Smaug vs. Hogwarts

Post by **fgalkin** » 2003-07-10 01:01am

Inspired by all the vs. Hogwarts threads. Could Smaug destroy Hogwarts and fry/eat all of its inhabbitants?

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Shadow WarChief · Post by **Shadow WarChief** » 2003-07-10 01:50am

Well it really depends on whether or not Smaug has any magic resistance. Dragons in the HP universe seem to have magic resistant skin but that probably doesn't carry over to the tolkien-verse.

Well anyways, if Smaug [/i]doesn't[/i] have magic resistant skin, then even a 2nd year would be able to immobolize him.

It's been a while since I've read the hobbit so could anyone answer this question?

Jadeite · Post by **Jadeite** » 2003-07-10 02:02am

Im pretty sure Smaug was magic resistant.

darthdavid · Post by **darthdavid** » 2003-07-10 02:22am

Well 8-10 ministry wizards can stupeify a dragon so the 30-40 da members or the teachers should be able to deal with smaug. Though i would expect some causualties/structural dammage.

Jawawithagun · Post by **Jawawithagun** » 2003-07-10 03:59am

Wouldn't work. Hagrid would never let them hurt him.

Darth Gojira · Post by **Darth Gojira** » 2003-07-10 08:00am

Jawawithagun wrote:Wouldn't work. Hagrid would never let them hurt him.

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Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2003-07-10 01:34pm

darthdavid wrote:Well 8-10 ministry wizards can stupeify a dragon so the 30-40 da members or the teachers should be able to deal with smaug. Though i would expect some causualties/structural dammage.

Um... Smaug is a wee bit more dangerous than the dragons they have in HP.

darthdavid · Post by **darthdavid** » 2003-07-10 02:52pm

And hundreds of students and 20-30 teachers are alot more powerful than 8-10 ministry wizzards.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-07-10 09:19pm

I don't have detailed knowledge of the Potter-verse but I'd wager Smaug could eat them all. Dragons don't seem to be vulnerable to magic; it just doesn't seem to bother them much. And Smaug's mean enough to take the place out. He is one of the last dragons and is the last of the winged fire-drakes.

And lets face it, the Potter universe isn't that high up on the bad ass wizard scale.

TheFeniX · Post by **TheFeniX** » 2003-07-10 09:23pm

Since Greyhawk was licensed into AD&D a while back, would using AD&D rules to decide this be alright? Smaug was an elder dragon, and they get up very high in the magic resistance area. Don't forget, Dragons have magic of their own.

Darth Gojira · Post by **Darth Gojira** » 2003-07-11 07:47am

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Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-07-11 12:56pm

I'd give this one to Hogwarts. They have dealt with dragons before and mos of the staff and more reconizeable students seem up to it.

Post by **fgalkin** » 2003-07-11 01:50pm

Admiral Johnason wrote:I'd give this one to Hogwarts. They have dealt with dragons before and mos of the staff and more reconizeable students seem up to it.

Not Tolkienverse Dragons, though. Rowlingverse dragons are puny creatures, thy are no match for Smaug.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Eframepilot · Post by **Eframepilot** » 2003-07-11 08:12pm

fgalkin wrote:
Admiral Johnason wrote:I'd give this one to Hogwarts. They have dealt with dragons before and mos of the staff and more reconizeable students seem up to it.
Not Tolkienverse Dragons, though. Rowlingverse dragons are puny creatures, thy are no match for Smaug.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Remember what took Smaug out? An arrow. One single arrow. Boromir took more punishment than that.

Of course, it was a special arrow of destiny shot by the last standing hero at Smaug's sole weak spot with a one-in-a-million (therefore guaranteed) chance of actually killing him. Nevertheless, it was a single arrow.

Smaug does have some advantages that Rowlingverse dragons don't; namely, intelligence and some mind powers. But his eyes should be vulnerable to a Conjuctivitis curse and his scales don't necessarily have the same magic resistance as Rowlingverse dragons. Even if they do, all of the faculty can probably overwhelm him.

Cosmic Average · Post by **Cosmic Average** » 2003-07-11 11:30pm

What if the dragon from Terry Pratchett's Guards! Guards! were to assist Smaug?

Eframepilot · Post by **Eframepilot** » 2003-07-11 11:40pm

Errol would get jealous and chase Smaug back to the Lonely Mountain.

SyntaxVorlon · Post by **SyntaxVorlon** » 2003-07-12 12:08am

Cosmic Average wrote:What if the dragon from Terry Pratchett's Guards! Guards! were to assist Smaug?

Errol would ass blast the bastard for trying to cuckold him and/or ram into his missing armor section at mach 1-2.

