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Here's an interesting story:

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/ ... 80706.html

Apparently, on some campuses, your constitutional right to freedom of expression is only protected if you are advocating politally correct ideas.

The following quote from the article is illustrative:
Lukianoff argued the absurdity of a "disruption" charge against someone who was silently posting, on a public bulletin board, a flier for an approved campus event. Hinkle's accusers, Lukianoff noted, "themselves initiated what they later claimed was his `disruption.' ... If they had allowed Mr. Hinkle to go about his constitutionally protected activity, there would have been no `disruption' at all. All of this leads FIRE to draw the obvious conclusion: Mr. Hinkle and the (Cal Poly College Republicans) are being punished for the content of their expression."
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If I understand correctly this Hinkle was posting fliers posting fliers advertising a speech by Mason Weaver and now might get expelled from the college because some black students were "offended" by that. WTF? Thats just whacked.

Also in that column:
Review-Journal wrote:And while 80 percent of American blacks had achieved literacy by 1940, the National Adult Literacy Survey and the National Assessment of Educational Progress tell us that by the year 2000, six decades of our vastly expensive modern government schools had reduced black literacy to a mere 60 percent.
:shock:
The literacy rate among African-Americans is 60 percent? 60 percent, as in 2 out of 5 blacks in the U.S. are illiterate?

I've heard a lot bad things about American public schools and I always though that a lot of it was excaggerated, but this is insane.
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Sir Sirius wrote: The literacy rate among African-Americans is 60 percent? 60 percent, as in 2 out of 5 blacks in the U.S. are illiterate?

I've heard a lot bad things about American public schools and I always though that a lot of it was excaggerated, but this is insane.
I suspect that really means "functionally illiterate", as in people who can read, sort of, but have extremely poor comprehension - maybe around 1st, 2nd, or 3rd grade level, and basically can't comprehend things like job applications, written instructions, newspapers, etc., well enough to understand them. I doubt the percentage of blacks who are completely illiterate, and for whom Roman letters might as well be Chinese characters, is that high.
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Yes, that would make more sense, though the situation would still be pretty bad.
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I would have told the VP three magic words: "Kiss my ass," and found me another school.

Of course, I also don't care enough to actually post up anything in college. I'm just there to get that magic piece of paper that somehow makes me worth more to companies, and get on with my life.
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It's pretty much a fact of life on a lot of campuses that if you're right wing and politically active, you can expect some degree of harassment from the students, faculty, and/or administration that would be considered outrageous if it was done to left wing students. We had hundreds of copies of our newspaper thrown out several times and an entire print run confiscated by the administration on one memorable occasion (officially, for some technicality we violated in the univeristy rules for student publication--I'm sure the fact our editor at the time blasted First Union bank for supporting Planned Parenthood at the same time it had an exclusive agreement with a Catholic college to operate ATMs and student checking accounts had nothing to do with it :roll:). And we were lucky--most of the time, the administration was pretty supportive of us, or at least didn't go out of its way to irritate us, the liberal professors actually liked having some conservative dissent to stir up discussions, and the debates with the students were friendly more often than not.

When we went to conferences with other conservative students, that's where we heard the real horror stories. People looked at us like we were lunatics to suggest we managed to bring in Charleton Heston and David Horowitz as speakers without touching off riots. There were groups there that had their offices looted and ransacked because someone didn't like one of their editorials and the administration response was, "Well, you should have expected it."
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Sir Sirius wrote: The literacy rate among African-Americans is 60 percent? 60 percent, as in 2 out of 5 blacks in the U.S. are illiterate?
They're not illiterate - they just like to talk in hip-hop speak, one nigga to another :roll:
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Wow, Sir Sirius, you just discovered that us Americans are dumb. Shhh... keep it a secret, maybe we can fool the rest of the world a few more years.
But on topic, this shit goes on all the time in ye old United States of Hypocrasy. This is just more blatant than many of the other happenings.
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What is disturbing is not only has someones right to free speech been messed with, but this 'learning institition' seems to think of itself as judge, jury and executioner. Higher learning instituions are supposed to be about freedom of thought and expresion within the bounds of law. Learning insituions do not make law, nor can they enforce it.
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Stuart Mackey wrote:What is disturbing is not only has someones right to free speech been messed with, but this 'learning institition' seems to think of itself as judge, jury and executioner. Higher learning instituions are supposed to be about freedom of thought and expresion within the bounds of law. Learning insituions do not make law, nor can they enforce it.
Ah, but you see, they're not enforcing any civil law, they're enforcing the university's own bylaws. A private institution can do anything it likes to you unless they're doing it explicitly because of your race or gender, and state institutions have quite a bit more latitude than most other state agencies. Of course, this doesn't say anything about the MORALITY of stepping on people for having unpopular opinions, or the hypocracy of an institution that's supposed to be about the exchange of ideas doing so, but they have the legal right to do quite a bit, especially if they're privately operated.
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RedImperator wrote:
Stuart Mackey wrote:What is disturbing is not only has someones right to free speech been messed with, but this 'learning institition' seems to think of itself as judge, jury and executioner. Higher learning instituions are supposed to be about freedom of thought and expresion within the bounds of law. Learning insituions do not make law, nor can they enforce it.
Ah, but you see, they're not enforcing any civil law, they're enforcing the university's own bylaws. A private institution can do anything it likes to you unless they're doing it explicitly because of your race or gender, and state institutions have quite a bit more latitude than most other state agencies. Of course, this doesn't say anything about the MORALITY of stepping on people for having unpopular opinions, or the hypocracy of an institution that's supposed to be about the exchange of ideas doing so, but they have the legal right to do quite a bit, especially if they're privately operated.
Sucks to be there eh? Mind you, not that that attitude is not creeping in here in NZ. Art History here can be a minefeild of PC feminism like you wouldnt beleive.
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Stuart Mackey wrote:Sucks to be there eh? Mind you, not that that attitude is not creeping in here in NZ. Art History here can be a minefeild of PC feminism like you wouldnt beleive.
Read my earlier post about trying to run a conservative student newspaper. And honestly, my college was very good most of the time when it came to dissent from the "accepted" opinion. Some schools like Berkley or a lot of small liberal arts colleges seem determined to treat conservatives like second-class citizens and thought criminals.

