Bounty hunter faces Mexican prison term

[Colonel Olrik]

You know, Shep, a racist fucker like Umberto Bossi, who wanks to pics of Mussolini, is not a good example of proper and humane behaviour. Italy and its government are going down hard if an inccident like shooting emmigrants ever happens. I don't expect that law to pass or to be effectively implemented.

Whatever. Rampant, unchecked immigration is the surest way to destroy
a country? Why do you think the nations of Europe are slowly coming
around to harder lines?

There's a difference between harder lines and kill innocent people who have given everything up for a hope of a better life. Exercising pressure in those countries (and aiding them out of poverty), repatriating illegal emmigrants, OK. Treating human beings like dogs makes us no better than third world tinpot dictators.

[RedImperator]

Sheppard, if you could increase your standard of living by 4-5 times and still have enough money left to send home to give some support your extended family, just by walking a few miles through the desert and violating the laws of a country which fucked yours over in the first place]/b]--would you do it?

Now hold on here. Yeah, we fucked Mexico--and the Romans fucked the Gauls, and every country in the western hemisphere (or their colonial antecedents) fucked the Indians. What's done is done as far as that goes. Maybe I'm misreading your post, but Mexico isn't a shithole because they lost their northern territories. They're a shithole because they've been run by a parade of corrupt asswipes who have never respected personal liberty or property rights since the first Maya figured out how to put one rock on top of another. What happened in 1848 has nothing to do with Mexico's present condition, though their clusterfuck of a government had a whole lot to do with why they lost the southwest in the first place.

[HemlockGrey]

And I would like to point out that it was America that kicked the French out of Mexico after the Civil War.

[MKSheppard]

There's a difference between harder lines and kill innocent people who have given everything up for a hope of a better life.

Well then, my line is if you're trying to cross the border illegally, you
get a five year sentence at hard labor automatically, working to
put together houses or some shit in Arizona in the hot sun in the
tent jail run by Sheriff Joe Arapio.

[Pablo Sanchez]

The Mexicans deserved to have their land taken away because they're incompetent corrupt turd world assholes who nationalized American oil companies in the 1940s...Gee, fat lot of help that oil wealth did in helping the country move ahead

You're a fucking idiot, Shep. Does the fact that a full century separates these two incidents mean anything to you?

Blow me. I don't like Mexicans. I could have used stronger insults,
but I didn't.

Here's an insult for you: Ignorant racist palmfucker.

Ha, try explaining that to my Grandmother - her husband had to
work nearly continously at a shitty gas station job during that time.

Do you understand what the word "comparatively" means, Sheppard, or was I aiming too high?

[Pablo Sanchez]

Maybe I'm misreading your post, but Mexico isn't a shithole because they lost their northern territories.

You were misreading it. I was referring to the common feeling of resentment against the US government which exists in Mexico.

And I would like to point out that it was America that kicked the French out of Mexico after the Civil War.

And I suppose the facts that the imperial administration had become an unsupportable and profitless quagmire, that French troops were suffering from very low morale and losing ground to the guerrillas throughout the country, and that the whole support of the populace was with the guerrillas was so much less important than diplomatic pressure from the USA.

Well then, my line is if you're trying to cross the border illegally, you get a five year sentence at hard labor automatically, working to put together houses or some shit in Arizona in the hot sun in the tent jail run by Sheriff Joe Arapio.

That's not outside the USA's authority, although it would be an unpopular decision and would accomplish nothing in the way of slowing the emigration.

[MKSheppard]

You're a fucking idiot, Shep. Does the fact that a full century separates these two incidents mean anything to you?

Yet they're still wallowing in their own shit - Christ, in a century we went
from an agricultural shithole to the world's premier economic power, yet
mexico continues to be nothing more than cheep labor.

Here's an insult for you: Ignorant racist palmfucker.

I don't care much for mexicans or anyone else who tries
to come into this country illegally. They can all jump off
a pier into shark-filled waters for all I care.

That's not outside the USA's authority, although it would be an unpopular decision and would accomplish nothing in the way of slowing the emigration.

HAHAHHA



Guess what?

In 1954, during the Eisenhower Administration, INS Commissioner Gen. Joseph May Swing instituted a mass search- and-removal operation targeting illegal aliens from Mexico scattered throughout the Southwest and Midwest. It coordinated the efforts of the U.S. Border Patrol, municipal, county, state and local police forces, along with the military. The coordinated and strategic use of resources and manpower soon produced positive results. In Texas, the nation’s second-largest state, the government needed only around 700 men to do the job, netting approximately 4,800 deportees on its first day and 1,100 daily thereafter. Deportees were shipped back to Mexico via rail and ship, often deep into the interior of the country to discourage recidivism. When funding for the initiative ran out that fall, the INS claimed some 2.1 million removals, including those who voluntarily returned to Mexico before and during the operation. Following the 1954 effort, illegal immigration dwindled until the mid-1960s.

We've done it before...

[Pablo Sanchez]

Yet they're still wallowing in their own shit - Christ, in a century we went from an agricultural shithole to the world's premier economic power, yet mexico continues to be nothing more than cheep labor.

America was blessed to have been founded by the British, who gave us both a tradition of stable government and a superior socioeconomic position to what the Spaniards left.

