Aborted foetuses as Egg Donors

[InnerBrat]

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I just want to know - what the Hells is Life's problem? Why, exactly, is this so "utterly groteque" and am I abnormal to not be repulsed by it?

[Alyrium Denryle]

Doesnt bother me at all.

[Tsyroc]

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I just want to know - what the Hells is Life's problem? Why, exactly, is this so "utterly groteque" and am I abnormal to not be repulsed by it?

My initial reaciton was that it was gross but after looking at the article I certainly don't see what the problem is but I have to wonder why we'd even want to do this. Do we really need to keep pushing the lengths we'll go so infertile couples can have children?

[Tosho]

Doesnt bother me at all.

Me neither. The fetuses to be blunt don't need them, why not give them to desperate couples?

[Edi]

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I just want to know - what the Hells is Life's problem? Why, exactly, is this so "utterly groteque" and am I abnormal to not be repulsed by it?

My initial reaciton was that it was gross but after looking at the article I certainly don't see what the problem is but I have to wonder why we'd even want to do this. Do we really need to keep pushing the lengths we'll go so infertile couples can have children?

I don't see anything wrong with it in principle, but any implementation would have to be carefully thought out. As for the question of infertile couples, some people just want a child of their own instead of adoption, but adoption is bloody difficult at the best of times even if you don't have any particular criteria to satisfy (such as wanting a child of some specific nationality or ethnicity or whatever), the process takes years and is so swathed in red tape that the mere idea is enough to scare anyone off.

Edi

[Alex Moon]

From the article it sounded like the tissues were taken from fetuses that were aborted because of abnormalities, ie: one of the few times when most people can agree that abortion may be necessary. If that's the case then I don't have a problem with it.

[InnerBrat]

From the article it sounded like the tissues were taken from fetuses that were aborted because of abnormalities, ie: one of the few times when most people can agree that abortion may be necessary. If that's the case then I don't have a problem with it.

but does it matter why the foetus was aborted? if it was aborted it was aborted. they're not going to farm foetuses, or anything.

[NecronLord]

It would probably be better to use foetouses aborted for other reasons though.

[Embracer Of Darkness]

If I, personally, found out that my mother was an aborted foetus I would more than likely become suicidal.

I think the technique would work, and the intentions are good... But if you were that child, would you be able to deal with it? Sure, you could simply not tell the child, but I think society already tells a person who s/he is a little too much already.

[Joe]

I don't think it should be illegal or anything, but honestly it creeps the living hell out of me.

[InnerBrat]

If I, personally, found out that my mother was an aborted foetus I would more than likely become suicidal.

I think the technique would work, and the intentions are good... But if you were that child, would you be able to deal with it? Sure, you could simply not tell the child, but I think society already tells a person who s/he is a little too much already.

If I was the result of IVF treatment using unwanted human tissue, I could deal with it a lot better than I dealt with the thought that if my mother wasn't so vehemently pro-life, she woudl have aborted me...

[Embracer Of Darkness]

If I, personally, found out that my mother was an aborted foetus I would more than likely become suicidal.

I think the technique would work, and the intentions are good... But if you were that child, would you be able to deal with it? Sure, you could simply not tell the child, but I think society already tells a person who s/he is a little too much already.

If I was the result of IVF treatment using unwanted human tissue, I could deal with it a lot better than I dealt with the thought that if my mother wasn't so vehemently pro-life, she woudl have aborted me...

Well, that's well and good, but as I said... Finding that out would send me suicidal, I'd feel sub-human.

[InnerBrat]

Well, that's well and good, but as I said... Finding that out would send me suicidal, I'd feel sub-human.

Yes, I know, you said that.
All I'm syaing is that it wouldn't to everyone - and you weren't the product of this kind of IVF treatment process

[TheFeniX]

I think the strongest opponents to this would be the "die-hard" pro-lifers. I'm talking about the people who wouldn't allow abortions even if it was 100% sure the baby and mother would die. These people are few and far between, but they do have a voice. These people scare the Hell out of me.

Although, I don't think it would be so bad for a kid. Just never tell him. He/she would be grown in the mother's womb, with a father. Sure it's not biologically related but if it's the only way you'll get a baby quickly, it works just fine.

I could deal with it a lot better than I dealt with the thought that if my mother wasn't so vehemently pro-life, she woudl have aborted me...

My mom is pro-choice, but would never have an abortion. She thought about it with me, after how bad my sisters birth was, and she's always felt guilty. It actually doesn't bother me. What would I have cared if I never existed?

[neoolong]

I find it kind of amusing that the comments about how its immoral and unethical don't give any justification for why it is that way.

Edit: Comments at the end of the article.

