Greetings and an excerpt from my Arguement today!

[FU PICARD]

Hello all, I'm new to the board, but have passed many a work hour reading Mr. Wongs website, which I think is the best on the internet at this time. Anyway I am a program manager for a Computer Board Manufacturer and am willing to add assistance wherever I can in the arguements. Anywho I have a real idiot of an engineer working with me who seriously claimed that Darth Vader would be no match for fucking Worf in one on one combat, here is an excerpt of the argument

**Note I have nothing against engineers, except for the fact that some feel the need to add freaking 25 line items to a drawing which features only one item** Rant Over


Condensed for your sanity:


Idiot Engineer (IE) "So I am thinking Worf would over power Darth Vader with his awesome Klingon power"

Me "Hmmm, no I doubt it, I don't think Worf could even harm Vader"

IE "Are you dumb? Yes he could, Vader is cumbersome and isn't able to fight without his light saber!"

Me "Wow, so you are suggesting that Worf would somehow be able to get close enough to Vader to take his weapon?"

IE "Cleary it would not be that hard, Worf is powerful"

Me "I see it more like this, Worf Charges Vader, who force chokes him all the while giving a 10 minute diatribe to that bastard Picard about how he is going to crush the federation because his chamber lost power for an hour that morning"

IE "Fine dude, then Data could do it"

ME "Well, I think Data would start mumbling so stupid ass "quantum" comment about how the force is not possible while Vader force pushes his ass against the wall"

IE "Fuck that, how about Worf and Data at the same time!"

Me "Only if I get the emperor, he should fry that retarded androids circuits pretty quickly"

IE "Stop cheating asshole"

can someone point out where I cheated in this debate? Maybe I am not seeing clearly here!"

[Son of the Suns]

I figured you were the system admin or something for that website, since it doesn't offer email. Anyway welcome

[Warspite]

Common tactic, change the rules in the middle of the game. You're doing everything right, IE is just trying to gain the upper hand (although he knows he's lost) by spouting more and more idiocy. He finally threw an ad hominem, so he lost.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

He doesn't like you switching from Vader to the Emperor (even though he went from Worf to Data to both).

[Ted C]

can someone point out where I cheated in this debate? Maybe I am not seeing clearly here!"

You cheated by bringing the Emperor into the debate. Just point out that he cheated first by switching out Worf for Data and then switching to a Worf/Data tag team (both of which were, in fact, concessions that neither one alone could threaten Vader).

[seanrobertson]

Hello all, I'm new to the board

Welcome!

but have passed many a work hour reading Mr. Wongs website, which I think is the best on the internet at this time.

You are off to a VERY good start

Mike's site is one of my very favorites, too. He's consistently done an incredible job with it over the years.

Idiot Engineer (IE) "So I am thinking Worf would over power Darth Vader with his awesome Klingon power"

Careful...Michael is an engineer

I wonder what awesome Klingon power he is thinking of?

I've made no secret that I'm a bodybuilder and have a love-hate relationship with the "Iron Game." Strength training and feats of strength are of great interest to me.

Because I like him, I've studied Worf's strength feats and, while I agree that he's very strong, he's

A--not stronger than Vader
B--gotta have an opportunity to use said strength to do any good. He'd never get the chance.

Me "Hmmm, no I doubt it, I don't think Worf could even harm Vader"

IE "Are you dumb? Yes he could, Vader is cumbersome and isn't able to fight without his light saber!"

Refer him to "The Empire Strikes Back," in which Vader casually launches big metal cylinders at Luke.

A lightsaber has nothing to do with that.

Also refer him to Vader's feats as a teenaged Anakin Skywalker, particularly his telekinetic attacks against droids in the Geonosis factory.

Me "Wow, so you are suggesting that Worf would somehow be able to get close enough to Vader to take his weapon?"

IE "Cleary it would not be that hard, Worf is powerful"

Power is irrelevant in this case, since you have to use it first.

