Judge rules Disabled woman must give birth

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-06-26 11:31am

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/06/25/court ... index.html

(CNN) -- A 22-year-old disabled Florida woman raped while under the state's care who is more than six months pregnant is now under a court order to carry her fetus to term.

In newly unsealed documents, Circuit Court Judge Lawrence Kirkwood in Orlando, Florida, signed off on a recommendation submitted by the woman's court-approved legal guardian.

Guardian Patti Jarrell had her client, known only by her initials J.D.S., examined by at least two doctors on June 5 and 12. At least one of the doctors specialized in high-risk pregnancies, according to the guardian's report.

J.D.S. reportedly suffers from autism and cerebral palsy. Police have said she has the mental capacity of a 1-year-old and has no family.

Her case prompted controversy when her pregnancy was made public. Police say J.D.S. was raped while living in a group foster home in the Orlando area.

Gov. Jeb Bush became personally involved in the case when he urged the court to appoint a guardian for the fetus as well as the young woman. Bush argued the rights of the "unborn child " needed protection.

At the time, the American Civil Liberties Union and the National Organization for Women opposed a guardian for the fetus, calling such a proposed move a veiled attempt by the governor to eliminate the possibility of an abortion.

Kirkwood rejected Bush's motion and ruled appointment of a guardian for a fetus "is clear error."

Given the length of the woman's pregnancy, it appeared unclear whether an abortion would be safe.

In accepting the guardian's plan, the judge called her work "exemplary."

Court documents related to the guardian's medical plan for J.D.S. are redacted and do not disclose when and where the young woman will be taken to give birth.

Guardian Jarrell "strongly recommends" J.D.S. remain at the group home where she was moved following her rape. Her report states it is staffed by two licensed practical nurses 24 hours a day.

The guardian expressed concern about where the expectant mother will be placed by the state after she gives birth.

"The guardian urges the court to reject any attempt by DCF (the state Department of Children and Families) to relocate J.D.S. to a facility which in any way resembles the type of secluded and unstructured setting that arguably contributed to JDS' current predicament."

Last month, in a separate but similar case in Miami, a judge ordered an abortion for a severely disabled woman who also was raped while living in a Florida-regulated group home. At the time of the ruling, that woman -- a deaf-mute who suffers from seizures -- also was about 6 months pregnant.

In that case, the young woman's mother opposed the birth. The abortion was performed after the court ruling.

Jeb Bush wanted to appoint a guardian to protect the fetus' rights. He knows better, the fetus has no rights until its third trimester. I am getting sick and tired of these right wingers constantly making end runs around the abortion rights issue....hey Jeb how about you clean up your crack head daughter before you start lecturing us on fetus rights. Ass.

Oh, and this disgusts me, she has the mental capacity of a 1 year old. HOW is she going to raise this kid...I see the state is preparing another ward for its "wonderful" foster care program. Here's another kid's life thats about to be flushed down the toilet thanks to southern fundie bullshit.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-06-26 11:36am

Isn't Six months the third timester

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-06-26 11:38am

NecronLord wrote:Isn't Six months the third timester

When the case began she was less than that, after all the wrangling and examinations she is now 6 months.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-06-26 11:40am

Stravo wrote:
When the case began she was less than that, after all the wrangling and examinations she is now 6 months.

Well. Too late. No point crying over spilt milk. Just do better next time.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-06-26 11:44am

NecronLord wrote:
Stravo wrote:
When the case began she was less than that, after all the wrangling and examinations she is now 6 months.
Well. Too late. No point crying over spilt milk. Just do better next time.

The point is the state is intentionally creating a ward of the state. It is intentionally bringing a child into the world that is going to start out ina losing position in life, no father, no mother (how is a woman with teh capacityof a 1 year old going to relate to her child?) and moving around from foster home to foster home. We call that a formula for hardcore criminal around these parts.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-06-26 11:45am

Well, as I mentioned, it's a little late. If the people don't want this kind of thing to happen, vote out the neo-conservatives.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-06-26 11:48am

NecronLord wrote:Well, as I mentioned, it's a little late. If the people don't want this kind of thing to happen, vote out the neo-conservatives.

