Anakin Vs. Spider-Man

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-09-17 08:03pm

How much must I repeat this?

*snap-hiss*

It BURNS!

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-09-17 08:09pm

How much must I repeat this?

As many times as you want

Annnd that makes 3400 Posts
I feel special!

Jack Lain · Post by **Jack Lain** » 2002-09-18 02:24am

I realize this is kinda of a lame addition, but Spidey has over 30 years of material to draw upon. Which includes, if memory serves right, 3 or 4 movies? Anakin has two and soon to be three movies of material.

I agree with MoO. If we take Anakin to equal Vader. Its is going to be the 60/40 ratio. But if we take Anakin to the first two movies we've seen. I don't agree at all. I think its closer to a 50/50 with environment playing the key factor. Maybe even a 40/60 Anakin / Spidey ratio. Anakin is not Vader.
You put Spidey in a city, his home turf, and he has a tremendous advantage. You put Spidey against Anakin in an open area; the gray flat plain from my other post and it favors Anakin. Until we see the Sith Lord in his totality (which I hope we see next movie) I'd argue that 60/40 ratio hard. Spidey is no slouch and the pre Vader Anakin is too hot-tempered and too excitable. Spider Man kicks ass. And for as many examples as you can show that Spidey sense does not allow him to escape something, I can pull just as many that he does in 30 years of comics. One that comes to mind as I write this is when Frank Castle had Spidey in the cross hairs of a sniper rifle and Spidey dodged it. (this is in the five part punisher mini series, incorrectly identified on the first comic as a four part - yes I have all five w00t!) However, We do see a similar event in AOTC with the rifle held by the bounty hunter/assassin Zam Wesell against the Jedi.

Against a Jedi Master? Maybe Mace or Yoda. I give it to the Jedi in a 70/30 ratio, probably an 80/20 for yoda. Spidey is fast as hell and much stronger than any jedi sans force. Maybe equal to a jedi master in physical strength restriction with force. But those Jedi who are capable of coupling force power with physical movement. This fight really does favor the Jedi master. Though I could still argue environment if needed.

Again I suggest that this debate is much too dependant upon external events and influences to conclude anything about an Anakin / Spidey fight. If we want to change topic to Spidey against a Jedi Master, I'll contribute, but I won't be as resolute. But Spidey against the Anakin we have seen so far. That one I'll take on, even though it means multiple teasing by the wife and probably even my dogs. :)

Spider Man versus Anakin Skywalker is in no way a walk for Skywalker. Unless as MoO and I already agreed, we voluntarily hamper one side or the other. We can debate the flat plain versus the Coruscant/Manhattan background if you guys would rather? Up to you all.

Jack Lain · Post by **Jack Lain** » 2002-09-18 03:56am

Self correction. Its in Spider Man 129 that we see that scene. Not the punisher series. My mistake.

THEHOOLIGANJEDI · Post by **THEHOOLIGANJEDI** » 2002-09-18 03:34pm

Tsyroc wrote:
Jack Lain wrote:
If the Jedi didn't have a lightsabre would they have been able to survive
what the Green Goblin through at Spiderman? Perhaps, but I'd bet they'd have to deflect or catch some of it with the Force.

Comic Book Spiderman could take Anakin most of the time. Movie version , I'd tend to go with Anakin just because he is so much more experienced with his own abilities. Plus he gets better when he gets pissed.

Well if the Jedi doesn't have a lightsaber then I would say he would use a series of powers, such as force push, force throw (objects)and, force persuasion.

As for comic Spidey, He'd be more screwed in facing Anakin, he could just pull away his web shooters, there by giving Anakin a huge advantage. That's why I suggested using movie Spidey b/c his web shooters are organic.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2002-09-19 06:12pm

I can't believe nobody has pointed this out yet:

If Spiderman and Anakin were to fight each other, Spiderman would taunt him so badly he would either break into tears, or really fill with anger and begin slashing with all his strength (knowing him, he would do both).

But eventually his head would explode with all those Dark-Side feelings.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2002-09-19 06:15pm

He would also make him too damn guilty by reciting "with great power comes great responsibility" once every 10 seconds, every time followed by a 2 minute flashback to his uncle Ben and how neat was when they went fishing and stuff.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2002-09-19 06:18pm

In fact he could alternate taunting and "responsibility", that would create an effect similar to heating and freezing repeatedly. I suppose it would break him, a "crack in the event horizon" if you will.

THEHOOLIGANJEDI · Post by **THEHOOLIGANJEDI** » 2002-09-19 07:48pm

Wouldn't work, If you piss off Anakin your screwed. Remembered what happened to all of those Tusken Raiders. Besides what be the premise of your suggesting? (scenario)

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2002-09-20 02:50am

Spider-man would be able to piss him off while staying out of reach.
Besides, nobody has ever pissed him off as Spidey would. Spidey is the taunt king. (except in the movie, he was mute).

