Can Data outmatch a terminator??

[greenmm]

actually, the scenario is a little unrealistic, as it assumes Data has done nothing to try to evade the T-1000.

Besides, if we were ST writers, we'd have Data access the security system and activate security force fields to block the T-1000 in.

[NecronLord]

Which doesn't explain how he can be frozen and shattered, and then re-form. or where it would get it's power from.

If it were made up of nanomachines, my god, there would be absolutely no spaces between the little robots,

how do you explain the phrase liquid metal
how do you explain the phrase, mimetic poly alloy, in the same sentence, both pointing to a metal, not to mention, in the description of the t-1000, don't you think that would be an important point to say, instead of liquid metal? if it were nano machines?
doesn't make any sense,

Fine I admit that i mean to say he possibly contains nano-machines, i did not propose that he was pure nanobot.

what part of the word POSSIBLY do you not understand?

If you recall i said I did not belive this hypothesis.

SO GET BACK TO THE BLOODY F**KING POING OF THE THREAD AND STOP ARGUING ABOUT TWO WORDS SEVERAL PAGES BACK!!!

[NecronLord]

There are numerous ways that data can win, he does not have to shoot it with a phaser.

[Omega-13]

There are numerous ways that data can win, he does not have to shoot it with a phaser.

can he get out of the turbo lift though to do these things

[NecronLord]

probably not, since when did any of you think I said data would win? I said that he could, in theory.

[Omega-13]

I think he could in theory aswell, get out of the turbo lift, but that would mean he'd have to use the 9mm, and blast the entire clip into the t-1000's face to stun him, cause a few rounds to the chest isn't going to do anything

[NecronLord]

I'ts an if in 'reality' data is gonna get slaughtered.

[Schmitty_Mgee]

T-1000 pretends to be ugly E-D hallway carpet. Data unknowingly walks over T-1000, who rises up, taking Data's form. Data turns around in shock as T-1000 stabs Data in the face. Data falls to the deck, dead. T-1000 touches a comm panel on the wall.

"Data to Picard. I have eliminated the intruder."

"Excellent, Mr. Data. Come to my Ready Room and give a full report."

"On my way..."

now THAT is something befitting T-1000
die picard u moronic frenchman(nothing against frenchman there its just that picard is a pussy)

[Omega-13]

Just thinking, if data is now bullet proof, would the t-1000 even be able to slash him or penetrate his new skin?

[IronicTwist]

Just thinking, if data is now bullet proof, would the t-1000 even be able to slash him or penetrate his new skin?

Bulletproof does not necessarily mean knife proof. You could easily push a knife through Kevlar, which is designed to spread blunt trauma over a large surface area. A knive is not blunt (or isn't supposed to be).

If Data was bulletproof because of large metal plates, instead of soft material like Kevlar, the plate could stop a knife (unless the knife goes in the seams between plates). The price for this is weight and limited manuverability. Since Data seems as flexible as the average human (or better), he does not seem to be hampered by rigid plate armor.

If his armor is flexible it's likely a knife could penetrate it.

[Oberleutnant]

Unfortunately I don't remember the exact name of the episode, but it happened during the season 7 of TNG. Data was stranded on a planet whose technology was roughly comparable to medieval Europe and something had wiped out his memory. In the episode, an alien peasant AKA human in ragged clothes plunged a metallic bar (it was probably a farming tool) straight through Data's chest, deactivating him. There was no mention or indication of aliens' superhuman sttrenght capabilities, so we can assume they are like humans. So Data's "armour" certainly isn't as strong as what for example T-800 had.

[Oberleutnant]

Taken from Stardestroyer.net's database:


TNG Season 7, Ep# 168: "Thine Own Self"

SKORAN: You tried to kill us all, but you won't succeed... I won't let you!
SCREENPLAY: Skoran rushes up and drives a spear through Data's back, impaling him on the metal rod ... Data turns and looks at the now quiet crowd, jerks once or twice... then falls to the ground, dead.

Computers and Androids: Data is disabled by Skoran's attack, and remains disabled until he can be repaired on the Enterprise. This tells us two things about the Federation's famed android:

His body is not strong enough to withstand the pressure applied by a man wielding a primitive spear made using

metallurgical techniques roughly on par with Earth's Renaissance period.
Wayne Poe notes that his self-repair systems are inferior to those of a Cyberdyne Systems Model 101 Terminator, since Arnold took a metal rod clean through the chest in T2 and was able to get back up on his feet without outside help.

(large parts snipped)

If it was a very hard spear with a sharpened tip, it is entirely possible that it would indeed penetrate where the M-16's bullets could not. There are real-life bulletproof vests which cannot stop a knife or a spear, so this theory is not without precedent.