Worf's never been quick enough to get the drop on someone like Lord Vader, who has precognitive powers from the Force.

Vader would have to let Worf grab him. And in that event, Vader's a powerhouse himself--check out the way he grabbed that Rebel on the Tantive IV, easily holding the guy a meter off the floor.

Me "I see it more like this, Worf Charges Vader, who force chokes him all the while giving a 10 minute diatribe to that bastard Picard about how he is going to crush the federation because his chamber lost power for an hour that morning"

IE "Fine dude, then Data could do it"

Tell him bringing up Data is a Red Herring; what Data can do has no bearing on Worf vs. VAder.

He might not be familiar with that term, so "you're dodging the subject" would suffice

ME "Well, I think Data would start mumbling so stupid ass "quantum" comment about how the force is not possible while Vader force pushes his ass against the wall"

Yes.

Data is not very heavy, at all. Some of us talked about this in a Terminator vs. Data thread IIRC.

Vader would push him around with ease, just as he sent those droids tumbling with a Force "push" on Geonosis.

IE "Fuck that, how about Worf and Data at the same time!"

Me "Only if I get the emperor, he should fry that retarded androids circuits pretty quickly"

IE "Stop cheating asshole"

Heh

So, it's fair for him to use two people at once, but you can't do the same?

He's trying to hold you to a double-standard. While it's not necessary to bring Palpatine into the fold, it's inconsistent of him.

In any event, Vader would kill them both without a problem.

Force-choke Worf, and send Data flying into a wall at high speed or slice him in two with a light saber. Data can type or replace computer chips fast, but his reflexes in hand-to-hand combat aren't such that he can overwhelm Vader's precog. (Remember, Vader was able to use that precog to win a major pod race as a little kid, with no training whatsoever.)

can someone point out where I cheated in this debate? Maybe I am not seeing clearly here!"

You didn't cheat.

If he wants one-on-one, then he should stick to that. He "cheated" when he whipped out Data.

But as I said, it doesn't matter. I like Data, too, but I'm sorry...he, Worf, and probably a couple dozen other guys from the Enterprise would all get whipped simultaneously by Darth Vader.

[seanrobertson]

can someone point out where I cheated in this debate? Maybe I am not seeing clearly here!"

You cheated by bringing the Emperor into the debate. Just point out that he cheated first by switching out Worf for Data and then switching to a Worf/Data tag team (both of which were, in fact, concessions that neither one alone could threaten Vader).

Hmm.

That's a good point about the concession. His pal probably took it as such.

FU, tell your opponent to forget all about the Palpatine angle. It's not necessary:)

[Darksider]

Hello all, I'm new to the board, but have passed many a work hour reading Mr. Wongs website, which I think is the best on the internet at this time. Anyway I am a program manager for a Computer Board Manufacturer and am willing to add assistance wherever I can in the arguements. Anywho I have a real idiot of an engineer working with me who seriously claimed that Darth Vader would be no match for fucking Worf in one on one combat, here is an excerpt of the argument

*Snip*

Can someone point out where I cheated in this debate? Maybe I am not seeing clearly here!"

Welcome to SD.Net, please enjoy your stay

First of all, vader needs no help to take on both worf and data at the same time. He is supposed to be more powerful than Yoda, i think he can force choke two targets at once

As has already been stated, inform him that he already cheated by changing the rules in the middle of the game

[Frank Hipper]

Data's a machine, Vader could TK him against a bulkhead 'til he's component parts. No force choke necessary. And that's while he makes Klingon tartar of Worf with his lightsaber.

[Isolder74]

You know Data just stood there when 2 Feringi took control of the the bridge of the Enterprise in Rascals

[Howedar]

Mike's site is one of my very favorites, too. He's consistently done an incredible job with it over the years.

If not months *cough*

[Darth Servo]

Be sure to share round two of this debate with us. Its most entertaining.

