0.1 wrote:Let us for the sake of argument say that the two most recent Democrats in office would have ships named after them, and the crew patterned after the behavior of the presidents. Given the choice, would you rather serve aboard a carrier named Jimmy Carter or Bill Clinton?
We'd have the CVN "let's sit around a camp fire and sing" vs CVN "Hey, how old are you again? The enlistment age is still 18 right?"
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Well, I'd think SSN-23 Jimmy Carter would be pretty prestigious. It is the last of the Seawolf's after all. Considering that the whole SSN-21 thing was an aberation- it's almost as if that SSN was fated to be killed off.
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The closest ship is the USS Walter Mondale. It's a laundry ship sir.
The Simpson's Australia episode, after Homer asks if they're going to land on a carrier.
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Vympel wrote:Well, I'd think SSN-23 Jimmy Carter would be pretty prestigious. It is the last of the Seawolf's after all. Considering that the whole SSN-21 thing was an aberation- it's almost as if that SSN was fated to be killed off.
You'd think that but in fact it’s a clever ploy by the USN. The new SSN-23 is a special operations boat. That means it will never be in the news, nor publicized in any way during its service. However the navy has taken the name out of the loop and given it to a sufficiently large and expensive vessel that no one will complain.
"This cult of special forces is as sensible as to form a Royal Corps of Tree Climbers and say that no soldier who does not wear its green hat with a bunch of oak leaves stuck in it should be expected to climb a tree"
— Field Marshal William Slim 1956
Vympel wrote:That they've already hit Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush (both of them are really- well to be frank, crappy names for a carrier- they're goofy in the fitst case and unwieldy in the latter case) makes me think they've really run out of ideas for names.
They might not have the ring of say Enterprise, Yorktown, Saratoga, or Lexington. But both men deserve it and the names certainly helped get them built. I'd rather have a super-carrier with a name people think is goofy than a great name on a crappy carrier.
Vympel wrote:Well, I'd think SSN-23 Jimmy Carter would be pretty prestigious. It is the last of the Seawolf's after all. Considering that the whole SSN-21 thing was an aberation- it's almost as if that SSN was fated to be killed off.
You'd think that but in fact it’s a clever ploy by the USN. The new SSN-23 is a special operations boat. That means it will never be in the news, nor publicized in any way during its service. However the navy has taken the name out of the loop and given it to a sufficiently large and expensive vessel that no one will complain.
I find it sort of ironic that Jimmy Carter's name would be on any military vessel let alone a special operations ship. I always seem to associate his name with the attempted Iranian hostage rescue SNAFU. I know he was only the president and not the one who planned everything but it still happened under his presidency so in my head the two always associate whether it's warranted or not.
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Tsyroc wrote:I find it sort of ironic that Jimmy Carter's name would be on any military vessel let alone a special operations ship. I always seem to associate his name with the attempted Iranian hostage rescue SNAFU. I know he was only the president and not the one who planned everything but it still happened under his presidency so in my head the two always associate whether it's warranted or not.
That and the allegation (allegation, I say, because nobody ever made anything stick to the man who was rightly dubbed the Teflon President) that Candidate Reagan committed treason by negotiating with the Iranians (with whom his Administration was known to be in bed, see also Iran-Contra) to get them to keep the hostages until after Inauguration Day, 1981.
Nothing proven, but you know, the timing was a little... um... suspicious.
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Stormbringer wrote:I'd rather have a super-carrier with a name people think is goofy than a great name on a crappy carrier.
*cough cough* HMS Invincible *hack cough hack*
Pardon me.
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Tsyroc wrote:
I find it sort of ironic that Jimmy Carter's name would be on any military vessel let alone a special operations ship. I always seem to associate his name with the attempted Iranian hostage rescue SNAFU. I know he was only the president and not the one who planned everything but it still happened under his presidency so in my head the two always associate whether it's warranted or not.
Well think about it this way. As a special operations boat the missions are mostly going to be highly classified, especially with the new SSGN's handling larger high profile missions. That means where likely only going to hear about theCarter if another black special forces or reconnaissance mission gets fucked up and blown to the public.
"This cult of special forces is as sensible as to form a Royal Corps of Tree Climbers and say that no soldier who does not wear its green hat with a bunch of oak leaves stuck in it should be expected to climb a tree"
— Field Marshal William Slim 1956
Sea Skimmer wrote:That means where likely only going to hear about theCarter if another black special forces or reconnaissance mission gets fucked up and blown to the public.
Arrrrrr! a fiiine ship! true to her namesake!
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GrandAdmiralPrawn wrote:
*cough cough* HMS Invincible *hack cough hack*
Pardon me.
What's wrong with that? Remember that Invincible was originaly intended to be a helicopter carrying ASW cruiser, not a carrier.
The real reason to be surprised at that name being used is what happened to the previous Invincible, which really was tragically nisnamed.
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