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BTW, who wasn't expecting a load of crap like this from Sheen? Ever since he threatened to move to Canada if we went to war (and didn't carry through), I have lost all respect for him.
I'd like to see a real quote of him saying this. People falsely attributed a similar comment to Alec Baldwin.
I agree that there's no evidence Sheen said that. However, there's a good bit of evidence that Baldwin did, and Robert Altman said it on film (and then tried to deny it).

As a side note, Sheen once said that the USA is "a land of lunatics".
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This is just laughable. I love his movies and everything, but calling him "right-wing" is ridiculous. How exactly did you come up with this list?
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Coyote wrote:Hamel, something else to bear in mind is that I cannot recll any reight wing celebrity coming out and shouting from the rooftops inane things like, "If Bill Clinton marches on Yugoslavia, I'm moving to Calcutta" or "If Al Gore gets elected, I refuse to accept him as my president".
No, we just have Charlton Heston calling government agents "jack-booted thugs" and arguing that the people need the means to violently overthrow the government. The only reason that this statement (repeated incredibly often, and by a huge number of people) is not considered "inane" is that it has been so widely disseminated that it has entered into the realm of automatically accepted maxims. Anybody can state that the purpose of gun rights is violent overthrow of the government rather than hunting or self-defense and nobody even bats an eyelash.

The "left-wing media" is a myth. They are left-wing on some things, right-wing on others. The media mindlessly parrots many right-wing platforms, such as the social reactionary myth of the Good Old Days (for example), not to mention the "agrarian = good cultural values" myth and the "religion = morality" myth. People who say things based on those myths are somehow not considered kooks, even though such claims are every bit as asinine as left-wing PETA nonsense.
The closest thing I can recall off the top of my head was bumper stickers that went out during the Clinton-Gore years saying "Charlton Heston is my President" but those were grass-roots not some celebrity ranting away.

These left wing celebs then put their feet in their mouths after screeching about how they were oing to leave the US if Bush did this or that....but they're still here sucking up money from the poor with their 'entertainment'. In other words, they revealed themselves as hypocritical mouth-offs and nothng more.
Name someone famous who is not a hypocritical mouth-off. Leftists generally rely more on visibility than money to get their wishes, but that doesn't mean that right-wingers don't make goofy statements. They just don't make an effort to publicize them.
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Perinquus wrote:Hell, in the last presidential election, Al Gore used misinformation (i.e. he lied) about prescription drug costs, in an attempt to scare seniors into voting for him instead of Bush.
As opposed to the fear-mongering and misinformation the Republicans used to sell the War on Iraq?
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...Wow. Politicians are liars. I would never have guessed that. Actors are liars. Wow. I wouldn't have figured someone who is paid for their ability to slip on someone else's personality like a coat could lie.

Sorry. One of those days, needed to say something.
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Darth Wong wrote:... we just have Charlton Heston calling government agents "jack-booted thugs" and arguing that the people need the means to violently overthrow the government.
Please remember that the term "Jack-booted thugs" was used in reference to Gov't police by Democrat Senator Tom Daschle on the House floor during a debate over the Waco debacle. It was later picked up by the NRA as well as numerous other groups and made popular. But a liberal was the first to say it.
Anybody can state that the purpose of gun rights is violent overthrow of the government rather than hunting or self-defense and nobody even bats an eyelash.
The "violent overthrow of the government", such as an attack on gov't institutions and people, is not what is advocated, but maintaining the ability to fight a government that has become an oppressive, Nazi-like tyrant state. Some would argue that it lready has but at the moment I think it is hyperbole.

It is a canard of the gun-control crowd that "certain firearms have no hunting or sporting uses" but the 2nd Amendment is not a 'hunting' amandment. It is a right to keep and bear arms, not the right to hunt deer. Nowhere does it say that "the right to keep and bear arms for hunting purposes". The left wants to turn it into that, and that only.
The "left-wing media" is a myth. They are left-wing on some things, right-wing on others.
I think the media has a largely left-wing bias but are not just propagnda hcks. There is a lot of right-wing media out there, especially the talk shows and radio shows, and ever ince the media en masse went after Clinton during the Lewinsky scandal ('course they went after Starr too) I cannot say in seriousness that they are knee-jerk hacks of the Left.

In the, the media is generally only on one side-- it's own. The are in the business to make money and they'll stir whatever pot they need to to that end.
Name someone famous who is not a hypocritical mouth-off.
Eh, good point. What can be expected from people who are paid to flap their yaps?
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GL is hardly right wing. He didn't name the Neimodian Viceroy "Nute Gunray" for nothing.
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Philosophical protests aside, I can't see how an armed American public - or rather, armed segments of the American public - could - or would - coalesce into special militas to defeat some kind of up-and-coming corruption of the Democratic model. We've seen the examples. Iraq and Afghanistan have "gun cultures" far more advanced (from the point of view of fighting a sustained conflict against a central force) than that of the Untied States, and it's done them virtually no good. There are also the small caveats that American infrastructure would support an invader as easily as defenders and that both Iraqi and Afghan have been fighting for some time whereas the average American knows nothing of wilderness survival.
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Durran Korr wrote:GL is hardly right wing. He didn't name the Neimodian Viceroy "Nute Gunray" for nothing.
The freepers seem to think he's right wing
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Is there any solid evidence that 'Gunray' was supposed to be a jab at Reagan, rather than a just a futuristic-sounding name?
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HemlockGrey wrote:Is there any solid evidence that 'Gunray' was supposed to be a jab at Reagan, rather than a just a futuristic-sounding name?
'Ronald Raygun' was a jab at Reagan that referred to his whacky Star Wars initiative.
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The "Gunray" is not daming by itself, but the fact that it is coupled with "Nute" (as in Newt Gingrich) says a bit more.
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Durran Korr wrote:The "Gunray" is not daming by itself, but the fact that it is coupled with "Nute" (as in Newt Gingrich) says a bit more.
That's hardly an indication of malicious reference

What the heck a Neimodian Viceroy anyway
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The name by itself isn't but the fact that Nute Gunray is a bad guy makes it negative.

The Neimodian Viceroy is the main baddie (except for Sidious) from TPM. He apparently is the leader of the Trade Federation. It was stupid that they called him a Viceroy, too, since a Viceroy is supposed to be an agent of a monarchy, and I don't see any monarchy controlling the Trade Federation.
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Durran Korr wrote:The name by itself isn't but the fact that Nute Gunray is a bad guy makes it negative.

The Neimodian Viceroy is the main baddie (except for Sidious) from TPM. He apparently is the leader of the Trade Federation. It was stupid that they called him a Viceroy, too, since a Viceroy is supposed to be an agent of a monarchy, and I don't see any monarchy controlling the Trade Federation.
I never watched Phantom Menace. Does Nute Gunray act like Gingrich? Does he look like him? What are the similarities between the two? Nute is a very, veeery weak connection if that's all you're going by, because in that case I could point out Newt from Aliens.
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I'm sure some people would find things in common between Nute Gunray and Newt Gingrich, but I do not. In any case, the fact that the chief baddie of TPM has the names of two of the most important Republicans of the last twenty years suggests at lease some sort of connection, to me at least. This is strengthened by the fact that the Trade Federation Senator also shares his name with two American politicians (Lott Dodd).
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