Ho boy...

Darth Gojira · Post by **Darth Gojira** » 2003-07-03 06:55am

If that asshole Luther can have his own movie, then why can't Temuchin?

Sir Sirius · Post by **Sir Sirius** » 2003-07-03 08:10am

I was reading that list and stumbeled on to this:

"Reason is the greatest enemy that faith has; it never comes to the aid of spiritual things, but -- more frequently than not -- struggles against the divine Word, treating with contempt all that emanates from God."
[Martin Luther]

Pretty accurate I would say, though the conclusion I draw from that is probably the exact opposite of what Luther intended.

Hethrir · Post by **Hethrir** » 2003-07-03 09:21am

Alyrium Denryle wrote:The worst thing to ever come out of Germany...Hell even Hitler had his good points(I dont know what they are...but I will find them)

I disagree. Without Luther there is no J. S. Bach. Without J. S. Bach there is no modern music.

jegs2 · Post by **jegs2** » 2003-07-03 10:22am

Luther was a fallen and sinful man. That comes as no shock. If one wants to see what Christianity is supposed to be, look to Christ.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-07-03 11:21am

jegs2 wrote:Luther was a fallen and sinful man. That comes as no shock.

According to most Christian denominations, we all are.

Darth Gojira · Post by **Darth Gojira** » 2003-07-06 08:13am

Hethrir wrote:
Alyrium Denryle wrote:The worst thing to ever come out of Germany...Hell even Hitler had his good points(I dont know what they are...but I will find them)
I disagree. Without Luther there is no J. S. Bach. Without J. S. Bach there is no modern music.

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Without Wagner, Hitler would have nothing to groove to

jegs2 · Post by **jegs2** » 2003-07-06 09:54am

Darth Servo wrote:According to most Christian denominations, we all are.

You are correct:

Romans 8: 23 - 24

for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.

(NIV)

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-07-06 01:16pm

Darth Gojira wrote:If that asshole Luther can have his own movie, then why can't Temuchin?

Haven't there been several movies made about Genghis Khan Temujin?? (Genghis Khan was merely his title)

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-07-06 02:39pm

theres some russian denominations in which they believe the only way to escape eternal damnation is to sin. thats why rasputin was such a slut, he believed god would send him to heavy if he fucked lots of women. i like this denomination.

Darth Gojira · Post by **Darth Gojira** » 2003-07-06 08:35pm

Simon H.Johansen wrote:
Darth Gojira wrote:If that asshole Luther can have his own movie, then why can't Temuchin?
Haven't there been several movies made about Genghis Khan Temujin?? (Genghis Khan was merely his title)

Well, I think there was one with John Wayne........(

? was with that?)

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2003-07-07 01:41am

Stravo wrote:Double Post taken care of and after reading that list I can see why the Pope dispatched hit squads to try and kill him. (No that is NOT a joke)

Maybe they should make a movie about that...

(Several men in white with sunglasses, machine guns, and funny hats storm into Martin Luther's house and start shooting)

"They didn't have machine guns back then!"

"Then I don't think you're going to like the next scene."

(A giant mecha in the shape of the Pope lands on the ground, and goes up to another giant mecha in the shape of Martin Luther, and they start fighting.)

Darth Gojira · Post by **Darth Gojira** » 2003-07-07 07:47am

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi wrote:
Stravo wrote:Double Post taken care of and after reading that list I can see why the Pope dispatched hit squads to try and kill him. (No that is NOT a joke)
Maybe they should make a movie about that...

(Several men in white with sunglasses, machine guns, and funny hats storm into Martin Luther's house and start shooting)

"They didn't have machine guns back then!"

"Then I don't think you're going to like the next scene."

(A giant mecha in the shape of the Pope lands on the ground, and goes up to another giant mecha in the shape of Martin Luther, and they start fighting.)

THAT would ROCK!!!!

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-07-07 10:14am

jegs2 wrote:
Darth Servo wrote:According to most Christian denominations, we all are.
You are correct:

Romans 8: 23 - 24

for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.

