India/Pakistan dick-waving.

LordShaithis · Post by **LordShaithis** » 2003-06-30 02:17am

I find this amusing.

Indian Defense Minister: "[Pakistan has built] some tanks called Al Khalid in collaboration with China. However, this tank is not superior to the [Arjun] tanks being inducted in the Indian Army."

Pakistandefense.com: "Pakistan already has an edge over India in an armed conflict, but after the addition of Al-Khalid, Pakistan would be invincible in a land war."

I rather like that last one. All it needs is "MUAHAHAHAHA!" at the end. Anyway, I understand the Arjun is essentially a lemon that can't hit the broad side of a barn with it's main gun, but what about this Pakistani tank? Anyone know anything about it? Here's the official gov't "We are INVINCIBLE!" fluff piece:

http://www.pakistanidefence.com/PakArmy ... T2000.html

LordShaithis · Post by **LordShaithis** » 2003-06-30 02:20am

PS - Iran reportedly wants to buy some Khalids, so maybe we'll get to blow some up soon.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-06-30 03:06am

Arjun is dead, with only 124 vehicles produced and no plans for additional orders.

The Al-Khalid is all right, and much better then most of India's tanks which are mostly early 80's T-72's with 350mm RHA equivalent protection and even older jobs. And India's 300 odd T-90's are largely counter balanced by Pakistan's similar number of T-80U's. However India is beginning preparation to license produce 1000 additional T-90's and its highly unlikely Pakistan and afford that many Al-Khalid's. The T-90's Sniper missiles gives it a big advantage at long range. India's large advantage in all other arms would really hurt Pak tanks in action.

PS - Iran reportedly wants to buy some Khalids, so maybe we'll get to blow some up soon

I highly doubt that. Iran has already developed its own 125mm gun armed tank and in general is interested in developing its own capabilities rather then importing equipment or manufacturing copies.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-06-30 03:17am

AHAHAHAHA!!! I love these parts.

Al-Khalid is one of the newest and one of the most deadliest [sic] tanks in the world.

It is the only tank that has the ability to auto-track the enemy's tanks. Only French tanks have this capability. I thought Al-Khalid was the only one? And how the fuck does one "auto-track" the enemy?

The Al-Khalid tank's performance is much better than the Russian T-90-S tank, since its designed extreme temperatures. LOL!

The ballistic computation time is less than one second. Wow, I could sell them my calculator for big bucks.

Al-Khalid is far more modern than India's Arjun, which took 25 years to be developed and is still not completed. Pakistan already has an edge over India in an armed conflict, but after the addition of Al-Khalid, Pakistan would be invincible in a land war. Naturally, this one is the creme of the crop, stupid-comment wise.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-06-30 03:17am

Fear the ULTIMATE WAR MACHINE!!!

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-06-30 03:21am

Well that's all nice and all, Pakistan, but...

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-06-30 03:25am

Automatic target tracking is fielded by more then just France. Basically if you have a thermal target that is sufficiently distinct the fire control computer can follow it automatically. Though the crew must designate it as a target. Its really pretty pointless, since if the target is already distinct on thermal and the gunner already has laid his sight on it you might as well just fire then.

LordShaithis · Post by **LordShaithis** » 2003-06-30 04:23am

It's not a bad looking machine, really, and seems reasonably competent for the region. What's the Iranian tank called?

Also, will it make Iran INVINCIBLE?

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-06-30 04:28am

GrandAdmiralPrawn wrote:It's not a bad looking machine, really, and seems reasonably competent for the region. What's the Iranian tank called?

Zulfiqar, and very little is known beyond it uses suspension similar to that of the M60 and has the gun and autoloader of the T-72.

LordShaithis · Post by **LordShaithis** » 2003-06-30 04:33am

Oh Jesus, too funny.

http://www.paknews.org/specialNews.php? ... 2003-04-29

Pakistan: "omfg d00d, india keeps h4xx0r1ng us!!1! WTF?! tehy spam our email n stuff!!!"

How did these idiots get nuclear weapons!?

Alex Moon · Post by **Alex Moon** » 2003-06-30 05:02am

GrandAdmiralPrawn wrote:How did these idiots get nuclear weapons!?