THEHOOLIGANJEDI · Post by **THEHOOLIGANJEDI** » 2002-09-20 02:30pm

Well this is regarding MOVIE Spidey.

Larz · Post by **Larz** » 2002-09-20 03:41pm

On Coruscant: I'm not all together sure. If there were the massive amounts of ships and hovercraft flying about like in the movie, then spiderman would have a hard time swinging from one tower to another without becoming spider goop, or if he catchs a car gets his arm dislocated as the ship or hover vehicle yanks him while he clings to a building. His "Spidey Sense" couldn't give him a full picture of all his surrounding, so I'd figure he would be torn to either pay attention to Anakin, or to the dangers of his enviroment. With the spider strength thing, if he gets close in to try and punch Anakin, the smoldering stump that was his arm was exactly what he deserved. Anakin's force preception can keep track of multiple threats giving him the ability to track spider man and leap "safely" from ship to ship (pending on how one defines safely). Any close in (HtH) battle would be Anakins. Though Spiderman can move fast enough to dodge bullets, a bullet can't change direction like a lightsaber can. From a short distance but not HtH prespective Spiderman has the advantage. He can web and try and catch Anakin, and if Anakin trys to throw his lightsabre at him, there is a possibility that Spiderman can catch it with his webing, just as he could catch Anakin if he decides that doing 30 flips to close the distance between them seems like a good idea. Overall: Anakin wins by for ability, Spiderman loses due to inability to prevent becoming ships hood ornament.

In New York: Now this is interesting. The skyscrapers of earth don't have the million and one docking ports and standing surfaces that Coruscant has, nor does it have hovering platforms to leap from on to another to get to places around the air. This would mean that Anakin only has the ability to jump to balcony to balcony, fight on the ground, or fight on a rooftop. This gives spiderman an enormous advantage as that he can still travler by air and keep distance from him. If they fight in an area of all skyscrapers, than Anakin is screwed. Spiderman can move from building to building, set up traps, and try and web Anakin from many different positions. If Anakin were smart he would bring the battle inside were the grounds are leveled, but he doesn't seem to be that bright or cautious. Instead, I see Anakin being webbed and becoming one with the force in New York. Overall: Spiderman takes down Anakin long distance.

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2002-09-20 04:11pm

Well while spider man can stay out of Anakin's range, he can't win either. Sooner or later he'll be near enough for Annie to kill him.
And his force forsight is very good, see beginning of AOTC.

Hmm, a song suddenly comes to my mind...

Spider man, spider man, does whatever a spider can, spins a web, any size, catches thieves, just like flies,
look out! Here comes the spider man!

THEHOOLIGANJEDI · Post by **THEHOOLIGANJEDI** » 2002-09-20 04:42pm

Larz wrote:On Coruscant: I'm not all together sure. If there were the massive amounts of ships and hovercraft flying about like in the movie, then spiderman would have a hard time swinging from one tower to another without becoming spider goop, or if he catchs a car gets his arm dislocated as the ship or hover vehicle yanks him while he clings to a building. His "Spidey Sense" couldn't give him a full picture of all his surrounding, so I'd figure he would be torn to either pay attention to Anakin, or to the dangers of his enviroment. With the spider strength thing, if he gets close in to try and punch Anakin, the smoldering stump that was his arm was exactly what he deserved. Anakin's force preception can keep track of multiple threats giving him the ability to track spider man and leap "safely" from ship to ship (pending on how one defines safely). Any close in (HtH) battle would be Anakins. Though Spiderman can move fast enough to dodge bullets, a bullet can't change direction like a lightsaber can. From a short distance but not HtH prespective Spiderman has the advantage. He can web and try and catch Anakin, and if Anakin trys to throw his lightsabre at him, there is a possibility that Spiderman can catch it with his webing, just as he could catch Anakin if he decides that doing 30 flips to close the distance between them seems like a good idea. Overall: Anakin wins by for ability, Spiderman loses due to inability to prevent becoming ships hood ornament.

In New York: Now this is interesting. The skyscrapers of earth don't have the million and one docking ports and standing surfaces that Coruscant has, nor does it have hovering platforms to leap from on to another to get to places around the air. This would mean that Anakin only has the ability to jump to balcony to balcony, fight on the ground, or fight on a rooftop. This gives spiderman an enormous advantage as that he can still travler by air and keep distance from him. If they fight in an area of all skyscrapers, than Anakin is screwed. Spiderman can move from building to building, set up traps, and try and web Anakin from many different positions. If Anakin were smart he would bring the battle inside were the grounds are leveled, but he doesn't seem to be that bright or cautious. Instead, I see Anakin being webbed and becoming one with the force in New York. Overall: Spiderman takes down Anakin long distance.

All very valid points on Spidey's part, but you neglect the fact that Anakin can throw object at Spidey and can force push him and, can just use the Force and throw him around. Although you do bring up an interesting thing about Spidey having difficulties on Coruscant.