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Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-06-27 06:20am

The college professor challenged the class with this question.

"Did God make everything there is?" One student bravely answered, "Yes!"

"Everything, young man?"

The professor responded, "If God made everything, then God made evil, and if we can only create from within ourselves, then God is evil."

The student didn't have a response and the professor was happy to have once again proved the Christian faith to be a myth.
Then another man raised his hand and asked, "May I ask you something, sir?"

"Yes, you may," responded the professor. The young man stood up and said "Sir, is there such thing as cold?"

"Of course there is, what kind of a question is that? Haven't you ever been cold?"

The young man replied, "Actually, sir, cold does not exist. What we consider to be cold, is really only the absence of heat. Absolute zero is when there is absolutely no heat, but cold does not really exist. We have only created that term to describe how we feel when heat is not there." The young man continued, "Sir, is there such thing as dark?"

Once again, the professor responded "Of course there is." And once again, the student replied. "Actually, sir, darkness does not
exist. Darkness is really only the absence of light. Darkness is only a term man developed to describe what happens when there is no light present."

Finally, the young man asked, "Sir, is there such thing as evil?"
The professor responded, "Of course. We have rapes, and murders and violence everywhere in the world, those things are evil."

The student replied, "Actually, sir, evil does not exist. Evil is imply the absence of God. Evil is a term man developed to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. It isn't like truth, or love, which exist as virtues like heat and light. Evil is simply the state where God is not present, like cold without heat or darkness without light."

The professor had nothing to say.

Embracer Of Darkness · Post by **Embracer Of Darkness** » 2003-06-27 06:47am

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-06-27 07:15am

Interesting logic

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-06-27 07:19am

Does anyone else find these mindless fundie bullshit story myths that puts on display for all to see their total lack of common sense or even knowledge about their own fucking religion annoying?

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-06-27 07:21am

Unfortunately flawed. I say good is the abscence of god. Disprove.

Not to mention, going by their bible, god has done countless evil things.

InnerBrat · Post by **InnerBrat** » 2003-06-27 07:27am

Actually I was thinking abu this a couple of days ago, and was going to start a thread of my own.

Taking God out of the equation for a mo...

... are good/evil negative opposites? That is, is one merely the absence of the other, and which one is the positive?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-06-27 09:06am

Enforcer Talen wrote:The student replied, "Actually, sir, evil does not exist. Evil is imply the absence of God. Evil is a term man developed to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. It isn't like truth, or love, which exist as virtues like heat and light. Evil is simply the state where God is not present, like cold without heat or darkness without light."

The professor had nothing to say.

The professor was obviously a retard (a common ailment in fundie Chick-style stories). Given examples of evil such as murder or torture or hatred, and the fact that God himself commits these acts, it is impossible for evil to be defined as an absence of God.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2003-06-27 09:48am

"Considering that there is an abscene of God in everything, I fail to see your logic."

Glass Pearl Player · Post by **Glass Pearl Player** » 2003-06-27 10:18am

Isn't God assumed to be omnipresent? If so, there cannot be any evil. But there is, therefore an omnipresent God does not exist.

BTW, if one defines 'evil' as 'absence of God', one automatically -or implicitly- assumes that God does exist. That is exactly where the logic of that story blows up: You can attempt to prove God's existence (but due to Douglas Adams, such an attempt is futile almost by definition) or simply assume (some might say: believe) that God exists. But one cannot attempt to do the former after doing the latter.

On the term "Proof": the german word for it is "Beweis", coming from the verb "beweisen", which in turn comes from the verb "weisen". A common usage for that word: "jemandem den Weg weisen", "to show someone the way". In that case: to show the way of reasoning that leads to the conlcusion that God exists. Obviously, a way cannot start at its destination, therefore one cannot asume that God exists is when trying to prove his/her/its/their existence. Did that make any sense?

OTOH, Wong's way of reasoning leads much quicker to the same conclusion: that this story is gehirnamputiert (I wonder if you find that in a dictionary).

Having said enough for today, let me quote Garak from DS9 on such topics like good and bad and evil: "Treachery, like beauty, lies solely within the eye of the beholder."

Glass Pearl Player · Post by **Glass Pearl Player** » 2003-06-27 10:21am

Hey cool! I'm a redshirt now!!!
*pauses*
*remembers what happens to redshirts who have something to say at the beginning of a ST:Classic episode*
Oh oh...

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-06-27 10:27am

*Giant plant eats redshirt*

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2003-06-27 10:47am

i can pehaps belive that "Evil" is an absence of "good". that would be a more logical extention of the argument. and say because their is no such tang as evil (except the absence of evil) than "god" did not create "evil". but then there is the whole business of proving the existence of god which this happy little chick-ism fails to do anyway. Hey, at least the fundies are making an attempt to learn some science.

InnerBrat · Post by **InnerBrat** » 2003-06-27 11:15am

But maybe 'good' is in fact the absence of 'evil'...

Xenophobe3691 · Post by **Xenophobe3691** » 2003-06-27 11:24am

Or Maybe Good and Evil are just transient forms of rules controlling the behavior of one human being to another.

They're looking for depth in the rainbow of an oil slick...

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2003-06-27 01:23pm

Darth Wong wrote:
Enforcer Talen wrote:The student replied, "Actually, sir, evil does not exist. Evil is imply the absence of God. Evil is a term man developed to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. It isn't like truth, or love, which exist as virtues like heat and light. Evil is simply the state where God is not present, like cold without heat or darkness without light."

