It's raining asteroids! TESB topic.

[ClaysGhost]

Actually there just one thing to say, Apparently The Republic and later the Empire did master Photon - photon scattering. The composite super laser and the lasers used by the Clone trooper gunships basically combine several seperate energy beams into a single composite, proof that photon / photon interaction have been mastered by SW laser technology.

That's only true if those beams are lasers/composed of photons. We don't know that, and there is even strong evidence against it (the fact you can see the contributing beams in the DS superlaser, for example).

The weapons employed by the gunships and their relatives interest me, although not for any supposed soliton properties. Either they have very low yield (yet damaged a spaceship in AOTC) or they demonstrate an interesting sort of confinement that is preventing whatever's in the beam dumping much energy into the atmosphere.

If that the case then Creation of self focusing packet of EM energy is also possible, and it no small step to create an packet that can decay and explode like a light bullet.

I thought your post about focussing talked about requiring a plasma. Alternatively, the Empire is building weapons based on a very small effect (photon-photon interaction) that would only affect a tiny proportion of the energy in the beam. Doesn't it seem strange to you that anyone would build a weapon based on such tiny effects?

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Assuming this hypothesis is correct, and the deviant spectrum of blazars is due to photon-photon interactions, your own quote says that the cross-section is maximised when the interacting photons have very different energies. Are you claiming that TLs are both lasers and (very) polychromatic, or are you saying that an already miniscule effect is reduced to even lower significance by the use of monochromatic photons?

[nightmare]

Backtracking a bit. I posted something similar on spacebattles once, but I didn't get much response.

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My personal interpretation of this is that the command tower was partly destroyed. It's strange, but it appears that the majority of the damage was not done at impact point. It is not totally conclusive whether the bridge was completely destroyed or not. Personally I would say that part of the forward section remains. It is definitely clear that the top section remains minus the domes.[/url]

[omegaLancer]

Actually there just one thing to say, Apparently The Republic and later the Empire did master Photon - photon scattering. The composite super laser and the lasers used by the Clone trooper gunships basically combine several seperate energy beams into a single composite, proof that photon / photon interaction have been mastered by SW laser technology.

That's only true if those beams are lasers/composed of photons. We don't know that, and there is even strong evidence against it (the fact you can see the contributing beams in the DS superlaser, for example).

The weapons employed by the gunships and their relatives interest me, although not for any supposed soliton properties. Either they have very low yield (yet damaged a spaceship in AOTC) or they demonstrate an interesting sort of confinement that is preventing whatever's in the beam dumping much energy into the atmosphere.

If that the case then Creation of self focusing packet of EM energy is also possible, and it no small step to create an packet that can decay and explode like a light bullet.

I thought your post about focussing talked about requiring a plasma. Alternatively, the Empire is building weapons based on a very small effect (photon-photon interaction) that would only affect a tiny proportion of the energy in the beam. Doesn't it seem strange to you that anyone would build a weapon based on such tiny effects?

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Assuming this hypothesis is correct, and the deviant spectrum of blazars is due to photon-photon interactions, your own quote says that the cross-section is maximised when the interacting photons have very different energies. Are you claiming that TLs are both lasers and (very) polychromatic, or are you saying that an already miniscule effect is reduced to even lower significance by the use of monochromatic photons?

What is I saying is that if there exist an known way for this to occur naturally, and is being done today ( even on a small basics). Would not the logical conclusion is that a Civilization that have had laser weapons for several thousands years, would not find a way to use this effect in a way that we are even now attempting to do, whether thru Plasma or Photon to photon entanglement.

Look at Antigravity that SW uses, very effective low power consumation. While present research show that such effect if it exist, would be very tiny ( 1% different in weight of the object compare to it normal weight) and requires superconductor and hi power. Does that that means we say well if such effect exist it tiny so that Antigravity is not used in SW and say that EU and rationalize what we see in the movie as magnetic levitation. Thank god Saxon came up with Quantum Knots huh...

Could we have imagine modern lasers from looking at Achimedes use of Giant mirrors to set Roman Ship afire.

To say that there is no way for a Light to react in a way to create a flak burst is wrong, cause we know of at least one way that it can ( light bullets), A SW laser may not be a light bullet. But the very principle of how a light bullet behaves is based on controlling the way a photon reacts.