Do yourself a favor and keep the Goddamn PC police out of academia. And if the tide ever shifts so conservatives are shutting liberals up, fight them, too. The American university system is one of the best in the world and leftist fucknuts who view anyone who disagrees with them as traitors to humanity are doing their best to ruin it. Academia is supposed to be the one place in society where any idea, no matter how crazy, gets a fair hearing--it has to be or else all you have are conformity factories and glorified vocational schools.
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RedImperator wrote:
Read my earlier post about trying to run a conservative student newspaper. And honestly, my college was very good most of the time when it came to dissent from the "accepted" opinion. Some schools like Berkley or a lot of small liberal arts colleges seem determined to treat conservatives like second-class citizens and thought criminals.

Do yourself a favor and keep the Goddamn PC police out of academia. And if the tide ever shifts so conservatives are shutting liberals up, fight them, too. The American university system is one of the best in the world and leftist fucknuts who view anyone who disagrees with them as traitors to humanity are doing their best to ruin it. Academia is supposed to be the one place in society where any idea, no matter how crazy, gets a fair hearing--it has to be or else all you have are conformity factories and glorified vocational schools.
Why am I reminded of the academic struggles for freedom of thought and speech in Europe 1815 on?. I may well be centre left in a lot of my veiws but I cannot stand PC bullshit frome any source.
Dont get me started on governmental cronyism...
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Red, I think you'd be surprised at how different it is down South, at least at UGA. At least one or two conservative columns appear a week in the official student newspaper, conservative speakers regularly appear on campus and draw large crowds (thanks to one of the most active college Republican chapters in the country), and there are plenty of conservative professors (in the business department, of course).
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Durran Korr wrote:Red, I think you'd be surprised at how different it is down South, at least at UGA. At least one or two conservative columns appear a week in the official student newspaper, conservative speakers regularly appear on campus and draw large crowds (thanks to one of the most active college Republican chapters in the country), and there are plenty of conservative professors (in the business department, of course).
Hmm. Come to think of it, you may be right. I don't recall the groups from Southern colleges complaining too much. Still, having conservatives in the business, science, and engineering departments (like my school had) doesn't mean much when debates erupt over social issues, where the liberal arts faculty typically leads the way for the liberal side. Even at Villanova, which had a fairly conservative student body, the conservatives outside the liberal arts faculty tended to shy away from the big social debates.
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The CSU/UC system here in CA is populated by many administrators who where heavy into the 60's movements. Its ironic to see them become what they used to protest.
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Durran Korr wrote:Red, I think you'd be surprised at how different it is down South, at least at UGA. At least one or two conservative columns appear a week in the official student newspaper, conservative speakers regularly appear on campus and draw large crowds (thanks to one of the most active college Republican chapters in the country), and there are plenty of conservative professors (in the business department, of course).
Indeed, it is pretty balanced at UGA. I don't know if you read the school newspaper often, but I got an editorial printed in it last semester :D
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Durran Korr wrote:Red, I think you'd be surprised at how different it is down South, at least at UGA. At least one or two conservative columns appear a week in the official student newspaper, conservative speakers regularly appear on campus and draw large crowds (thanks to one of the most active college Republican chapters in the country), and there are plenty of conservative professors (in the business department, of course).
Indeed, it is pretty balanced at UGA. I don't know if you read the school newspaper often, but I got an editorial printed in it last semester :D
Oh, you go to UGA? Which column was it, I have a decent memory.
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Durran Korr wrote: Oh, you go to UGA? Which column was it, I have a decent memory.
Well, I did go to UGA, I transferred to Georgia State though. Anyhow, the article was about how US citizens can't trust/should be wary of what our government is doing, the link is here:

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Sir Sirius wrote:If I understand correctly this Hinkle was posting fliers posting fliers advertising a speech by Mason Weaver and now might get expelled from the college because some black students were "offended" by that. WTF? Thats just whacked.
Welcome to PC World, check your sense of outrage, fairness and integrity at the door.