I don't care much for mexicans or anyone else who tries
to come into this country illegally. They can all jump off
a pier into shark-filled waters for all I care.

You're a fucking idiot. There are a lot of Mexicans who came into America legally, a lot of them naturalized citizens, most of whom are more American than you.

Guess what?

What's funny about that concept was that it wasn't at all what you were suggesting in the first place. The least you could do is make a fucking attempt to stick to your argument, instead of bringing up a new one when you're confronted.

[MKSheppard]

America was blessed to have been founded by the British, who gave us both a tradition of stable government and a superior socioeconomic position to what the Spaniards left.

Yeah, yeah yeah. Taiwan started out from nothing following the exile of
the Nationalists to that little island, and it's now one of the premier economic hubs of Asia. And that was under a despotic government.

Besides, the Mexican government has been exploiting America for a
very long time, using us as a cheep pressure valve to avoid having
the kind of societal changes that swept America in the 60s happen
to their little corrupt insular system.

(take a look at the ethnicity of those crossing the border and compare
it with the high ranking officials of the mexican government)

You're a fucking idiot. There are a lot of Mexicans who came into America legally, a lot of them naturalized citizens, most of whom are more American than you.

No, YOU'RE the fucking idiot. Despite me specifically saying "illegal", you
tried to alter the terms of this debate by referring to legal mexican immigrants.

News Flash, if you immigrate legally, I'll welcome you with open arms,
but if you attempt to circumvent our laws, I'll be more than happy to
drop you off at the local INS station.

And guess what? We put people back on the boat home at Ellis Island because
*GASP* they had diseases! We had virtually wiped out TB in this country
decades ago, until the mexicans started flooding across the border, without
any medical checks at all. And Surprise! Mr TB is making a comeback!

The least you could do is make a fucking attempt to stick to your argument, instead of bringing up a new one when you're confronted.

I'm surprised with you Pablo. You said that we couldn't deport them or
do all kinds of nasty things because it would piss people off. Suprise, we
deported over a million of the scumbags in 1954, and over a million more
in America decided it wasn't so hot to stay here with the Federales looking
for them, and that in return, made illegal immigration fall to a level which
it wouldn't recover for a decade.

[Darth Wong]

Shep, Mexicans immigrate because the border is too long to control and because Americans pay them. How long do you think they would stay if not for countless Americans taking a nudge-nudge, wink-wink attitude to immigration laws? They stay because SOMEBODY will pay them to stay.

In any case, when you go to another country, you should always research their laws first. Americans have a nasty habit of going to other countries and assuming that for some reason, their own laws travel with them.

[Pablo Sanchez]

Yeah, yeah yeah. Taiwan started out from nothing following the exile of the Nationalists to that little island, and it's now one of the premier economic hubs of Asia. And that was under a despotic government.

A government which incidentally recieved massive economic and military support from the democratic nations of the world.

Besides, the Mexican government has been exploiting America for a very long time, using us as a cheep pressure valve to avoid having the kind of societal changes that swept America in the 60s happen to their little corrupt insular system.

Yeah. And I'm sure that the people who hire the illegal immigrants bear no responsibility whatsoever.

(take a look at the ethnicity of those crossing the border and compare it with the high ranking officials of the mexican government)

You seem to forget that the most problematic region in Mexico, the one most in need of such "pressure relief" is the SOUTH.

No, YOU'RE the fucking idiot. Despite me specifically saying "illegal", you tried to alter the terms of this debate by referring to legal mexican immigrants.

News Flash, if you immigrate legally, I'll welcome you with open arms,
but if you attempt to circumvent our laws, I'll be more than happy to
drop you off at the local INS station.

Oh, really? This is what you said, verbatim:
"I don't care much for mexicans or anyone else who tries
to come into this country illegally. They can all jump off
a pier into shark-filled waters for all I care." (emphasis mine)

To everyone here who didn't write that paragraph, it reads that you're generalizing and saying that all Mexicans are illegal immigrants. If you're going to get up in arms about something like this, then I'd suggest you learn how to express yourself first.

The context makes it worse for you, as well. You used a racial slur against Mexicans, I called you on it, and you responded with the above. Now what the fuck is that supposed to look like, Shep? Because I know what it does look like.

And guess what? We put people back on the boat home at Ellis Island because
*GASP* they had diseases! We had virtually wiped out TB in this country
decades ago, until the mexicans started flooding across the border, without
any medical checks at all. And Surprise! Mr TB is making a comeback!

I don't know what this has to do with anything we're debating here.

I'm surprised with you Pablo. You said that we couldn't deport them or do all kinds of nasty things because it would piss people off. Suprise, we
deported over a million of the scumbags in 1954, and over a million more
in America decided it wasn't so hot to stay here with the Federales looking
for them, and that in return, made illegal immigration fall to a level which
it wouldn't recover for a decade.

1- You said that we should lock them up and put them in hard labor. You changed your argument; if you're just going to post some stream of consciousness bullshit and total fail to maintain your position, I'm going to stop bothering with this waste of time.

2- The fact that they ceased the operation and have not continued it or any permutation of it since the 50's seems to indicate to me that it is not exactly the rosy perfection that you're presenting. Besides which, the rate of illegal immigration was small in that era compared to the problem today.