Destruction of Endor: Was it nessecary

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2003-06-28 11:34pm

People seem to be debating weather or not it happned. Assuming it actually did (I'm talking about the DS2 debris), was it nessicary?? Should the rebels have let palpy keep his invincible death star just to save the ewoks???

I'm going with no.

EDIT: Just to clarify, i'm saying no to letting plapy keep the DS2
(I cant think right when existing only on caffiene at 11:30)

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-06-28 11:57pm

Course not, primitives perhaps numbering in the very low millions are quite expendable in such a conflict. Even if the Rebels wanted to evac them I doubt they could, I'm sure there is some form of animal control driod in Star Wars that could go around with a dumpster rounding them up, its just unlikely thousands where available at short notice. While the Ewoks that helped fight the Empire might go around it the rest are unlikely to want to go with the strangers who came around the same time the sky filled with falling debris and the sun was blocked out with dust.

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2003-06-29 12:49am

I got the impression from the films that the Rebels didn't even know about the Ewoks. They probably assumed that Endor was as good as gone, anyway.

Although I do theorize that the Rebels hoped to minimize collateral damage. I can't think of any other reason why their cruisers would "create a perimeter", as Ackbar said.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-06-29 01:18am

SPOOFE wrote:
Although I do theorize that the Rebels hoped to minimize collateral damage. I can't think of any other reason why their cruisers would "create a perimeter", as Ackbar said.

To cover the tunnel entrances against Imperial fighters, to guard against reinforcements coming out of hyperspace, simply a name of a formation.. There are a whole lot of reasons why you would secure the site of an all out attack critical to the continued existence of the Rebellion.

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2003-06-29 01:58am

To cover the tunnel entrances against Imperial fighters

Their perimeter, according to the visual evidence, was dozens of kilometers from the entry points. That couldn't have been the reason.

to guard against reinforcements coming out of hyperspace

Then why would they bother putting ships between the Death Star and the moon?

simply a name of a formation

Nomenclature only goes so far. A perimeter's a perimeter.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-06-29 02:01am

It would be in character for the Emperor to have tested the DS2 on Endor as soon as it was complete.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-06-29 02:04am

Howedar wrote:It would be in character for the Emperor to have tested the DS2 on Endor as soon as it was complete.

Or to eliminate the evidence.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-06-29 09:27am

Or to watch the pretty fireworks.

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2003-06-29 12:32pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:Course not, primitives perhaps numbering in the very low millions are quite expendable in such a conflict. Even if the Rebels wanted to evac them I doubt they could, I'm sure there is some form of animal control driod in Star Wars that could go around with a dumpster rounding them up, its just unlikely thousands where available at short notice. While the Ewoks that helped fight the Empire might go around it the rest are unlikely to want to go with the strangers who came around the same time the sky filled with falling debris and the sun was blocked out with dust.

I totally agree.

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2003-06-29 12:36pm

YT300000 wrote:
Sea Skimmer wrote:Course not, primitives perhaps numbering in the very low millions are quite expendable in such a conflict. Even if the Rebels wanted to evac them I doubt they could, I'm sure there is some form of animal control driod in Star Wars that could go around with a dumpster rounding them up, its just unlikely thousands where available at short notice. While the Ewoks that helped fight the Empire might go around it the rest are unlikely to want to go with the strangers who came around the same time the sky filled with falling debris and the sun was blocked out with dust.
I totally agree.

As do I.

Now, what about alderaan????

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2003-06-29 12:37pm

Darksider wrote: As do I.

Now, what about alderaan????

It was an effective demonstration.

Unfortunately, instead of suppressing the rebels, it emboldened them.

Leading to the fall of our glorious Empire.

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2003-06-29 04:47pm

The destruction of Alderaan alone wasn't as effective as Tarkin had hoped. However, the destruction of Alderaan, coupled with the success of the destruction of Yavin IV (if it had worked) would have gone a long way to suppressing dissention.

Remember, the only reason the Rebels were "emboldened" was because they had access to the secret plans for the station... and knew how to kill it. If they didn't have those plans, they would have seen the attack as hopeless... and, well, you know how people get when they don't have any hope.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-06-29 07:05pm

SPOOFE wrote: Their perimeter, according to the visual evidence, was dozens of kilometers from the entry points. That couldn't have been the reason.

Your claiming they cant hit a fighter from dozens of kilometers away with light speed weapons?

Then why would they bother putting ships between the Death Star and the moon?

Because by that point in the battle the rebel fleet had pulled back from the Imperial fleet and was bombarding the Death Star II's surface. They may have orbited to get a shot at somthing, an exposed secondary reactor perhapes.

Nomenclature only goes so far. A perimeter's a perimeter.

Unhun, and you form a traditional perimeter to secure an area. So logically that’s what they where planning to do. Yet you’re the one arguing otherwise. The Rebel commando team was not surprised by the presence of the Executor and to star destroyers so forming a perimeter to keep them away from the fighter attack makes perfect sense.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-06-29 07:06pm

Endor was an essentially worthless world to the Alliance. It had no major strategic value, no major resources, and no significant facilities. The Alliance would have had to have moved a shield generator onto the Forest Moon of Endor within seconds after the DS's explosion just to prevent the Ewoks from slowly losing the atmosphere from around themselves. Thus, the Alliance would have had no real way of stopping it.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-06-29 07:08pm

Darksider wrote: As do I.

Now, what about alderaan????

What do you mean what about Alderaan? Tarkin destroyed it as a demonstration, he stated so much in the film and the Rebellion couldn't do anything to stop it.

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2003-06-29 08:02pm

SPOOFE wrote:The destruction of Alderaan alone wasn't as effective as Tarkin had hoped. However, the destruction of Alderaan, coupled with the success of the destruction of Yavin IV (if it had worked) would have gone a long way to suppressing dissention.

Remember, the only reason the Rebels were "emboldened" was because they had access to the secret plans for the station... and knew how to kill it. If they didn't have those plans, they would have seen the attack as hopeless... and, well, you know how people get when they don't have any hope.

By emboldened I meant that they developed an even stronger hatred of the Empire.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-06-30 12:24am

Or, they would have developed an even stronger fear of the Empire. If, that is, they hadn't had the plans.

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2003-06-30 04:34am

Your claiming they cant hit a fighter from dozens of kilometers away with light speed weapons?

Am I claiming that they CAN'T? Hell no. Am I claiming that it's not very likely for the cruisers to do so? Yup.

Because by that point in the battle the rebel fleet had pulled back from the Imperial fleet and was bombarding the Death Star II's surface.

At the point when they came up with the battle plan - when Ackbar said that the cruiser will "create a perimeter" - they had no idea that there would be no Imperial fleet to pull back from. And they clearly knew that bombarding the DS2's surface wouldn't be what destroyed the station, hence the attack launched on the reactor core.

No, having the cruisers surround the Death Star did NOT have the primary purpose of damaging the station. Any damage was likely secondary, such as targeting gun emplacements so as to keep their position protected.

They may have orbited to get a shot at somthing, an exposed secondary reactor perhapes.

"We're going to have our cruisers surround the station, so that they might possibly MAYBE be able to do SOME sort of damage, perhaps, despite the fact that it puts them in greater danger."

Yeah. THAT's it.

Unhun, and you form a traditional perimeter to secure an area.

I don't know which Police Quest games you played to get that sort of Genius-Level tactical information, but in the Real World (not the TV show), you don't "secure" an area that you're planning on blowing up.