They scraped the luminous stuff off 1200 glow-in-the-dark watches.
[a cookie to the first one to guess the reference.]

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-06-30 05:23am

Alex Moon wrote:
They scraped the luminous stuff off 1200 glow-in-the-dark watches.
[a cookie to the first one to guess the reference.]

Well tritium is a key part of building effective thermonuclear bombs. Though the amounts on watches are measured in millicuries and are not what I'd call a viable source.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-06-30 05:43am

I mock the puny Pakistani tanks.

India's T-90S tanks have the edge over Pakistan's T-80UD force in terms of fire control (they have a superior thermal imager over the basic T-90S model, and only some of Pakistan's T-80UDs even *have* a thermal imager) and they are equal in speed/power-to-weight ratio (India's tanks have a 1,000hp V-92S2 Russian diesel- compared to 840hp V-84 on the standard T-90, while Pakistan's tanks have a 1,000hp Ukranian diesel) as well as armor (I presume- the full standard T-90 weighs more than the export T-90S, though as pointed out India's T-90s are better over the handful of Russian Army T-90s in some ways).

Pakistan was initially supposed to get T-84s (special Ukranian versions of the T-80UD) but in the end they just got Ukranian Army T-80UDs.

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2003-06-30 06:00am

GrandAdmiralPrawn wrote:Oh Jesus, too funny.

http://www.paknews.org/specialNews.php? ... 2003-04-29

Pakistan: "omfg d00d, india keeps h4xx0r1ng us!!1! WTF?! tehy spam our email n stuff!!!"

How did these idiots get nuclear weapons!?

Well both countries are dumbasses IMNSHO.

If they ever start WWIII, I wish Unholy Thermonuclear Death of Much Burning +1+1+1 (yes, that's a new AD&D spell I just made up. It does 2.0x10^6D20 Fire Damage, 1.2x10^5D20 Blast Damage, and 6.0x10^3D20 Radiation Damage over Time. Area Effect Range: 50 KM)

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-06-30 06:28am

Only India has even tested a thermonuclear bomb, and their tests fizzled. Actually so did a number of Pakistani and Indian atomic bomb tests. Combine that with the shit for delivery systems and the threat is rather limited.

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2003-06-30 07:39am

Alex Moon wrote:
GrandAdmiralPrawn wrote:How did these idiots get nuclear weapons!?
They scraped the luminous stuff off 1200 glow-in-the-dark watches.
[a cookie to the first one to guess the reference.]

Bloom County.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-06-30 08:00am

*points in general direction of Pakistani DoD*

Fools! I mock you!

Lonestar · Post by **Lonestar** » 2003-06-30 11:43am

Patrick Degan wrote:
Alex Moon wrote:
GrandAdmiralPrawn wrote:How did these idiots get nuclear weapons!?
They scraped the luminous stuff off 1200 glow-in-the-dark watches.
[a cookie to the first one to guess the reference.]
Bloom County.

Damn, you beat me to it.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2003-06-30 12:16pm

It is the men inside the tanks that will win the battle.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-06-30 12:20pm

Wicked Pilot wrote:It is the men inside the tanks that will win the battle.

A given in these sorts of discussions, no? You are clearly SPAMMING!

Oberleutnant · Post by **Oberleutnant** » 2003-06-30 01:16pm

I wonder if Al-Khalid's autoloader is similar to T-72's. Somehow it wouldn't surprise me.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-06-30 01:50pm

Never get involved in a land war in Asia.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2003-06-30 02:08pm

HemlockGrey wrote:Never get involved in a land war in Asia.

Well, what if you're Asian? How are you supposed to fight, then?

Death from the Sea · Post by **Death from the Sea** » 2003-06-30 02:10pm

HemlockGrey wrote:Never get involved in a land war in Asia.

and only slightly less known is never bet a Sicilian when death is on the line!
AHAHAHAHAHA*thud*

Lonestar · Post by **Lonestar** » 2003-06-30 02:32pm

Wicked Pilot wrote:It is the men inside the tanks that will win the battle.

News to the Iraqi Armor Corps, I'm sure.