[Hethrir]

I find it kind of amusing that the comments about how its immoral and unethical don't give any justification for why it is that way.

Not that i can exactly speak, being a male and all, but i am against abortions, mostly for religious reasons. I won't go out and try to stop others, but if i were married, i would consider my future child murdered if aborted. There is life from the point of conception, so to end it would be murder in my eyes.

[Sindai]

Well, that's well and good, but as I said... Finding that out would send me suicidal, I'd feel sub-human.

Why? That doesn't make any sense at all. I wouldn't care; I'd still be me, and I'd still be here.

EDIT: If anything, it would be even more remarkable than being a normal birth, since the odds against it are even more fantastically low than they would be for normal conception.

[Embracer Of Darkness]

Well, that's well and good, but as I said... Finding that out would send me suicidal, I'd feel sub-human.

Why? That doesn't make any sense at all. I wouldn't care; I'd still be me, and I'd still be here.

EDIT: If anything, it would be even more remarkable than being a normal birth, since the odds against it are even more fantastically low than they would be for normal conception.

I'm not sure... It's just that the thought of finding out that my body, my being, was scavenged from the corpse of a dead baby would just disgust me. Some might find this viewpoint offensive, especially those who might in the future maybe even rely on this technique to have a child, and to those people I apologise. But the idea is grizzly and even a little barbaric to me.

[GrandMasterTerwynn]

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I just want to know - what the Hells is Life's problem? Why, exactly, is this so "utterly groteque" and am I abnormal to not be repulsed by it?

I frankly fail to see the problem. If we're going to abort fetuses, we might as well put them to some good use. It's hardly a repulsive idea.

[kojikun]

They should sell the unused carcases to that guy in Japan that ate babies. Or to the North Koreans, they're hungry.

No, but seriously, I don't find this repulsive at all. Once the fetus is dead it has no intrinsic value as a human. Humanity comes from your mind, not your DNA or body shape, and as far as I know a 2nd and 3rd trimester fetus is not even human yet. late 3rd trimester maybe yeah,but 2nd is still when we look like lizard men and are relatively similar to reptiles.

[Xenophobe3691]

Personally, I find this a bit over the top. I would feel hideous if anyone told me I came from a scavenged aborted fetus. However, while I find this a bit over the top, the right to swing my fist stops at the tip of another's nose. If they wish to do it, then it's their prerogative. Just please don't involve me.

[Traceroute]

As long as the baby was otherwise healthy (not aborted due to genetic abnormalities), I don't really see a problem with it, though I am generally against third-trimester abortions.

It should just be governed by the same anonymity as, say, a sperm donor. It's my understanding that if someone uses sperm from a sperm bank, they have no right to the donor's name, right? Similarly, a child produced from the eggs of a dead baby should have no right to that information, either.

Personally, I think stem cell research and other uses of fetal tissue hold great promise for many, many situations, and shouldn't be ignored because Falwell (for exaple) says so.

[InnerBrat]

I'm not sure... It's just that the thought of finding out that my body, my being, was scavenged from the corpse of a dead baby would just disgust me. Some might find this viewpoint offensive, especially those who might in the future maybe even rely on this technique to have a child, and to those people I apologise. But the idea is grizzly and even a little barbaric to me.

Tell me, Embracer, are you against the idea of post-mortem organ donation as well? If you had been born with a serious heart dfect and needed a transplant, would the thought of later finding out your heart was scavenged from the corpse of a dead baby disgust you?

If not, what's the difference?

[Embracer Of Darkness]

Tell me, Embracer, are you against the idea of post-mortem organ donation as well? If you had been born with a serious heart dfect and needed a transplant, would the thought of later finding out your heart was scavenged from the corpse of a dead baby disgust you?

If not, what's the difference?

In all honesty, I'm not against post-mortem organ donation. My reasoning is this: Having a donated organ is, in my opinion, different than being born from a scavenged (and I emphasise that I see this as true scavenging), aborted foetus. If I had a donated organ, I could probably still feel like more or less a whole person but this foetus techique just makes me feel as if it's taking away a person's actual being somehow. It's just one of those situations where my heart is speaking instead of my head, but I agree with it. Hard to describe really.

I hope I've made my position a little clearer, if not I could always try again.

[Lagmonster]

I'm not sure... It's just that the thought of finding out that my body, my being, was scavenged from the corpse of a dead baby would just disgust me.

Who cares where it all came from? Matter is matter. If you think about it, I am the sum of a shitload of reprocessed dead animals and plants, but I don't consider myself a composite of cows, wheat and chickens.

People should learn to define themselves by the individual that they are, period. Anything else is just lunacy and an excuse to develop fears of the more grotestque imagery and implications of everyday reality.