Achimedes had mirrors, Galilo and Hooks had lens, we have Quantum physics that have given us laser,maser and one one day Graser. SW universe has it TL and superlaser. There are a list of ways Theorical physicist have propose for increase Photon to photon reaction ( much of it sound like Star trek Technobabble, from polarizing the QED Vacuum, to QCD Instanton gasses ) and Optical physicist are experimenting with Relavititic Plasma to Create self focusing effects.

The rought and tumble of it the whole agruement that Flak Burst are impossible is wrong cause it is, we could do it at least in medium like air.

[ClaysGhost]

What is I saying is that if there exist an known way for this to occur naturally, and is being done today ( even on a small basics). Would not the logical conclusion is that a Civilization that have had laser weapons for several thousands years, would not find a way to use this effect in a way that we are even now attempting to do, whether thru Plasma or Photon to photon entanglement.

You've ignored my counter-arguments, then. No, it wouldn't be the logical conclusion. In nature, we're all held to the ground by a nice big gravitational field - must it therefore be inevitable that starships of the future will have gravitational weapons? After all, gravity occurs naturally, doesn't it.

Look at Antigravity that SW uses, very effective low power consumation. While present research show that such effect if it exist, would be very tiny ( 1% different in weight of the object compare to it normal weight) and requires superconductor and hi power.

I'm not commenting on the antigravity research, and do not know if it really is antigravity or an electromagnetic effect, because I haven't followed it extensively. Fair's fair, you haven't answered on my counter-arguments, either.

Does that that means we say well if such effect exist it tiny so that Antigravity is not used in SW and say that EU and rationalize what we see in the movie as magnetic levitation.

Ah, you catch me at a weak spot. I'll merely reiterate that in my opinion, gravity is usually the first casualty of science fiction.

Thank god Saxon came up with Quantum Knots huh...

You don't know what I think about this idea.

Could we have imagine modern lasers from looking at Achimedes use of Giant mirrors to set Roman Ship afire.

Irrelevant. You're talking about very strong interactions; not at all the low probability interaction between two photons.

To say that there is no way for a Light to react in a way to create a flak burst is wrong, cause we know of at least one way that it can ( light bullets), A SW laser may not be a light bullet. But the very principle of how a light bullet behaves is based on controlling the way a photon reacts.

I have no strong conviction on flakbursts or shield/bolt interaction. I do have a strong conviction that you're talking rubbish. I've already answered this argument with some counter-arguments and you've ignored them.

Achimedes had mirrors, Galilo and Hooks had lens, we have Quantum physics that have given us laser,maser and one one day Graser. SW universe has it TL and superlaser.

Yes, and they all rely on the same very strong interactions. See how far any of those would get if they had mirrors that only reflected every 10^-19 photon or whatever the cross section is for photon-photon interactions when both photons have the same wavelength.

There are a list of ways Theorical physicist have propose for increase Photon to photon reaction ( much of it sound like Star trek Technobabble, from polarizing the QED Vacuum, to QCD Instanton gasses )

Well, that's theorists for you. Do you really expect second order effects like these to form the core of an effective weapon system?

and Optical physicist are experimenting with Relavititic Plasma to Create self focusing effects.

That's been discussed and it's been pointed out why it doesn't match TL behaviour. You've just decided that optical solitons are involved, and evidence be damned.

[omegaLancer]

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Actually there just one thing to say, Apparently The Republic and later the Empire did master Photon - photon scattering. The composite super laser and the lasers used by the Clone trooper gunships basically combine several seperate energy beams into a single composite, proof that photon / photon interaction have been mastered by SW laser technology.

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That's only true if those beams are lasers/composed of photons. We don't know that, and there is even strong evidence against it (the fact you can see the contributing beams in the DS superlaser, for example).

The weapons employed by the gunships and their relatives interest me, although not for any supposed soliton properties. Either they have very low yield (yet damaged a spaceship in AOTC) or they demonstrate an interesting sort of confinement that is preventing whatever's in the beam dumping much energy into the atmosphere.

Was there a question here, I throught that that I believe the fact that we see the interaction of several Beam an example of soliton wave combining to form a single Soliton. And would not the fact that the energy of the laser being lock into self focusing packet explain the apparent looking low yield but yet having the power to punch thru the defenses of the Federation Trade ship.. If it a single Soliton, that is, but that my take on the scene...