We're talking about Florida here, those hicks couldn't even run a decent presidential election much less organize a movement to kick out the conservatives. I guess they deserve what they get.

Xenophobe3691 · Post by **Xenophobe3691** » 2003-06-26 12:16pm

Stravo wrote:
NecronLord wrote:Well, as I mentioned, it's a little late. If the people don't want this kind of thing to happen, vote out the neo-conservatives.
We're talking about Florida here, those hicks couldn't even run a decent presidential election much less organize a movement to kick out the conservatives. I guess they deserve what they get.

Wow, gotta love Conservatives. I know who's not getting my vote when the elections come round, and the best part is, I live in Palm Beach County! My vote will actually count for something!

Post by **RogueIce** » 2003-06-26 02:51pm

Stravo wrote:We're talking about Florida here, those hicks couldn't even run a decent presidential election much less organize a movement to kick out the conservatives. I guess they deserve what they get.

No need to insult all Floridians... It's not like all of us wanted him in, and not all of us were involved in that 2000 SNAFU.

And no, we're not all hicks either.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-06-26 02:53pm

RogueIce wrote:
Stravo wrote:We're talking about Florida here, those hicks couldn't even run a decent presidential election much less organize a movement to kick out the conservatives. I guess they deserve what they get.

No need to insult all Floridians... It's not like all of us wanted him in, and not all of us were involved in that 2000 SNAFU.

And no, we're not all hicks either.

My apologies, its just that Jeb Bush and his cronies really piss me off with their bullshit particularly when their own backyard is so fucking filthy (crack head daughter) I will also not easily forgive or forget the antics in Florida that made the election and the American system a laughing stock around the world because some fucking retirees couldn't read a voting card correctly.

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-06-26 03:01pm

What method are they using in the foster home screening process,is it the they`re good christian system or what?

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-06-26 03:03pm

Stravo wrote:
NecronLord wrote:Well, as I mentioned, it's a little late. If the people don't want this kind of thing to happen, vote out the neo-conservatives.
We're talking about Florida here, those hicks couldn't even run a decent presidential election much less organize a movement to kick out the conservatives. I guess they deserve what they get.

Just because I don't live in an urban shithole doesn't make me a "hick," Stravo. Tampa Bay is not whacko.

Jeb's a fucktard.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-06-26 03:05pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:
Stravo wrote:
NecronLord wrote:Well, as I mentioned, it's a little late. If the people don't want this kind of thing to happen, vote out the neo-conservatives.
We're talking about Florida here, those hicks couldn't even run a decent presidential election much less organize a movement to kick out the conservatives. I guess they deserve what they get.
Just because I don't live in an urban shithole doesn't make me a "hick," Stravo. Tampa Bay is not whacko.

Jeb's a fucktard.

See above for my apology to decent urbanized Floridians.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-06-26 05:22pm

Ugh. I wasn't a big fan of Jeb's opposition either, truthfully, which made the last gubernatorial election rather painful to vote in...

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-06-26 05:40pm

Montcalm wrote:What method are they using in the foster home screening process,is it the they`re good christian system or what?

They have a ban on gay adoption if that says anything...

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-06-26 06:10pm

Stravo wrote:I will also not easily forgive or forget the antics in Florida that made the election and the American system a laughing stock around the world because some fucking retirees couldn't read a voting card correctly.

Not my own damn fault Al Gore didn't win Tennesee, his fuckign HOME STATE, which is a first in itself...

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-06-26 06:14pm

Stravo wrote: My apologies, its just that Jeb Bush and his cronies really piss me off with their bullshit particularly when their own backyard is so fucking filthy (crack head daughter)

His child has a drug problem, he must be incompetent!

