Slave-1 vs Wolf 359 fleet

[FOG3]

Okay Jango comes across the Wolf 359 fleet as it was being assembled. Some paranoid UFP staffer acidently fires at him so he decides to fight. Does the Wolf 359 fleet die prematurely?

[Tribun]

Jango thursts hith high speed through the formation, and drops some seismic charges.
BOOOOM!

Ooopsie, half the fleet destroyed!
Well, Torpedos with a limit of 190 at a minimum do the rest.....

[Traceroute]

The Borg would just have an easier time at Wolf 359. In either case, it's a clear display of power by the Borg, since I doubt the Fed would distinguish between damage done by an SW bounty hunter and a Borg ship.

[Lord Poe]

Okay Jango comes across the Wolf 359 fleet as it was being assembled. Some paranoid UFP staffer acidently fires at him so he decides to fight. Does the Wolf 359 fleet die prematurely?

No.

Fett would get out of the area ASAP, after seeing a fleet of capital ships all over the sector. Why would he try to fight them? Especially ships that are an unknown power to him?

[YT300000]

Okay Jango comes across the Wolf 359 fleet as it was being assembled. Some paranoid UFP staffer acidently fires at him so he decides to fight. Does the Wolf 359 fleet die prematurely?

No.

Fett would get out of the area ASAP, after seeing a fleet of capital ships all over the sector. Why would he try to fight them? Especially ships that are an unknown power to him?

That depends. If he saw how pathetic the Federation is, and reasoned that the fleet needed to be neutralized, he would easily kill them all.

[Eleas]

That depends. If he saw how pathetic the Federation is, and reasoned that the fleet needed to be neutralized, he would easily kill them all.

...and he would magically see this... how? Besides which, what reason would he have for attacking?

[Mitth`raw`nuruodo]

That depends. If he saw how pathetic the Federation is, and reasoned that the fleet needed to be neutralized, he would easily kill them all.

...and he would magically see this... how? Besides which, what reason would he have for attacking?

to the first sentence: His ship most likely has the uber-sensors that all other SW ships seem to have, so he can see EV-RY-THING-G (sorry, watched Toy Story recently, funny movie)

to the 2nd: UFP ship fired on him first.

[Traceroute]

I doubt he'd be so far from home without a specific mission and some reasonable intelligence. Our dear bounty hunter may be a bit touchy, but he didn't seem to be particularly stupid.

Or, perhaps that is his mission. Large fleet gathered at Wolf 359 - let's hose them with a disposable bounty hunter. The Empire certainly has firepower to spare, but why not take the opportunity if presented with it?

[Solauren]

I think he'd actually hail them and ask what the fuck they were doing (he's in a patrol craft, and warships are firing on him) to a man just passing through the area.

The Federation would probably stop firing on him to respond (the Borg don't hail like that after all) and tell him why they are assembled and advise him to leave.

At which point, he offers his services in the fight, and hangs around to watch if they refuse.

When the Cube arrives, he watches half the fleet get destroyed, notes the Borg firepower, laughts, goes in, uses his Seismic Charges on the Borg cube, then negotiates with Starfleet for the return of there ships and to sell them some seismic charges and better weapons.

Fett retires a very rich man after buying Risia

[Howedar]

I don't think Fett has enough missiles to kill them all.

[Jawawithagun]

I think he'd actually hail them and ask what the fuck they were doing (he's in a patrol craft, and warships are firing on him) to a man just passing through the area.

The Federation would probably stop firing on him to respond (the Borg don't hail like that after all) and tell him why they are assembled and advise him to leave.

At which point, he offers his services in the fight, and hangs around to watch if they refuse.

When the Cube arrives, he watches half the fleet get destroyed, notes the Borg firepower, laughts, goes in, uses his Seismic Charges on the Borg cube, then negotiates with Starfleet for the return of there ships and to sell them some seismic charges and better weapons.

Fett retires a very rich man after buying Risia

Seems to be the most reasonable scenario.

[YT300000]

That depends. If he saw how pathetic the Federation is, and reasoned that the fleet needed to be neutralized, he would easily kill them all.

...and he would magically see this... how?

Fett would get intel on the feddies before he encountered them. Plus his sensors will quickly tell him that poking the warp core is enought to make the ships self-destruct.

Besides which, what reason would he have for attacking?

They attacked him first. He would merely be retaliating.

[Eleas]

Fett would get intel on the feddies before he encountered them. Plus his sensors will quickly tell him that poking the warp core is enought to make the ships self-destruct.

Really? That wasn't specified in the original post at all, and it would grant Fett a huge advantage, something that he patently does not need. Besides which, I'd like you to present the calcs proving that Federation shields are similar enough to SW shields to allow accurate estimates, let alone the idiotic assertion that Slave II's sensor system can analyze the entire workings of a ship's components and find specific weaknesses in a completely unknown tech base.