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If that the case then Creation of self focusing packet of EM energy is also possible, and it no small step to create an packet that can decay and explode like a light bullet.
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I thought your post about focussing talked about requiring a plasma. Alternatively, the Empire is building weapons based on a very small effect (photon-photon interaction) that would only affect a tiny proportion of the energy in the beam. Doesn't it seem strange to you that anyone would build a weapon based on such tiny effects?

Yes a plasma would be one way, another would way that I was concertating on was a direct Photon to photon interact. Why well let me qoute the following article from Phys. Rev. Lett. 87, 171801
(issue of 22 October 2001 Title teaching photon to trangle

"To overcome the low probability of photon-photon scattering, a group of theorists at two Swedish universities has proposed trapping lots of photons inside a so-called resonant cavity. This cavity concentrates photons of particular energies (modes), much like an organ pipe concentrates acoustic energy of certain frequencies. By pumping a lot of photons into just the right modes, photons of two different energies could smash into each other, exchange some of their energy, and then fly off with two new energies that were not among the original modes. The detection of these new photon energies would indicate the existence of photon-photon scattering, according to team member Mattias Marklund of the Chalmers University of Technology in Göteborg.

"It's a nice proposal," says Mordechai Segev of Princeton University, who has proposed searching for photon-photon scattering with high power lasers. He says that such scattering--if it could be observed--would be the first example of so-called nonlinear optics in vacuum, a class of optical effects that don't normally occur without high power lasers and a material medium. Another example of such effects is self-focusing, where the lig ht confines itself into a beam that doesn't diverge. If this can be done in a vacuum instead of matter, says Segev, it might lend itself to some far-out applications. Assuming future lasers can be cranked up to the level where self-focusing occurs in a vacuum, then the beam could propagate over huge distances--maybe even from our galaxy to the one next door--without dissipating. Closer to home, the nonlinear effects might be used to create new laser frequencies at very high power, something laser physicists would be delighted to do.

Marklund hopes to try out their proposal using high power microwave cavities like ones currently used to boost beam power in particle accelerators. These can store huge quantities of photons, and they might reach the power needed for photon scattering, he says. The Swedish group is talking with Rutherford Laboratory in the UK about setting up resonant cavities to search for photon scattering in a couple of years.
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A payoff a long range Laser , a tunable laser. Two good one.

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Assuming this hypothesis is correct, and the deviant spectrum of blazars is due to photon-photon interactions, your own quote says that the cross-section is maximised when the interacting photons have very different energies. Are you claiming that TLs are both lasers and (very) polychromatic, or are you saying that an already miniscule effect is reduced to even lower significance by the use of monochromatic photons?

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You must be talking to someone else. I don't buy into the idea of self-bursting lasers, turbolasers, or blasters. The idea that they're just near-misses which interact with forcefields is not perfect but it doesn't create as many problems.
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I figured you were playing devil's advocate in your previous few responses to me.


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Unless the "flak-like manner" is actually caused by a shield or forcefield interaction with the target, and they can't fire full-power shots at very long range because they're space fighters, they perform like shit in atmosphere, and they have trouble accurately tracking a moving target with fixed-axis guns at long range. So they would be fried by the shockwave and fireball from their own guns at full power, and it makes more sense to get close and fire low-power shots to harass and damage the Falcon.
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Some targets with flak around them are supposed to be shieldess (airspeeders at Hoth); more power typically means longer range with SW energy weaponry, including atmospheric weapons; granted; TIE guns can fire off-axis, so accuracy in that regard shouldn't be too bad.

I think you misinterpreted what I mean, though. I wasn't saying it'd make sense to fire at long range, I was saying it would make more sense to set the flakbursts to appear at long range (or not at all, if possible), while firing at short range. That way, hits to the shields would cause them to absorb full power shots, while misses wouldn't cause a flakburst that'd kill the TIEs.

So if there are flakbursts, it is very likely that the flakbursts do not release the entirety of the beam's energy.