I have no idea who Mason Weaver is but really that's becoming standard operating procedure. All it takes is a minority group complaing and they get their way immediately. It's worst on liberal campuses but it's just about everywhere to some degree. PC bullshit gone beserk.
Sir Sirius wrote:Also in that column:
Review-Journal wrote:And while 80 percent of American blacks had achieved literacy by 1940, the National Adult Literacy Survey and the National Assessment of Educational Progress tell us that by the year 2000, six decades of our vastly expensive modern government schools had reduced black literacy to a mere 60 percent.
:shock:
The literacy rate among African-Americans is 60 percent? 60 percent, as in 2 out of 5 blacks in the U.S. are illiterate?
Actually, I think it should be 60% illiteracy.

Have a conversation with your average black teenager. You'll be suprised that any of them are literate. Not to sound racist but the average black kid now days is a boorish, moronic lout. And it's not just poor neighborhoods, it's all of them it seems. Why is beyond me.
Sir Sirius wrote:I've heard a lot bad things about American public schools and I always though that a lot of it was excaggerated, but this is insane.
The literacy problem is predominately a black and hispanic problem.

The PC, well that's liberals in action.
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The poor literacy rate is a product of decades of essentially oppressing blacks and forcing them into second-rate educations. While that is no longer protected by law, many blacks born into the slums do not leave the slums; partly because the drug/gang business is so damn lucrative, there's little incentive to get a better life. Such problems are also sustained by the highly detrimental and terminally stupid rapper/gangsta culture that has sprung up and dominated pop culture. In my school, a good, solid school with good educational standards in a middle/upper-middle class suburban neighborhood, there are literally hundreds of people who would give their left nut(or equilevant thereof, depending upon gender) in order to live out the 'gangsta' lifestyle, evidently not knowing about the phenomally short lifespan that goes with it.
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HemlockGrey wrote:The poor literacy rate is a product of decades of essentially oppressing blacks and forcing them into second-rate educations.
Bullshit. Other minorities and oppressed groups have triumphed over such circumstances. Not to mention (as your anedote shows ) that even under the same conditions blacks tend to do poorer than whites and even many minorities.
HemlockGrey wrote:While that is no longer protected by law, many blacks born into the slums do not leave the slums; partly because the drug/gang business is so damn lucrative, there's little incentive to get a better life. Such problems are also sustained by the highly detrimental and terminally stupid rapper/gangsta culture that has sprung up and dominated pop culture.
Which is the problem. They've dug themselves into the hole and for all the bitching of so many "civil rights leaders" it's not "The Man" that keeping them down; it's their own shitty sub-culture.
HemlockGrey wrote:In my school, a good, solid school with good educational standards in a middle/upper-middle class suburban neighborhood, there are literally hundreds of people who would give their left nut(or equilevant thereof, depending upon gender) in order to live out the 'gangsta' lifestyle, evidently not knowing about the phenomally short lifespan that goes with it.
It was the same deal in my high school. It's a cultural problem among the black community in America.
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HemlockGrey wrote:The poor literacy rate is a product of decades of essentially oppressing blacks and forcing them into second-rate educations. While that is no longer protected by law, many blacks born into the slums do not leave the slums; partly because the drug/gang business is so damn lucrative, there's little incentive to get a better life. Such problems are also sustained by the highly detrimental and terminally stupid rapper/gangsta culture that has sprung up and dominated pop culture. In my school, a good, solid school with good educational standards in a middle/upper-middle class suburban neighborhood, there are literally hundreds of people who would give their left nut(or equilevant thereof, depending upon gender) in order to live out the 'gangsta' lifestyle, evidently not knowing about the phenomally short lifespan that goes with it.
It's also the result of people like Jesse Jackson an Al Sharpton and other race hustlers, telling the last couple of generations of Black kids, over and over and over, that Whitey's rigged the system; Whitey's keeping them down;Whitey's never gonna let 'em succeed, etc.. The predictable, and indeed inevitable, result of them hearing this for so long is that they decide that if the game is rigged against them, they'd only be suckers to play. So why study and work to achieve good grades? They'll only fail anyway; Whitey'll make sure of that. Why work their way up from minimum wage jobs trying to succeed honestly; Whitey'll just make sure they never make it. If the game's rigged, only a chump would stay in and play it, and the young Black kids say "I ain't gonna be nobody's chump", and so they join gangs, they sell drugs, they steal cars, they burglarize homes, they mug people on the street, they knock over convenience stores, etc. etc..

The last couple of generations of black kids have been listening to what the race hustlers like Jackson and Sharpton have been telling them. And they've listened so well that even Jackson once said that when he hears footsteps behind him on a city street at night, and turns aroung to see a white kid following him, he's relieved. The only problem is that Jackson doesn't see just how much responsibility he has for making things turn out this way.
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If whitey keep the blacks down then how does JJ AS and LF explain people like Oprah,Colin Powell,Morgan Freeman and all the other blacks who made it.
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Montcalm wrote:If whitey keep the blacks down then how does JJ AS and LF explain people like Oprah,Colin Powell,Morgan Freeman and all the other blacks who made it.
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