Best vampires

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-07-09 12:01am

Yup...
[freud mode]Yes yes, you see, the act of the bite on the neck with the...long...hard....teeth....is so...very...very....clearly...ah...eh...metaphor......penetration......eh, excuse me....my mother....er....[/freud mode]

Majin Gojira · Post by **Majin Gojira** » 2003-07-09 07:46am

Master of Ossus wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:But powerful or weak, I would always keep them as monsters, not lovers...
Thing about this is, they started off as lovers. In Bram Stoker's Dracula, when they bite people it's just an excuse to sneak around the unspoken law at the time that you can't write about sexual intercourse in a published book. If he were trying to write the same book today, it would almost be a porno novel.

Before Stoker, they were simply animated corpses that rose frm the dead to drain the living, and they smelled like rotting flesh still.

Yes, there were vampires before Stoker.

God, It annoys me when people think that the end-all-be-all vampires come from "Dracula". it's a good book and all, but don't be dilusional. Kigaltiliks, Azeman, Anchanchu, Yara-Ma-Ya-Who...all come before Dracula.

Dracula didn't originate Vampires--it merely popularized them.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-07-09 03:40pm

Majin Gojira wrote:
Master of Ossus wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:But powerful or weak, I would always keep them as monsters, not lovers...
Thing about this is, they started off as lovers. In Bram Stoker's Dracula, when they bite people it's just an excuse to sneak around the unspoken law at the time that you can't write about sexual intercourse in a published book. If he were trying to write the same book today, it would almost be a porno novel.
Before Stoker, they were simply animated corpses that rose frm the dead to drain the living, and they smelled like rotting flesh still.

Yes, there were vampires before Stoker.

God, It annoys me when people think that the end-all-be-all vampires come from "Dracula". it's a good book and all, but don't be dilusional. Kigaltiliks, Azeman, Anchanchu, Yara-Ma-Ya-Who...all come before Dracula.

Dracula didn't originate Vampires--it merely popularized them.

Hell, the Dracula legend is actually older than the novel for that matter.

Death from the Sea · Post by **Death from the Sea** » 2003-07-09 03:47pm

weemadando wrote:Rice did the most damage - "Hey look at me, I'm immortal with amazing powers and I'm also an angsty fucktard pretty boy - oh, oh, woe is me!"

well to be fair, the whole deal with Angel was like that for a long time, and kinda still is(the whole angst thing)

Buffy made Vampires fun again - "if every vampire who claimed to be at the cruxifiction had been there, it would have been like Woodstock. Now I was at Woodstock - I ate a flowerperson; and spent the next two days looking at my hand."

Spike truly made vampires look fun but also dangerous, one of the things I liked about Spike was that he didn't want the world to end because all of the 'walking happy meals' would disappear.

Majin Gojira · Post by **Majin Gojira** » 2003-07-09 04:18pm

Buffy vamps are "Post-Modernist" vampires. We get the ancient Mindless killer Vampires of the past and the Brooding Modernist hunk vampires (Well, Vampire, really, which makes it much better). Best of both worlds.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-07-09 04:38pm

Stormbringer wrote:
Hell, the Dracula legend is actually older than the novel for that matter.

Romania actually produced wooden rifle bullets for civilians from the 1880's through about 1910 so they could protect themselves.

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2003-07-11 06:58am

Rye wrote:Another thing i was thinking of adding to the mythos was to change the religious icon thing slightly. Instead of the icon having a constant effect, the effect it has would be relative to the person's faith in the object, or perhaps less effect depending on how faithful the vampire was before it was turned.

The Doctor Who episode "The Curse Of Fenric" focussed on this concept quite pointedly. In battling the vampires (called haemovores in the story) it was exactly the strength of the person's faith which provided the protection against them. The Doctor had his faith in his companions as Ace's faith lay in the Doctor, while the Russian Capt. Sorin's faith was in the Revolution —so much so that he was able to call upon it to paralyse two vampires even when he didn't have his Red Army officer's pin to wield as an icon. By contrast, the Reverend Mr. Wainwright had lost his religious faith as a result of the horrible carnage of World War II. His Bible provided absolutely no protection whatsoever, and he got eaten.

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2003-07-11 07:12am

I actually rather liked the Sonja Blue series...

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-07-11 07:16am

Patrick Degan wrote:
The Doctor Who episode "The Curse Of Fenric" focussed on this concept quite pointedly. In battling the vampires (called haemovores in the story) it was exactly the strength of the person's faith which provided the protection against them. The Doctor had his faith in his companions as Ace's faith lay in the Doctor, while the Russian Capt. Sorin's faith was in the Revolution —so much so that he was able to call upon it to paralyse two vampires even when he didn't have his Red Army officer's pin to wield as an icon. By contrast, the Reverend Mr. Wainwright had lost his religious faith as a result of the horrible carnage of World War II. His Bible provided absolutely no protection whatsoever, and he got eaten.

That's really cool. Which Doctor? And more importantly, can I get it on DVD?

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2003-07-11 05:19pm

Vympel wrote:
Patrick Degan wrote:
The Doctor Who episode "The Curse Of Fenric" focussed on this concept quite pointedly. In battling the vampires (called haemovores in the story) it was exactly the strength of the person's faith which provided the protection against them. The Doctor had his faith in his companions as Ace's faith lay in the Doctor, while the Russian Capt. Sorin's faith was in the Revolution —so much so that he was able to call upon it to paralyse two vampires even when he didn't have his Red Army officer's pin to wield as an icon. By contrast, the Reverend Mr. Wainwright had lost his religious faith as a result of the horrible carnage of World War II. His Bible provided absolutely no protection whatsoever, and he got eaten.
That's really cool. Which Doctor? And more importantly, can I get it on DVD?

Sylvester McCoy. From 1989 and one I rate among the Top 5 of the entire series. It's been out on VHS for a few years now but I believe it may be on DVD. Check with BBC America or Suncoast Video.

A nice touch of the story is the setting: Maiden's Bay, on the north Yorkshire coast. Near Whitby —where the sailing barque Demeter shipwrecked. You should know the significance of that in vampire lore.