The professor had nothing to say.
The professor was obviously a retard (a common ailment in fundie Chick-style stories). Given examples of evil such as murder or torture or hatred, and the fact that God himself commits these acts, it is impossible for evil to be defined as an absence of God.

Couple that with the blindingly obvious fact that the greatest evil ever committed on the face of the Earth was in the name of this God, and there is only one inescapable deduction: God is Evil, always has been, always will be. God must be eliminated.

Yuri Prime · Post by **Yuri Prime** » 2003-06-27 01:27pm

Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:
Enforcer Talen wrote:The student replied, "Actually, sir, evil does not exist. Evil is imply the absence of God. Evil is a term man developed to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. It isn't like truth, or love, which exist as virtues like heat and light. Evil is simply the state where God is not present, like cold without heat or darkness without light."

The professor had nothing to say.
The professor was obviously a retard (a common ailment in fundie Chick-style stories). Given examples of evil such as murder or torture or hatred, and the fact that God himself commits these acts, it is impossible for evil to be defined as an absence of God.
Couple that with the blindingly obvious fact that the greatest evil ever committed on the face of the Earth was in the name of this God, and there is only one inescapable deduction: God is Evil, always has been, always will be. God must be eliminated.

Shouldn't be too hard. All we'll need are some iron charriots....

Dark Hellion · Post by **Dark Hellion** » 2003-06-27 01:52pm

Hessinburgs uncertainty principle already proves god is an evil asshole, so logically, good is the absence of god.
Take that god.

Andrew J. · Post by **Andrew J.** » 2003-06-27 02:26pm

innerbrat wrote: ... are good/evil negative opposites? That is, is one merely the absence of the other, and which one is the positive?

Wasn't there a Calvin and Hobbes strip that asked a question like that? Had something to do with Calvin getting on Santa's "Good List," as I recall.

As for the question itself, no. Otherwise, how would you explain D&D characters with a "neutral" alignement?

SyntaxVorlon · Post by **SyntaxVorlon** » 2003-06-27 03:09pm

Andrew J. wrote:
innerbrat wrote: ... are good/evil negative opposites? That is, is one merely the absence of the other, and which one is the positive?
Wasn't there a Calvin and Hobbes strip that asked a question like that? Had something to do with Calvin getting on Santa's "Good List," as I recall.

As for the question itself, no. Otherwise, how would you explain D&D characters with a "neutral" alignement?

Calvin & Hobbes discussed theology thinly veiled in the naughty or nice routine.
Calvin in that strip was a better philosopher than Calvin in real life was.

NapoleonGH · Post by **NapoleonGH** » 2003-06-27 04:16pm

isnt the easier response:

no silly student, evil is the absense of GOOD, not god

Macross · Post by **Macross** » 2003-06-27 11:53pm

Darth Wong wrote:
Enforcer Talen wrote:The student replied, "Actually, sir, evil does not exist. Evil is imply the absence of God. Evil is a term man developed to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. It isn't like truth, or love, which exist as virtues like heat and light. Evil is simply the state where God is not present, like cold without heat or darkness without light."

The professor had nothing to say.
The professor was obviously a retard (a common ailment in fundie Chick-style stories). Given examples of evil such as murder or torture or hatred, and the fact that God himself commits these acts, it is impossible for evil to be defined as an absence of God.

My mother is a Sunday school teacher and she gets these kinds of stories all the time in her e-mail. These types of stories always involve a nameless professor/teacher/scholar at some nameless institute. The professor always declares that he will disprove the existance of god through some overly simplistic experiment, obsevation or use of logic. Then such experiment or observation is easily rebutted by a 'faithful student', the story always ends with the professor being flustered, rendered speechless or otherwise embarrased.

Another such story has a profesor "prove" that god deosnt exist by dropping an egg. The professor says that if god exists then the egg will not break when it hits the ground, enter the "faithful student." He prays and the professor drops the egg it rools down his sleave, into his shirt, down his pant leg and comes out intact on his shoe. The professor then runs away embarrased and speechless while the "faithful student" preaches about god.

And my personal favorite goes like this. A student asks his teacher if there is a God. The teacher replies, if you go outside and look up, do you see god? No, replies the boy. The teacher says, "Since you cant see him then he doesnt exist." Enter the "faithful student." who asks the boy, "Can you see your brain?" No, replies the boy. "But you brain exists yet you can not see it, therefore god exists but you can not see him."

These stories are always good for laugh. Too bad people actually take these seriously.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-06-28 12:03am

I think I would just say, "Can you prove Good is created by God, taking into consideration all the murder, rape, and torture directly ordered by God? In that case, God himself violates the Ten Commandments he himself dictated to Moses."

If the kid comes up with some stupid, "Can you see your brain?" thing, I'd just say, "On what grounds do you hold the brain and God as on a similar analogy?" or something like that.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-06-28 12:11am

The professor paused for a moment.

"And an F for Mr. Thomas; further, I am recommending you to the school counsler, psychiatrist, and the local McDonalds. Are there any other questions?"

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-06-28 12:18am

There is an obvious reply.

A lack of good is apathy, since a good act left undone is simply no action. Evil exists, and yet an absense of evil isn't good. Not unless you live in a perverted moral system.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2003-06-28 12:33am

An even simpler reply:
"By your own doctrine, God is omnipresent. You prove incapable of even agreeing with yourself."

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