[FU PICARD]

Well, we got back into at lunch yesterday, and he came up with a new tactic, Vader vs Worf, Spock, and Data, taking your advice I chose no others to aid Vader in this fight.

Here we go



IE "So here is what happens, Data disrupts the sensors on vaders armor whilst Worf rushes him and Spock hits him with a phaser blast"

ME "(Laughing) really? Hmm? Let me see what Vader would do, well he would obviously just destroy data first off as he is the biggest threat (Vader can't read his mind) he would just decimate him with his light saber. Vader would then turn his attention to spock, and absorb his phaser blast"

IE (interrupting) "Bull shit, Vader can't absorb a phaser blast"

ME "Wrong, go to StarDestroyer.net and look it up"

IE "Bullshit, Fucking Vader is not god bro, he can't be THAT strong"

ME "Oh really, I don't think this fight makes Vader nervous at all, in fact I think he would have a harder time with one armed Luke Skywalker then he would here"

IE "And why is that?"

ME "Let me count the ways, 1. he can read the thoughts of Worf and Spock, 2. He is more powerful than Data and Worf put together x 10, 3. He is just damn evil, he will kill, he will maim, he will destroy, 4. That light saber causes nasty skin cancer, 5. The FORCE, 6. He is more agile than any of the three, 6. he has a lot more STAMINA than the two sentient beings and DATA is a freaking Pussbag, 7. never forget that he at anytime can jump over 20 feet into the air and recover, 8. He has no emotions other than hatred, which he has refined into an advantage
9) HE is much cooler looking, 10)I haven't even begun to tell you how hard it is to actually HURT the man

IE "Fuck it, I quit, this is no fun"

ME "Poor baby, imagine if I used three to match your three, I could have included Yoda and Skywalker"

IE "How about Q then asshole!"

ME "Here we go, always go back to Q"

IE "Forget it, I am going back to work"

ME "You're fired" <<Just kidding


So as you see chalk another one up for the bad guys!

[Warspite]

IE "So here is what happens, Data disrupts the sensors on vaders armor whilst Worf rushes him and Spock hits him with a phaser blast"

Yeah, and Vader would sit still, waiting for the 3 of them to attack.

IE (interrupting) "Bull shit, Vader can't absorb a phaser blast"

There was a topic a long time ago in the PSW forum, by Poe, where he shows Vader absorbing Solo's blaster shots... I'm sure he has them on his site.

[YT300000]

IE (interrupting) "Bull shit, Vader can't absorb a phaser blast"

If you factor in NDF, phasers are really weak. Much weaker than 2 bolts from a DL-44. Therefore, Vader would have no problems absorbing it.

[Ghost Rider]

LOL...well he conceeded pretty well.

Ah Q...always a truly last resort.

[FU PICARD]

Well, the immortal Q is the ONLY thing trekkies can use that even has a remote chance to compete with the Empire. Why do they always forget that fucking Q's peers won't let him harm humans(I think, I don't get into Star Trek as you can tell by my name)


I look forward to his eventual

Q vs a Death Star Debate


I'm actually trying to get him started on a Slave-1 vs Enterprise debate

More to come

[Master of Ossus]

All's fair in war and debates.

In regards to Q, Guinan once threatened him with a disruptor weapon. The guy isn't immortal in the sense that he cannot be killed, he's immortal only in the sense that he cannot age.

[NecronLord]

In regards to Q, Guinan once threatened him with a disruptor weapon.

No she didn't. She threatened the crew with that. She put her hands up in a defensive gesture against Q (probably due to the nexus), and stabbed him with a fork when he had no powers. Nothing more.

[Darth Servo]

No she didn't. She threatened the crew with that. She put her hands up in a defensive gesture against Q (probably due to the nexus), and stabbed him with a fork when he had no powers. Nothing more.

But Q is still afraid of her proving he isn't omnipotent. And her race is NOT that great since they couldn't resist being assimilated by the borg.