(NIV)

The point was that for a Christian to say someone is "lost/fallen" says absolutely nothing about that person.

jegs2 · Post by **jegs2** » 2003-07-07 10:30am

Darth Servo wrote: The point was that for a Christian to say someone is "lost/fallen" says absolutely nothing about that person.

Ah, but that is the point, for a Christian is yet fallen and thus yet sinful, despite faith in Christ. His sensitivity to sin is increased, thus reducing its frequency (assuming he follows the guidance of the Holy Spirit in him that is increasing that sensitivity), but he yet remains a victim of Adam's original sin. Thus, his standards are higher, and those outside the Faith perceive the same, so they also elevate the expectations of what those who claim allegience to Christ should be. The danger is that many outside the Faith (and some within it) will point to examples of sin exhibited by those of the Faith and say, "See! Chrisians are hate-filled!" instead of looking to the author of the Faith (and the only one to achieve perfection): Christ Jesus, the risen Son of God. So you see that the point is to look to Christ instead of those who claim to follow him -- or as my father put it long ago: "Will you follow Christ or follow some crooked preacher to Hell?"

Darth Gojira · Post by **Darth Gojira** » 2003-07-08 08:11am

jegs2 wrote:
Darth Servo wrote: The point was that for a Christian to say someone is "lost/fallen" says absolutely nothing about that person.
Ah, but that is the point, for a Christian is yet fallen and thus yet sinful, despite faith in Christ. His sensitivity to sin is increased, thus reducing its frequency (assuming he follows the guidance of the Holy Spirit in him that is increasing that sensitivity), but he yet remains a victim of Adam's original sin. Thus, his standards are higher, and those outside the Faith perceive the same, so they also elevate the expectations of what those who claim allegience to Christ should be. The danger is that many outside the Faith (and some within it) will point to examples of sin exhibited by those of the Faith and say, "See! Chrisians are hate-filled!" instead of looking to the author of the Faith (and the only one to achieve perfection): Christ Jesus, the risen Son of God. So you see that the point is to look to Christ instead of those who claim to follow him -- or as my father put it long ago: "Will you follow Christ or follow some crooked preacher to Hell?"

The problem is that each Gospel has its own interpritation of his mission, making it easy for someone to abuse the word.

jegs2 · Post by **jegs2** » 2003-07-08 12:26pm

Darth Gojira wrote: The problem is that each Gospel has its own interpritation of his mission, making it easy for someone to abuse the word.

If read in context, there is no conflict in the message of Jesus. Each writer wrote from a different point of view, and Jesus' parables are fairly easy to discern. If read out of context (i.e. isolation of verses), there certainly can appear to be conflicts, but such is the case with nearly any lenghthy piece of writing...

Raptor 597 · Post by **Raptor 597** » 2003-07-08 12:56pm

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi wrote:
Stravo wrote:Double Post taken care of and after reading that list I can see why the Pope dispatched hit squads to try and kill him. (No that is NOT a joke)
Maybe they should make a movie about that...

(Several men in white with sunglasses, machine guns, and funny hats storm into Martin Luther's house and start shooting)

"They didn't have machine guns back then!"

"Then I don't think you're going to like the next scene."

(A giant mecha in the shape of the Pope lands on the ground, and goes up to another giant mecha in the shape of Martin Luther, and they start fighting.)

*And tanks roll into to destroy these fool mechas*

Death from the Sea · Post by **Death from the Sea** » 2003-07-08 01:16pm

Kitsune wrote:They never taught us this stuff in Lutheran Confirmation
I wonder why

Yeah, I don't remember them actually teaching much of anything about Martin Luther the man, other than he went against the Catholics.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-07-08 02:33pm

Well, I think there was one with John Wayne........( ? was with that?)

There was one with a guy who had a New York accent. Great stuff. 'Beyond yonder hill is da land of my faddas...'

Darth Gojira · Post by **Darth Gojira** » 2003-07-09 07:52am

HemlockGrey wrote:
Well, I think there was one with John Wayne........( ? was with that?)
There was one with a guy who had a New York accent. Great stuff. 'Beyond yonder hill is da land of my faddas...'

LOL! I think I'll rent it.