TheFeniX · Post by **TheFeniX** » 2003-07-12 12:50am

Eframepilot wrote:Remember what took Smaug out? An arrow. One single arrow. Boromir took more punishment than that.

Of course, it was a special arrow of destiny shot by the last standing hero at Smaug's sole weak spot with a one-in-a-million (therefore guaranteed) chance of actually killing him. Nevertheless, it was a single arrow.

What's your point? He exploited a weakness to kill Smaug. He only knew about it because he was explicitly told. The Hogwarts don't have a Hobbit wearing the most powerful magical item in them realm to spy on Smaug before hand. The Death Star was taken out by two torpedos that wouldn't even dent an ISD. Does that mean the one ISD could destroy a Death Star because the rebels exploited a weakness?

Smaug does have some advantages that Rowlingverse dragons don't; namely, intelligence and some mind powers. But his eyes should be vulnerable to a Conjuctivitis curse and his scales don't necessarily have the same magic resistance as Rowlingverse dragons. Even if they do, all of the faculty can probably overwhelm him.

Dragons don't need their eyes, especially Elder Dragons who can sense vibration, minute changes in air pressure, and actual lifeforce. Of course, I'm going off the specs from AD&D: Greyhawk, so depending on how you view that VS the books....

Dragons themselves have impressive arrays of spells. When played right, any dragon older than "Adult" is almost impossible to take down (even more so in his own lair).

Eframepilot · Post by **Eframepilot** » 2003-07-12 01:32am

TheFeniX wrote:What's your point? He exploited a weakness to kill Smaug. He only knew about it because he was explicitly told. The Hogwarts don't have a Hobbit wearing the most powerful magical item in them realm to spy on Smaug before hand. The Death Star was taken out by two torpedos that wouldn't even dent an ISD. Does that mean the one ISD could destroy a Death Star because the rebels exploited a weakness?

That is a particularly bad analogy. Smaug is far less powerful than the Death Star, and his weak spot is visible to anyone in the position to see it (mind you, anyone in such a position has a very short life expectancy). And Smaug can be overwhelmed by concentrated Stunners, or likely killed outright by the unblockable Avada Kedavra (technically illegal, but Dumbledore or Snape could get away with it to save the castle).

Dragons don't need their eyes, especially Elder Dragons who can sense vibration, minute changes in air pressure, and actual lifeforce. Of course, I'm going off the specs from AD&D: Greyhawk, so depending on how you view that VS the books....

Dragons themselves have impressive arrays of spells. When played right, any dragon older than "Adult" is almost impossible to take down (even more so in his own lair).

Smaug is not an AD&D Elder Dragon, though. He is a Tolkienverse dragon, and we cannot assume any more powers than the ones he displays in the books. Magic in Middle-Earth is extraordinarily uneven, anyway. The Valar and high-level Maiar are continent-shifting, but the lower-level Maiar such as Saruman and Gandalf are... not. Saruman fled from an Ent and Gandalf the Grey was cornered up a pine tree by goblins and Wargs. His weapon of choice? Flaming pine cones.

Darth Gojira · Post by **Darth Gojira** » 2003-07-12 07:45am

I wonder how Smaug could do against Godzila?

darthdavid · Post by **darthdavid** » 2003-07-12 01:09pm

Smaug VS Dun dun da da da daaaaaaa! Bambi.

TheFeniX · Post by **TheFeniX** » 2003-07-12 06:48pm

Eframepilot wrote:
TheFeniX wrote:What's your point? He exploited a weakness to kill Smaug. He only knew about it because he was explicitly told. The Hogwarts don't have a Hobbit wearing the most powerful magical item in them realm to spy on Smaug before hand. The Death Star was taken out by two torpedos that wouldn't even dent an ISD. Does that mean the one ISD could destroy a Death Star because the rebels exploited a weakness?
That is a particularly bad analogy. Smaug is far less powerful than the Death Star, and his weak spot is visible to anyone in the position to see it (mind you, anyone in such a position has a very short life expectancy). And Smaug can be overwhelmed by concentrated Stunners, or likely killed outright by the unblockable Avada Kedavra (technically illegal, but Dumbledore or Snape could get away with it to save the castle).

How is your arguement any better? You make it seem like Smaug was killed by an ordinary arrow, even though you admit that it was an extremely powerful arrow fired by a man of destiny.

That warrior would have been killed by Smaug had he not exploited that weakness, just like Luke would not have destroyed the DS if not for exploiting it's weakness.

Only the Bilbo got close enough to see Samug's missing scale. No one is going to be able to view it when he's flying at over 100mph, and shooting flames and whatever else at them.

I've played AD&D in the "Tolkienverse." Hence why I asked if anyone would subscribe to AD&D rules being in effect. No one answered, so I went ahead and used them.