not healthy.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-09-18 10:57am

On Kashyyk anyone who can climb quick enough stands a chance of living.

Notice the specficion however you live ON THE GROUND in both places

As for climbing to quote Bev Lemisk, its a layer death trap climbing just means you switch enemys not get safer

And of course its in complete darkness

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2002-09-18 04:09pm

Mr Bean wrote:Wow they managed to stay alive for 40 days?

4 mins is the top time on Kashyyk

That 40 days was another planet, not Catachan. Whenever there's jungle fighting to be done the first people who get chucked into it are typically the Catachans.

Deathworlds have their share of nasties (like 30 meter long Catachan Devils.. or the Kraken of Fenris

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