Looking for Sci-fi/Fantasy films/books with heavy nudity/sex

[SAMAS]

Yes, yes, I know all about romanji and katakana. I did live there. I was commenting on the silliness of something like 'Bubblegum Crisis'.

Actually, that was intentional.

They likened the situation to somebody blowing a too-large bubble.

In short, a situation that could blow up in your face at any moment.

[Companion Cube]

Ok, say it with me:

UROTSUKIDOJI

It burns! The goggles; they do nothing!

[SyntaxVorlon]

Project A-Ko movie series

I thought most were just a couple of breast scenes.
I believe there is one sex scene in one of the next universe movies later in the series but that's just about it.

IIRC the many incarnations of tenchi had nudity, but it was pasted over with american bikinis.

[DPDarkPrimus]

IIRC the many incarnations of tenchi had nudity, but it was pasted over with american bikinis.

That was only on Toonami, genius. The ACTUAL uncut series is quite naked. However, the breasts aren't detailed or anything...

[The Yosemite Bear]

Porn doesn't do it for you, eh, Leia? What about that one that Carrie Fischer did back when she was barely legal?

Shampoo with Warren Beatty?
the one where CF is topless and goes down on Warren?

LOL!

Wow, I just totally made that up to see if Leia would go for it, but ok, whatever you say, YB....

Z. You have a Movie encyclopedia in residence, 90% of the problem with making a joke like that is that it's probably true. Fuck I can find a movie just about any actress/actor wishes didn't exist. (Never mention a certian film she did with Barry Bostwick & Tim Curry to Susan Serandon....)

[The Yosemite Bear]

Although the three "Grandfather's" of Sex & Sci Fi, are pervs they at least have decent plot lines, and for the most part respect for their female characters.

Now the opposite of Norman would be Zimmer Bradley, the mostly Misandronist writer....

[Peregrin Toker]

Now the opposite of Norman would be Zimmer Bradley, the mostly Misandronist writer....

Excuse me, but how is Marion Zimmer Bradley man-hating?? I've not read any of her works, but from what I've heard about her, she's definately not as sexist as John "RayCav" Norman.

(Did "Mists Of Avalon" ever explicitly claim that men must be demoted to sex slaves - in the most preachy way possible?? And if it did, did it repeat that mantra several times in the same book??)

[The Yosemite Bear]

I was thinking more on the lines of "Stormqueen", Her gladiator stories, Lathandar etc.

Where we have a woman who assumes a male role, continueally run into the worst the male gender has to offer (Every man is a rapist scum), and kills them in repitition.

[Peregrin Toker]

I was thinking more on the lines of "Stormqueen", Her gladiator stories, Lathandar etc.

Where we have a woman who assumes a male role, continueally run into the worst the male gender has to offer (Every man is a rapist scum), and kills them in repitition.

Hey! At least Zimmer Bradley's heroines don't enslave and humiliate members of the opposite sex, only to provide some lame-ass and extremely sexist excuse afterwards and get away with it!

(That's what the male heroes in "Gor" do, right??)

And when did Bradley describe a society where all men are limited to slave roles and depict it as an utopia??

(Which is what Norman would do if he was a woman)

[Rubberanvil]

Project A-Ko movie series

I thought most were just a couple of breast scenes.
I believe there is one sex scene in one of the next universe movies later in the series but that's just about it.

I was listing titles from one end (heavy fanserive) to the other end (sex) in no order.

IIRC the sex scene (well the beginning of it) was in movie three.

[The Yosemite Bear]

If I recall correctly Stormqueen's mother was incestiously raped repetably to create an Uber superbeing, (Since the Genetic Trait for "Mutants" in the Darkover world is linked to Matriarical DNA), Stormqueen was born made because her telepathy allowed her access to all of her mother's memories while still in the womb.


She then proceeded a campaign of androcide..... moralizing that men only existed to rape and enslave women, and should be destroyed.

[Peregrin Toker]

She then proceeded a campaign of androcide..... moralizing that men only existed to rape and enslave women, and should be destroyed.

And that nutcase is supposed to be our heroine??

[The Yosemite Bear]

Yes.

That's why I have stated she can be norman's opposite.

Then again I think Darkover was written as a response to Gor and a predisesor to Wheel of time.(Insanely powerful and unstable female wizards)

[Peregrin Toker]

Then again I think Darkover was written as a response to Gor and a predisesor to Wheel of time.(Insanely powerful and unstable female wizards)

So Bradley and Norman were in a race to write more sexist fantasy novels than each other??

Well, that at least explains why the Gor series gets progressively more sleazy with each novel. (Or so I've heard. I've never dared to touch them.)

[The Yosemite Bear]

Sort of Bradley was a happly married Femist, whose Darkover series came out a few years after Gor did, and seems like a response to it. It also had some good elements. The central theme being Clarke's third law. Advanced tech is indistiguishable from magic. The Wizards/Witches of Darkover are genetically modiefied superbiengs. The talents are linked to the Matriarical DNA, so it's only passed down on the mother's side. Resulting in the wizards being very incestious. The free women, (The Sisterhood of Steel) are a bunch of Mercs who go around killing men, and freeing women to be their Lesbian Partners..... (Like I said it seems in retrospect to be a response to Gor.) Fortunatly Bradley has a lot more sense then Norman.....

