The WhiteStar Vs the Falcon

[SirNitram]

Internet Lingo is not a language, but a mockery thereof. Learn English, ignorant pigfucker. You are currently proving that your educational system, which I suspect is the United States Public School System, is pathetic.

Defense: Wow, you must have watched ESB with your ass. Multiple turbolaser strikes were seen by everyone who actually watched the movie. Even if they were only laser cannons(Which they weren't), they would still pack 6 MT a pop, and the Falcon weathered the storm.

Maneuvarability: Well, a SSD can turn 180 degrees and then engage engines. If you knew anything about maneuverability in space(Which you don't, you're probably some high school idiot who jacks off the B5Tech.com), you'd know it's the speed that counts. ESB has the Falcon pulling a hard rightangle turn and twist inside of ten meters. The White Star would be too big to do that, so it can't even try and match.

Power: Two megatons nukes blew away the Black Star. Deal with your Canon, ignorant pigfucker.

And learn how to type English, please. Your retardness is painful.

[Mr Bean]

now in esb there were no actual hits! the turbolaser blasts were all around the falcon not actually hitting it. and yes some blasts DID actually hit, but those were all fron TIE's which by the way DONT have turbolasers but cannons.

No they did take TurboLaser hits if you bothered to watch the moive or if I ask HDS to dig up the frame by frame the Falcon is hit by no less than three TL hits, two while its racing towards the Camera and that huge bolt that strikes the rear of the shp and nearly destroys it(Threepo:One more hit like that and were done for!)

How do we know that last one was a TurboLaser?

Simple its to big to have been fired from a TIE, infact a quick scalling shows that unless TIE's shoot bolts half the size of thier ships its was not a TIE shot

well u know if u had even watched any b5 episode w/whitestars u wouldve seen that whitestars are capable of turning on a fuckin dime. a whitestar can literally turn 180 degrees and shoot back the other way at full speed(without mind u the entire crew leaning to one side or falling over from g forces)

Provided Evidance for this don't just insult somone and say well if you ever because guess what? You still did not provided any evidance, Furthermore if the Internal Compesator where so bad as to have the crew falling over on any SW ships they would be DEAD, ISDs have pulled over 5000Gs before, considering 20 will KILL YOU, 25G will cause your entire skeleton to break like twigs thats saying somthing(Of course for Comparsions sake the Andromida from Andromda can pull 100kG's easly)
(But thats just a comparsion)

ya thats considering the falcon could even get a lock on a whitestar(remember that missles need a definate lock to fire) and exactly what are 100mt going to do to the whitestar?

First off Missles DON'T need a Lock to fire WTF you getting that from? Han has Dumbfired missiles over 20 twentys times before on the Falcon, The do it all the @%@% time in EU.. Where are you getting this *Gotta have a lock BS? Furthmore its rather hard to miss anything over 30 Meters with a missile than can pull .9C
And what are 100 Mega-tons Gonna do?
Why punch a rather largesh hole in the ship
Remeber SW missiles and weaponry are shaped charges not just general explosions

And furthermore

it wasnt the blast that destroyed the ship in the first place, it was the debris that was thrown from the asteroids the warheads were placed on that destroyed the blackstar.

That makes it WORSE did you know that? That takes even LESS Kinitec force to destroy the ship, that if it was a simple explosion!

[Dead on Arrival]

*Starts banging head on computer desk*

Ooh look...blood! I would debate this, but...

*Passes out and dreams of a world where people would consider the entire scene and pay attention when it is described repeatedly*

[Joe Richter]

The same Whitestar that takes on dozens of t-bolts at once without taking damage.. no damage from the same t-bolts that can take down vorlon fighters... vorlon fighters which can fly through the middle of a 500 MT blast and not even be knocked off course....

And yes is destroyed by 2 Mega-tons of damage

Whoada thunk it?

Not that it realy has anything to do with this, but it was the Mimbari Sharlin class Black star that was destroyed by a 2mt nuke in In the beginning, not one of the white stars.

[SirNitram]

The same Whitestar that takes on dozens of t-bolts at once without taking damage.. no damage from the same t-bolts that can take down vorlon fighters... vorlon fighters which can fly through the middle of a 500 MT blast and not even be knocked off course....

And yes is destroyed by 2 Mega-tons of damage

Whoada thunk it?

Not that it realy has anything to do with this, but it was the Mimbari Sharlin class Black star that was destroyed by a 2mt nuke in In the beginning, not one of the white stars.

True, but the difference in power can't be that great, they were both made by the Mimbari.

[Isil`Zha]

The same Whitestar that takes on dozens of t-bolts at once without taking damage.. no damage from the same t-bolts that can take down vorlon fighters... vorlon fighters which can fly through the middle of a 500 MT blast and not even be knocked off course....

And yes is destroyed by 2 Mega-tons of damage

Whoada thunk it?

Whoops, that wasn't a Whitestar.. .and whoops, an ISDs shields were taken down and it's bridge taken down by even less.