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If most of the beam continues on indefinitely and invisibly, one would think that we would have seen one of these beams damage something at some point in one of these battles.
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In that case, one would also think misses that don't explode but visibly continue on would also eventually hit something. Most of the battles with the mid-air explosions being seen takes place in environments where there is not much to hit, so it'd be rather tough to see any effects from the rest of the beam.

I didnot see that this was exactly how it was done, just that the effect is observable in nature, maybe some SW scientist attempted this approach, just like earily experimenter in flight try making fly machine that mimic bird flapping motion in aircraft. This lead to some truthly funny films, but also show them how not to do it.

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What is I saying is that if there exist an known way for this to occur naturally, and is being done today ( even on a small basics). Would not the logical conclusion is that a Civilization that have had laser weapons for several thousands years, would not find a way to use this effect in a way that we are even now attempting to do, whether thru Plasma or Photon to photon entanglement.

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You've ignored my counter-arguments, then. No, it wouldn't be the logical conclusion. In nature, we're all held to the ground by a nice big gravitational field - must it therefore be inevitable that starships of the future will have gravitational weapons? After all, gravity occurs naturally, doesn't it.



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Look at Antigravity that SW uses, very effective low power consumation. While present research show that such effect if it exist, would be very tiny ( 1% different in weight of the object compare to it normal weight) and requires superconductor and hi power.

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I'm not commenting on the antigravity research, and do not know if it really is antigravity or an electromagnetic effect, because I haven't followed it extensively. Fair's fair, you haven't answered on my counter-arguments, either.


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Does that that means we say well if such effect exist it tiny so that Antigravity is not used in SW and say that EU and rationalize what we see in the movie as magnetic levitation.

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Ah, you catch me at a weak spot. I'll merely reiterate that in my opinion, gravity is usually the first casualty of science fiction.


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Thank god Saxon came up with Quantum Knots huh...

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You don't know what I think about this idea.

True and that and the all no noise in space thing..By the way I would like to hear you opinion on this, maybe we can start a Post in Pure SW someday.
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I have no strong conviction on flakbursts or shield/bolt interaction. I do have a strong conviction that you're talking rubbish. I've already answered this argument with some counter-arguments and you've ignored them.

Okay I answer your counter agruement and maybe my agruement are rubbish, no more than anyone elses at time, but at least I try to post some Valid point and seek answers to some of the question faceing us with the varies SW technologies.

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and Optical physicist are experimenting with Relavititic Plasma to Create self focusing effects.

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That's been discussed and it's been pointed out why it doesn't match TL behaviour. You've just decided that optical solitons are involved, and evidence be damned.

Has it ? and you can read my mind on What I decided, funny I am not sure really if Optical Soliton are really involve. It could be some other exotic Energy that travels at C, Saxon never said it was "Electromagnetic", Just that it travel at C and that the main potion of it was invisible. Since Tibanna Gas is involve it could be some form of Hypermatter/ Energy who properties lend it to soliton like solution. All I wanted to point out that a missile/projectile need not be involved in creating the Flak.

[ClaysGhost]

Was there a question here, I throught that that I believe the fact that we see the interaction of several Beam an example of soliton wave combining to form a single Soliton.

You made an assertion, and I said why I didn't think the assertion was correct, but I didn't ask an explicit question. I was surprised that you appeared to ignore my reasons, but if wasn't intentional then there's no problem.

And would not the fact that the energy of the laser being lock into self focusing packet explain the apparent looking low yield but yet having the power to punch thru the defenses of the Federation Trade ship.. If it a single Soliton, that is, but that my take on the scene...

I don't think so. There are what, 10 beams combining to form one? So one beam isn't powerful enough to interact with the atmosphere significantly but a beam of ten times the intensity of a single beam can chew through SW hull materials - surely that can't be right. Also, the combined beam should interact with the atmosphere on its way to the target if you're correct.

Yes a plasma would be one way, another would way that I was concertating on was a direct Photon to photon interact. Why well let me qoute the following article from ....

This is the same issue as before. There is no cavity in the superlaser example. There are at least two different frequencies of light involved even in the cavity discussed; no evidence for this in the superlaser. The superlaser beams appear to interact 100% (assuming the visible radiation isn't decay byproducts, but with your photons there's no way it could be so), which is completely in contrast to the low scattering cross section. Note that all the interactions take place inside the cavity. Do you assert that flakbursts occur inside a cavity? We also don't even know that we're dealing with photons. Why are these photon solitons emitting sideways to the beam propagation direction, even before they interact? Why does the superlaser beam on the DS look very similar in appearence to those on the gunships, even though one is in atmosphere and the other is in vacuum?