[Peregrin Toker]

The free women, (The Sisterhood of Steel) are a bunch of Mercs who go around killing men, and freeing women to be their Lesbian Partners.....

I knew there was going to be homoerotic overtones in a novel where the protagonist's highest goal is to wipe the opposite sex from the surface of the planet.

(Like I said it seems in retrospect to be a response to Gor.) Fortunatly Bradley has a lot more sense then Norman.....

...and hopefully, her writing style is less rambling and repetitive - and I also suppose she's better at writing dialogue. (According to one reviewer, the dialogue in Gor was "so flat-out moronic it could leave you with a concussion")

[The Duchess of Zeon]

Yes.

That's why I have stated she can be norman's opposite.

Then again I think Darkover was written as a response to Gor and a predisesor to Wheel of time.(Insanely powerful and unstable female wizards)

Not all of the wizards (psions, to be precise) on Darkover were female, mind. Darkover was a patriarchal society with mildly Arabic overtones to the feudal structure, and a hardly pleasant place for someone to live. I should further note that the Stormqueen was ultimately reviled in the long term in Darkoverian society, and the sisterhoods were only a minor part of the society--the Great Houses were strictly male dominated and rose to consider power (With the di Hasturs becoming the equivlant of some modern Arab Emirs when they were rediscovered by the Terran Imperium).

The Darkover series, with twenty novels and many anthologies, is incredibly detailed and highly balanced, covering centuries of history. Ultimately it presents a society with many clashing elements: The collapse of technology and the triumph of psionic powers, and, ultimately, the response of Darkover to the threat of the reintroduction of technology by the Imperium. Also the interactions not only of men and women but of their lives caught up in a rather grand feudal power structure.

I confess to be speaking as someone who's only read part of the series, and that long ago, but would yet remain an ardent fan and defender. Stormqueen, ultimately, just depicts Darkover in the times of chaos, when psions were bred for power and brutality was the order of the day.

[Peregrin Toker]

I confess to be speaking as someone who's only read part of the series, and that long ago, but would yet remain an ardent fan and defender.

It could be that they become progressively more sexist with each book, like Gor. But I haven't read Darkover either.

[The Duchess of Zeon]

It could be that they become progressively more sexist with each book, like Gor. But I haven't read Darkover either.

They're nothing like Gor. NOTHING. I cannot emphasize that enough. Gor is an anti-female hate screed. Darkover certainly has brutal elements, but presents them in equal measure, if you will--and with far better writing, and the sexual ones, in a massively smaller quantity, than Norman's trash.

[Peregrin Toker]

Gor is an anti-female hate screed.

I know that, but how is that less sexist than a series which asks us to symphathize with a bunch of man-hating warrior women who consider the male half of humanity little more than sword fodder??

Darkover certainly has brutal elements, but presents them in equal measure, if you will--and with far better writing, and the sexual ones, in a massively smaller quantity, than Norman's trash.

I certainly hope that Darkover has redeeming qualities! Still, as a self-respecting human male I can't avoid being offended by an author who attempts to justify the extermination of the entire male gender.

[The Duchess of Zeon]

Gor is an anti-female hate screed.

I know that, but how is that less sexist than a series which asks us to symphathize with a bunch of man-hating warrior women who consider the male half of humanity little more than sword fodder??

Here's a summary of Stormqueen! - It's not at all like what was described. Please read it; though of course it is wholly a spoiler in every sense, completely describing the story. But in that it also dispells such a rumour about Dorilys.

[Peregrin Toker]

Gor is an anti-female hate screed.

I know that, but how is that less sexist than a series which asks us to symphathize with a bunch of man-hating warrior women who consider the male half of humanity little more than sword fodder??

Here's a summary of Stormqueen! - It's not at all like what was described. Please read it; though of course it is wholly a spoiler in every sense, completely describing the story. But in that it also dispells such a rumour about Dorilys.

(reads summary)

How could anyone interpretate that as the saga of a bunch of ferocious mercenary women hell-bent on exterminating all men?

[The Duchess of Zeon]

(reads summary)

How could anyone interpretate that as the saga of a bunch of ferocious mercenary women hell-bent on exterminating all men?

*shrugs* Your guess is really as good as mine in this case.

[LadyTevar]

The free women, (The Sisterhood of Steel) are a bunch of Mercs who go around killing men, and freeing women to be their Lesbian Partners.....

I knew there was going to be homoerotic overtones in a novel where the protagonist's highest goal is to wipe the opposite sex from the surface of the planet.

(Like I said it seems in retrospect to be a response to Gor.) Fortunatly Bradley has a lot more sense then Norman.....

...and hopefully, her writing style is less rambling and repetitive - and I also suppose she's better at writing dialogue. (According to one reviewer, the dialogue in Gor was "so flat-out moronic it could leave you with a concussion")

Concussion? Worse. Brain Damage... especially in those that try to imitate Gorean lifestyles.

[Gil Hamilton]

I remember when I went to some SCA events and their were some folks that seemed to be really into the whole Gor thing. Called Toochucks or something like that. Really, I only read part of one Gor book and it sucked ass.

Then again, I've read about that much of the Darkover series, at it was a butt vacuum too.

*shrug*