Zero Point Economic Theory

Tom_Aurum · Post by **Tom_Aurum** » 2003-06-30 05:49pm

Somewhere, somehow, something bush, or the Fed, or both, are doing seems terribly wrong. It seems that for some reason, one or both have stolen an idea from theoretical phsyics. It is this.

-Once someone has taken the last bit of energy from an item, it automatically has one energy, simply because no item can have absolutely no energy.

-Therefore, someone could theoretically make a "zero-point" energy reactor. Stealing the last bit of energy from an item infinitely.

The current administration, or the fed, is doing this with our economy. Basic scheme, they're creating "false" money. Now this has been done for a long time, but, the way it seems to be working now, it's almost as if the administration is succeeding. How long before we have a catastrophic cascade reaction people?

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-06-30 05:53pm

Its true that no actual object can have zero energy, but it is possible to remove all the energy from that object by converting that object directly to energy. Thats the only way to liberate energy from an object that possesses no kinetic or potential energy.

The government, however, doesn't realize this.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-06-30 05:54pm

What are you referring to, the government's love of running the printing presses to pay its bills? I don't believe the Bush administration has done this to a great extent yet, and even if it did it certainly wouldn't be unique in that respect.

Alex Moon · Post by **Alex Moon** » 2003-06-30 07:18pm

WTF are you talking about?!

Exonerate · Post by **Exonerate** » 2003-06-30 08:58pm

Printing money could stimulate the economy (More cash moving around), but it's something you'd want to be careful about, because if you over do it like Germany did post-WWI...

Tom_Aurum · Post by **Tom_Aurum** » 2003-07-03 11:30am

I was more whining about the way that bush and the fed expect money to come from nowhere. Borrowed money can be almost as dangerous as running a printing press to make money.

TheFeniX · Post by **TheFeniX** » 2003-07-03 12:05pm

Mexico thought they could solve their money problems by printing more money. How much is the peso worth now?

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-07-03 12:34pm

Tom_Aurum wrote:I was more whining about the way that bush and the fed expect money to come from nowhere. Borrowed money can be almost as dangerous as running a printing press to make money.

This doesn't surprise me. During the presidential debates, I kept wondering if Bush realized that the surplus he wanted to spend was projected and didn't actually exist.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-07-03 12:37pm

Yeah so? The current mess wasn't really caused by Bush, but by the
states overspending during the previous bubble to an absurd degree,
and then refusing to make cuts once the Shit Hit the Fan...

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-07-03 03:06pm

Ugh. The Bush administration has absoloutely zero economic sense. They're inflating the US national defecit absurdly. You lot need to be paying more taxes to support the wars against terror, not less.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-07-03 04:49pm

Tom_Aurum wrote:I was more whining about the way that bush and the fed expect money to come from nowhere. Borrowed money can be almost as dangerous as running a printing press to make money.

Welcome to U.S. government spending. They've been doing this since the New Deal.

Alex Moon · Post by **Alex Moon** » 2003-07-03 05:49pm

Tom_Aurum wrote:I was more whining about the way that bush and the fed expect money to come from nowhere. Borrowed money can be almost as dangerous as running a printing press to make money.

This is nothing new for the Government. Deficit spending is common. While the amount in dollars may be large, the total as a percentage of GDP is not the largest it's historically been.

Xenophobe3691 · Post by **Xenophobe3691** » 2003-07-03 08:42pm

Durandal wrote:
Tom_Aurum wrote:I was more whining about the way that bush and the fed expect money to come from nowhere. Borrowed money can be almost as dangerous as running a printing press to make money.
This doesn't surprise me. During the presidential debates, I kept wondering if Bush realized that the surplus he wanted to spend was projected and didn't actually exist.

The masses don't realize it, and that's who he was pandering to. Look at it from their view, you'll see how appealing it is...

Trytostaydead · Post by **Trytostaydead** » 2003-07-03 09:35pm

From my paranoid side.. they're doing this purposely.

The Bush administration has figured everything out from day one. They need more manpower in the military and what is one way to get people to join? Create a lack of jobs and the poor will go for three meals a day, housing and decent pay. A smaller economy will also send recent college graduates hunting for something above menial work. College students planning ahead will join ROTC. In fact, AFROTC's Commandant sent a letter saying that need for officers through OCS has diminished thanks to ROTC recruitment greatly increasing.

Alex Moon · Post by **Alex Moon** » 2003-07-03 09:43pm

Trytostaydead wrote:From my paranoid side.. they're doing this purposely.

The Bush administration has figured everything out from day one. They need more manpower in the military and what is one way to get people to join? Create a lack of jobs and the poor will go for three meals a day, housing and decent pay. A smaller economy will also send recent college graduates hunting for something above menial work. College students planning ahead will join ROTC. In fact, AFROTC's Commandant sent a letter saying that need for officers through OCS has diminished thanks to ROTC recruitment greatly increasing.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

I assume that means that the Bush Administration planned Sept 11 as well? It's very possible that the recent events of Sept. 11, Afghanistan and now Iraq are creating an interest in the military as a career option for many people.

If the Bush administration really wanted to increase manpower for the military, there are other, more efficient ways to do so than plunging the economy into a recession. Especially since many indicators seem to be pointing to an end to the recession.

Tom_Aurum · Post by **Tom_Aurum** » 2003-07-03 10:50pm

So, half myth, and half reality. No they didn't create 9/11. Convenient coincidence, yes. But engineered to make americans fearful? Not intentionally. It just seemed to make a nice reason for it at the time. A fearful population is always easily controlled.

Traceroute · Post by **Traceroute** » 2003-07-03 11:24pm

Interesting conclusions, since the US military has just started a new advertising campaign to get more graduates into the military.

Personally, I do hold Bush accountable for being a dumb ass. The way gulf war 2 was approached as totally ass backwards.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-07-04 12:29am

Trytostaydead wrote:From my paranoid side.. they're doing this purposely.

The Bush administration has figured everything out from day one. They need more manpower in the military and what is one way to get people to join? Create a lack of jobs and the poor will go for three meals a day, housing and decent pay. A smaller economy will also send recent college graduates hunting for something above menial work. College students planning ahead will join ROTC. In fact, AFROTC's Commandant sent a letter saying that need for officers through OCS has diminished thanks to ROTC recruitment greatly increasing.

What the hell have you been smoking? Because I want some.

Trytostaydead · Post by **Trytostaydead** » 2003-07-04 12:34am

Nothing but pure boredom..

But you know, it's possible.. a way to send people into the military is to create a pool of unemployed, especially with the pressing need more man power in the armed forces

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2003-07-04 12:45am

The way gulf war 2 was approached as totally ass backwards.

How so? Do you believe the proper goal of a war is to lose?

SyntaxVorlon · Post by **SyntaxVorlon** » 2003-07-04 02:18am

The reason neither work is because, 1 entropy is the cause of this in physics, 2 entropy is reversed typically in economics

Durran, you've obviously been smoking something to think that vast tax rebates to high income families is anything like the new deal. This time around for instance is that the poor people don't get jobs.