If thats all you can find to attack then I suggest you shut up.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-06-26 06:18pm

Sea Skimmer wrote: His child has a drug problem, he must be incompetent! If thats all you can find to attack then I suggest you shut up.

AHhahah

That's it?

Man you stupid NYCers don't know "trash"

Our own fucking former governor, Parris Glendening, he fucking divorced
his wife of 20+ years on THEIR WEDDING ANNIVERSARY and a few months
later promptly married an office intern he had been banging for quite a while
(they've already had a baby, whose arrival wus suspiciously close to
the wedding).

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-06-26 06:18pm

MKSheppard wrote:[
Our own fucking former governor, Parris Glendening, he fucking divorced
his wife of 20+ years on THEIR WEDDING ANNIVERSARY and a few months
later promptly married an office intern he had been banging for quite a while
(they've already had a baby, whose arrival wus suspiciously close to
the wedding).

And all this was while he was Governor of Maryland

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-06-26 06:19pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:
Stravo wrote: My apologies, its just that Jeb Bush and his cronies really piss me off with their bullshit particularly when their own backyard is so fucking filthy (crack head daughter)
His child has a drug problem, he must be incompetent! If thats all you can find to attack then I suggest you shut up.

Hmmm...reading comprehension is a must. I stated that before he starts trying to tell people what to do in regards to matters of morals (ie fetus rights) he needs to buck up and clean up his own messes. You can't dictate a policy based on family values with a straight face when you have a skeleton like that lurking around.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-06-26 06:22pm

Stravo wrote:You can't dictate a policy based on family values with a straight face when you have a skeleton like that lurking around.

See my comment = I'd rather have a governor with a crackhead daughter
than one who divorces his wife on their wedding anniversary to marry an
intern he's been banging in the office the last few months

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-06-26 06:25pm

MKSheppard wrote:See my comment = I'd rather have a governor with a crackhead daughter
than one who divorces his wife on their wedding anniversary to marry an
intern he's been banging in the office the last few months

And before THAT governor, we had one who had the taxpayers make a fountain to honor his unmarried partner who stayed around him for years...

And before THAT one, we had a tax-evading son of a bitch named Spiro Agnew

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2003-06-26 06:42pm

Stravo wrote:And no, we're not all hicks either.

My apologies, its just that Jeb Bush and his cronies really piss me off with their bullshit particularly when their own backyard is so fucking filthy (crack head daughter) I will also not easily forgive or forget the antics in Florida that made the election and the American system a laughing stock around the world because some fucking retirees couldn't read a voting card correctly.[/quote]

Not necessarily hicks, either, the old fogies who couldn't read the cards right most likely weren't even from Florida. In fact, they were most likely from more northern parts of the country...

But I do agree that he should take care of his problems with his daughter, and I also agree that this is one case where an abortion wouldn't be uncalled for.

Post by **RogueIce** » 2003-06-26 06:56pm

Nathan F wrote:Not necessarily hicks, either, the old fogies who couldn't read the cards right most likely weren't even from Florida. In fact, they were most likely from more northern parts of the country...

Agreed. Blame it on the old people; they're the ones who screwed it up. They're not hicks in West Palm Beach so far as I know.

Now, if it had happened in Ruskin or Plant City (those two being the closest I can think of)...

Xenophobe3691 · Post by **Xenophobe3691** » 2003-06-26 08:20pm

RogueIce wrote:
Nathan F wrote:Not necessarily hicks, either, the old fogies who couldn't read the cards right most likely weren't even from Florida. In fact, they were most likely from more northern parts of the country...
Agreed. Blame it on the old people; they're the ones who screwed it up. They're not hicks in West Palm Beach so far as I know.

Now, if it had happened in Ruskin or Plant City (those two being the closest I can think of)...

Fuck, those old people live in MY TOWN. Boca Raton, home of the fuckin retirement homes. I saw them trying to vote, believe me, they took a long ass time doing it (My dad took me to the voting stations to show me how to vote, since that was the last presidential election before I turn 18 (12 days!))