Besides which, what reason would he have for attacking?

They attacked him first. He would merely be retaliating.

Hmm... let's follow your logic. Your small gunboat happens to run into a US fleet and a paranoid sailor fires a single shot. You, of course, immediately retailate. Yes, I can see this happen, roughly the same time a commercial airport for pigs is inaugurated.

[YT300000]

Fett would get intel on the feddies before he encountered them. Plus his sensors will quickly tell him that poking the warp core is enought to make the ships self-destruct.

Really? That wasn't specified in the original post at all, and it would grant Fett a huge advantage, something that he patently does not need. Besides which, I'd like you to present the calcs proving that Federation shields are similar enough to SW shields to allow accurate estimates, let alone the idiotic assertion that Slave II's sensor system can analyze the entire workings of a ship's components and find specific weaknesses in a completely unknown tech base.

ST sensors can scan ST ships even if their shields are up. ST sensors are so crappy that they can't target enemy ships well.

The Slave 1, which has a powerful sensor suite, by SW levels, should have no problem scanning the ship.

Anyway, both Fetts always learned all they could about potential enemies before encountering them.

Besides which, what reason would he have for attacking?

They attacked him first. He would merely be retaliating.

Hmm... let's follow your logic. Your small gunboat happens to run into a US fleet and a paranoid sailor fires a single shot. You, of course, immediately retailate. Yes, I can see this happen, roughly the same time a commercial airport for pigs is inaugurated.

[/quote]

Bad analogy. A better one would be:

And a paranoid crewer fires a heavy gun at me, it hits my gunboat and does no damage at all. Having scanned the fleet of ships with my super sensor suite, I realize that my gunboats weapons can destroy this fleet in a dozen seconds.

Lets see. I am a bounty hunter. As Han Solo once said: "I like shooting first. As opposed to shooting second." So I fire my super powerful weaponry, and blow up half the fleet. Then I blow up the other half. Then I leave, and no one's the wiser.

[Striderteen]

A warp core would probably register as an unknown system on Fett's sensors, but they should be able to detect that the UFP ships' weapons and shields are much weaker than his own.

[Solid Snake]

A warp core would probably register as an unknown system on Fett's sensors, but they should be able to detect that the UFP ships' weapons and shields are much weaker than his own.

...There seems to be a device generating power... I wonder what it is?

[Soulman]

Lets see. I am a bounty hunter. As Han Solo once said: "I like shooting first. As opposed to shooting second." So I fire my super powerful weaponry, and blow up half the fleet. Then I blow up the other half. Then I leave, and no one's the wiser.

So he wastes munitions/fuel destroying a fleet of ships that are of no threat to him? WAY TO MAKE PROFITS MR BOUNTY HUNTER MAN!!!

[Soontir C'boath]

So he wastes munitions/fuel destroying a fleet of ships that are of no threat to him? WAY TO MAKE PROFITS MR BOUNTY HUNTER MAN!!!

He can contact the Romulans about it and try to get a station to be able to stay. After all he has to resupply somewhere.~Jason

[neoolong]

Why not just fix the scenario so that they have to fight? Then it gets into who would win as opposed to whether they would in the first place.

[Soontir C'boath]

But that would turn into SW fighter and SW ships scenario......that's on that sticky.......~Jason

[Soontir C'boath]

Wait a sec..*rereads*..then that means this shouldn't even be here at all.... ~Jason

[Eleas]

Fett would get intel on the feddies before he encountered them. Plus his sensors will quickly tell him that poking the warp core is enought to make the ships self-destruct.

Really? That wasn't specified in the original post at all, and it would grant Fett a huge advantage, something that he patently does not need. Besides which, I'd like you to present the calcs proving that Federation shields are similar enough to SW shields to allow accurate estimates, let alone the idiotic assertion that Slave II's sensor system can analyze the entire workings of a ship's components and find specific weaknesses in a completely unknown tech base.

ST sensors can scan ST ships even if their shields are up. ST sensors are so crappy that they can't target enemy ships well.

The Slave 1, which has a powerful sensor suite, by SW levels, should have no problem scanning the ship.

I am trying really hard to avoid insulting you now. Instead, I will simply note that you are equating scanning a ship with analysing its interior workings in minute detail, as well as not providing any proof of your assertions whatsoever.

Anyway, both Fetts always learned all they could about potential enemies before encountering them.

A statement that carries no more weight than "Kirk is resourceful, so he will win."

Hmm... let's follow your logic. Your small gunboat happens to run into a US fleet and a paranoid sailor fires a single shot. You, of course, immediately retailate. Yes, I can see this happen, roughly the same time a commercial airport for pigs is inaugurated.

Bad analogy. A better one would be:

And a paranoid crewer fires a heavy gun at me, it hits my gunboat and does no damage at all.

And you, with your vast mobility, will allow capital ship fire to impact on your ship, and instantly know it wasn't a warning shot... why?