Sorry, forgot about this thread lol

[SirNitram]

The same Whitestar that takes on dozens of t-bolts at once without taking damage.. no damage from the same t-bolts that can take down vorlon fighters... vorlon fighters which can fly through the middle of a 500 MT blast and not even be knocked off course....

And yes is destroyed by 2 Mega-tons of damage

Whoada thunk it?

Whoops, that wasn't a Whitestar.. .and whoops, an ISDs shields were taken down and it's bridge taken down by even less.


Sorry, forgot about this thread lol

Actually, shields were down before the rock hit, but thanks for reiterating something that's only been dealt with a few thousand times.

[Isil`Zha]

And yes is destroyed by 2 Mega-tons of damage

Whoada thunk it?

Whoops, that wasn't a Whitestar.. .and whoops, an ISDs shields were taken down and it's bridge taken down by even less.


Sorry, forgot about this thread lol

Actually, shields were down before the rock hit, but thanks for reiterating something that's only been dealt with a few thousand times.

Exactly....

[SirNitram]

Well, Sharlin's don't have shields to have up or down, so that can't explain it. Tell me, Isil, how do you address the destruction of the Black Star? Because, when I watch it, I see it hit by the shockwave and debris of a 2MT detonation, and be ripped apart internally. Very unstable powercore.

[Isil`Zha]

Well, Sharlin's don't have shields to have up or down, so that can't explain it. Tell me, Isil, how do you address the destruction of the Black Star? Because, when I watch it, I see it hit by the shockwave and debris of a 2MT detonation, and be ripped apart internally. Very unstable powercore.

Notice that when we see the initial flash of the bomb, at which point it releases all it's head, and most of it's destructive power (in space at least) that the Sharlin's hull does not even begin melt away at all. However, notice where the damage done is. (The Legend of the Rangers movie helps to support this theory more so) First, shortly before detonating the first tac-nuke notice that there is an energy spike as the sharlin prepares to fire it's weapon. Now, instead of detonating it then, Sheridan wait a few seconds, so that their weapons are charged up.. and then, by good timing (and just blind luck) he detonates it just as, or just before the Sharlin fires it's weapon, cause it to detonate, taking off the fin. (Notice the fin is blown off below the lower weapon ports) The support from B5:LotR comes from the captains statement about weapons being more volitile and should therefore be attacked first. As for the second nuke, you can clearly see either atmosphere or some sort of gas for the weapon system venting from the destroyed fin, which the second nuke would ignite, which would lead to internal explosions, destroying the Sharlin from within. (I'm going to search for screens now, you can clearly see that the Sharlin was not blown away by the nuke blast)

[SirNitram]

It was certainly destroyed by the blasts. This conclusion actually weakens the Black Star, as being on the edge of a nuke blast like that means you're mostly just getting bombarded by immense rads.. Rads are enough to make the weapons backfire and blow the fin off? From there it was just a cascade before blowing up...

[Master of Ossus]

Note that there is absolutely no evidence to support this radiation forcing the weapons to explode thing. In fact, we see that the Black Star is actually heavily damaged from the first blast. We even see that its fins have suffered a loss of integrity due to the first blast. Its hull then completely rips apart with the second hit. I don't see any evidence for any conclusion other than that the nuclear weapons directly destroyed the Black Star, and much evidence against such a conclusion.

[SirNitram]

Note that there is absolutely no evidence to support this radiation forcing the weapons to explode thing. In fact, we see that the Black Star is actually heavily damaged from the first blast. We even see that its fins have suffered a loss of integrity due to the first blast. Its hull then completely rips apart with the second hit. I don't see any evidence for any conclusion other than that the nuclear weapons directly destroyed the Black Star, and much evidence against such a conclusion.

I postulated radiation being the cause of the death because I don't see much chance of the explosion itself actually hitting the Black Star at that range. Obviously something from that blast blew the fin off and started the chain reaction.

[Master of Ossus]

First of all, congratulations on your rank of Jedi Master, Nitram.

I have no idea how such an explosion could have damaged the Black Star so badly, but it is pretty clear that whatever hurt the thing took place twice, damaging the Black Star the first time and destroying it the second.

[SirNitram]

First of all, congratulations on your rank of Jedi Master, Nitram.

I have no idea how such an explosion could have damaged the Black Star so badly, but it is pretty clear that whatever hurt the thing took place twice, damaging the Black Star the first time and destroying it the second.

Conceeded on that. Okay, up to 4MT as a upper limit. It's a mysterious happening.. I'll need to watch the episode again(Poor me, having to watch one of my favorite sci fis!).

(Since this is a SW vs B5 thread, that's still UNDER the stated power of an anti-fighter laser cannon.)

[SpacedTeddyBear]

I'm gonna get flak from my fellow Fivers by saying this.....

The Falcon will win this fight. All because of it's shields. Even if the Falcon was stripped of it's weapons, the Falcon can ram the WS to death. I'm not going to go into how much firepower the Falcon can take because I don't have to. Just go look at the website, and the link the the TL-commentaries.