[Mr Bean]

If it was a very hard spear with a sharpened tip, it is entirely possible that it would indeed penetrate where the M-16's bullets could not. There are real-life bulletproof vests which cannot stop a knife or a spear, so this theory is not without precedent

Except the speed of Skoran is know and the amount of force applyed even if it had a super dense Neutroum point is so little its barley above what is needed to drive a spear through a man

A 1/2 inch think steel plate 3 inchs square would be enough to stop the piecring if not the KE of that attack

And need I point out your comparsion is flawed Bullet-proof vests are NOT designed to deal with CQB weapons like bayonets and knives,

[Oberleutnant]

Blame Darth Wong, not me! The only parts what I wrote of that post was the first line, though it does look like I also wrote the last sentence.

[Darth Wong]

I think the point is simply that Data is not that tough. His skin is designed to stop certain types of impactors, but it's not armour. Like a bulletproof vest.

[Slartibartfast]

When Data was hit by machinegun fire, there was a distinct metal sound (like slugs impacting on solid metal and bouncing) something that is not (to my knowledge) normal behavior of ballistic materials or fabrics - these tend to cushion the impact, so the sound of a bullet hitting it would be more of a thud, if there is any sound at all.

I don't know where or when Data gots his armor plate, but I don't think he ever had it until ST:FC

Also in the episode where Q sends everyone to Sherwood, Counselor Troi hits him in the chest with a common arrow, and it penetrates just like it were a normal person.

But I don't think he has been given metal plates, and I think it's just bad writing (they thought it would have been cool to have a 21th Century person surprised that her bullets bounced), it would have been just as effective gimmick if the bullets went thru but didn't affect Data too badly (like the arrow before)

[Omega-13]

Just another example of Trek not following the story line. Regardless, if it is infact a metal plate, (I remember the sound it made aswell) could it be that its only protecting his chest? Where some of his vital systems are? Reason I say this is because I don't see how they would put metal plates at joints, and along his arms and such, cause they look the same size, how about his neck? etc. Doesn't seem possible, and there is no visible change in his size. One more possible answer. When the bullets hit data, the pushed the kevlar (i'll use kevlar just to make this simple) into his systems, which are metallic, which made them "ding" It still stopped the bullet, but it just pressed inward.
Put kevlar infront of your stove, and shoot it, you'll hear a ding, but the bullet won't go through, infact I think this is the simplest explanation.

[RayCav of ASVS]

Summary

Data is so, so, so very fucked

[Larz]

Omega-13 wrote...

Just another example of Trek not following the story line. Regardless, if it is infact a metal plate, (I remember the sound it made aswell) could it be that its only protecting his chest? Where some of his vital systems are? Reason I say this is because I don't see how they would put metal plates at joints, and along his arms and such, cause they look the same size, how about his neck? etc. Doesn't seem possible, and there is no visible change in his size. One more possible answer. When the bullets hit data, the pushed the kevlar (i'll use kevlar just to make this simple) into his systems, which are metallic, which made them "ding" It still stopped the bullet, but it just pressed inward.
Put kevlar infront of your stove, and shoot it, you'll hear a ding, but the bullet won't go through, infact I think this is the simplest explanation.

If Data's chest is the only part of him that is protected, then he is fucked. If we make the assumption that whatever armor protects datas chest is resistant to ballistic weapons and melee weapons, it still means that the rest of his body is vunerable. T-1000 can simple blade his arms and take of Datas: arms, hands, legs, hip, head. All the intelligence in Data's head can't do a bit of good if its rolling around on the ground. To prevent Data's super fast typing speeds at a counsol, T-1000 could simply tear apart Data's hands, disabling his ability to use the touch screens of Star Trek. Lastly, Data is a generally peacefull android, though he may have combat techniques programed into him he does not have the body nor the simple kill, kill, kill some more programming that allows him to focus on battle alone. Plain and simple: Data loses his head and has his ass handed to him by T-1000, end-of-story.

[Gandalf]

Depending how the hand to hand combat goes...

If he appears to be losing...
Data would probably seal the turbolift and send it into this stuff at the bottom of the shaft.

If Data somehoe gets away...
Data could go to a weapons locker and grab a phaser, he has the authorisation to do so.It's been seen that Phasers can melt metal, (as seen in The Enemy), when LaForge melts some to make some of those spikes that you put in a cliff to help climb it. Logically couldn't he just shoot the T-1000 with that, or better, with a phaser rifle?

If you don't buy that, Data could seal him somewhere with a force field and get help in whatever form was needed/available.

[Omega-13]

Depending how the hand to hand combat goes...

If he appears to be losing...
Data would probably seal the turbolift and send it into this stuff at the bottom of the shaft.

agreed, though he cant' seal it, cause the doors are smashed, but he could still send them both to their doom.

If Data somehoe gets away...
Data could go to a weapons locker and grab a phaser, he has the authorisation to do so.It's been seen that Phasers can melt metal, (as seen in The Enemy), when LaForge melts some to make some of those spikes that you put in a cliff to help climb it. Logically couldn't he just shoot the T-1000 with that, or better, with a phaser rifle?

though, these same phaser rifles make sparks on a wall sometimes, I guess it depends on the metal.

If you don't buy that, Data could seal him somewhere with a force field and get help in whatever form was needed/available.

yea he could, he'd have to get main power back online,