Having scanned the fleet of ships with my super sensor suite, I realize that my gunboats weapons can destroy this fleet in a dozen seconds.

I can no longer avoid insulting you, since you seem hell-bent on telegraphing your stupidity openly. You did not answer my question, so I'll post it again, in the hopes that you were merely visually, as opposed to mentally, deficient.

I'd like you to present the calcs proving that Federation shields are similar enough to SW shields to allow accurate estimates, let alone the idiotic assertion that Slave II's sensor system can analyze the entire workings of a ship's components and find specific weaknesses in a completely unknown tech base.

Lets see. I am a bounty hunter.

You're a loony.

As Han Solo once said: "I like shooting first. As opposed to shooting second."

Ah, Han Solo, intrepid bounty hunter extraordinaire.

So I fire my super powerful weaponry, and blow up half the fleet. Then I blow up the other half. Then I leave, and no one's the wiser.

The reason why you failed to read my arguments against your mindless tirade is lost on me, but judging by the above post, I guess it was too difficult to see through the sperm stuck to your monitor. Please wipe it off and then try to comprehend this: you must post proof of why Jango Fett, a pragmatist to end all pragmatists, suddenly would decide to stay and fight a sixty ship strong fleet of unknown ships for no fucking reason.

Jeez. Never have text formatting tools been so necessary.

[neoolong]

But that would turn into SW fighter and SW ships scenario......that's on that sticky.......~Jason

So either they fight or he leaves. There really isn't that much of a debate going on.

[Striderteen]

A warp core would probably register as an unknown system on Fett's sensors, but they should be able to detect that the UFP ships' weapons and shields are much weaker than his own.

...There seems to be a device generating power... I wonder what it is?

I thought Federation ships used matter-antimatter reactors for power, and the warp core was just for FTL propulsion?

[YT300000]

I am trying really hard to avoid insulting you now. Instead, I will simply note that you are equating scanning a ship with analysing its interior workings in minute detail, as well as not providing any proof of your assertions whatsoever.

The MRX-BR Pacifier is a small scout craft, with a sensor suite comparable to that of the Slave 1. From orbit, it can count the number of leaves on a tree with ease in under a second.

Anyway, both Fetts always learned all they could about potential enemies before encountering them.

A statement that carries no more weight than "Kirk is resourceful, so he will win."

My statement carries more weight. Fett enters the ST galaxy. He learns as much as possible about this galaxy's politics, organizations and weapons, as quickly as possible. That information is what his life depends on.

Hmm... let's follow your logic. Your small gunboat happens to run into a US fleet and a paranoid sailor fires a single shot. You, of course, immediately retailate. Yes, I can see this happen, roughly the same time a commercial airport for pigs is inaugurated.

Bad analogy. A better one would be:

And a paranoid crewer fires a heavy gun at me, it hits my gunboat and does no damage at all.

And you, with your vast mobility, will allow capital ship fire to impact on your ship, and instantly know it wasn't a warning shot... why?

I won't. Good point.

Having scanned the fleet of ships with my super sensor suite, I realize that my gunboats weapons can destroy this fleet in a dozen seconds.

I can no longer avoid insulting you, since you seem hell-bent on telegraphing your stupidity openly. You did not answer my question, so I'll post it again, in the hopes that you were merely visually, as opposed to mentally, deficient.

I'd like you to present the calcs proving that Federation shields are similar enough to SW shields to allow accurate estimates, let alone the idiotic assertion that Slave II's sensor system can analyze the entire workings of a ship's components and find specific weaknesses in a completely unknown tech base.

I don't know for sure, but I really doubt that the shields will be able to block the Slave 1's Pacifier level scans. Anyway, the fleet wouldn't have its shields up yet, as they were not under attack. All that happened was that one paranoid officer fired at the Slave 1.

Lets see. I am a bounty hunter.

You're a loony.

That's why I debate in this forum.

As Han Solo once said: "I like shooting first. As opposed to shooting second."

Ah, Han Solo, intrepid bounty hunter extraordinaire.

No, but he managed to survive pretty well on that idea. In Fett's line of work, I'd think he would develop the same outlook on life.

So I fire my super powerful weaponry, and blow up half the fleet. Then I blow up the other half. Then I leave, and no one's the wiser.

The reason why you failed to read my arguments against your mindless tirade is lost on me, but judging by the above post, I guess it was too difficult to see through the sperm stuck to your monitor. Please wipe it off and then try to comprehend this: you must post proof of why Jango Fett, a pragmatist to end all pragmatists, suddenly would decide to stay and fight a sixty ship strong fleet of unknown ships for no fucking reason.

Jeez. Never have text formatting tools been so necessary.

The entire purpose of this thread is what would happen if they fought.

From the original posters post: Some paranoid UFP staffer acidently fires at him so he decides to fight.

I was following the thread outline.