A payoff a long range Laser , a tunable laser. Two good one.

However, you have no grounds to claim such a laser would look like a superlaser or TL. I'm also dubious about the self-focussing over long distance, for is it not the case that such focussing would occur only in the cavity? But then you have a cavity that must cover distance from source to target. The article also doesn't say how efficient this is, merely that many photons must be gathered in the same spot for the effect to be detectable. This implies to me that the cross section is not changed at all by the cavity - it's just a way of concentrating so many photons that the very few interactions are rendered detectable.

Assuming this hypothesis is correct, and the deviant spectrum of blazars is due to photon-photon interactions, your own quote says that the cross-section is maximised when the interacting photons have very different energies. Are you claiming that TLs are both lasers and (very) polychromatic, or are you saying that an already miniscule effect is reduced to even lower significance by the use of monochromatic photons?

I didnot see that this was exactly how it was done, just that the effect is observable in nature, maybe some SW scientist attempted this approach, just like earily experimenter in flight try making fly machine that mimic bird flapping motion in aircraft. This lead to some truthly funny films, but also show them how not to do it.

So why are you bringing in articles in PRL if they only show how not to do it? How can you tell that photon solitons are involved if the work concerning them is inappropriate?

Okay I answer your counter agruement and maybe my agruement are rubbish, no more than anyone elses at time, but at least I try to post some Valid point and seek answers to some of the question faceing us with the varies SW technologies.

Yes, that's fair enough. I thought you were ignoring the counter-arguments rather than not seeing them.

That's been discussed and it's been pointed out why it doesn't match TL behaviour. You've just decided that optical solitons are involved, and evidence be damned.

Has it ?

Er, yes. Even if you don't recall the previous discussion on this, I've stated some of the reasons above.

and you can read my mind on What I decided, funny I am not sure really if Optical Soliton are really involve.

Yes, but it's not easy At the time it looked like you ignored my counter-arguments, but we've sorted that out.

It could be some other exotic Energy that travels at C, Saxon never said it was "Electromagnetic", Just that it travel at C and that the main potion of it was invisible.

So what's the justification for calling in photon-photon interactions if you believe that other particles are involved? The points related to superlaser interaction and sideways emission still stand.

Since Tibanna Gas is involve it could be some form of Hypermatter/ Energy who properties lend it to soliton like solution. All I wanted to point out that a missile/projectile need not be involved in creating the Flak.

There are some problems with all suggested solutions. However, I think that the soliton theory has a disproportionate number of problems and unknowns.

[omegaLancer]

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I don't think so. There are what, 10 beams combining to form one? So one beam isn't powerful enough to interact with the atmosphere significantly but a beam of ten times the intensity of a single beam can chew through SW hull materials - surely that can't be right. Also, the combined beam should interact with the atmosphere on its way to the target if you're correct.


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Low Yield? If we read the ICS for AOTC the yield of the multiple heavy Laser batteries had to as powerful as a ISD boardside. Problem is these portable units may not be "Super Lasers" at all. The fact is the emitted beam doesnot not look like that that ejected from either the Gunships weapon or DS Super laser. It apears similar to the description of a ground base Particle beam cannon that uses a laser to create an ion channel to allow the beam to propagate thru air.

The Fact is that a Hybrid unit would attack the shields from several angles. The depending on how the Shield energies are configure, either the matter potion or the pure energy potion could punch a hole in the shields before the shield operator could reconfigure the shields to handle such an attack.

It is also possible ( I know that I will get alot of negative feedback on this) that SW shield may have a weakness when facing Proton base weapon. Why else proton torpedo or the original ICS showing the Turbo laser area having heavy antiproton armour. Could it be that the Portable cannons attacking the Trade federation could be firing a combination Laser/Proton beam, taking advantage of a known weakness in SW shield tech?

Yes a plasma would be one way, another would way that I was concertating on was a direct Photon to photon interact. Why well let me qoute the following article from ....

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This is the same issue as before. There is no cavity in the superlaser example. There are at least two different frequencies of light involved even in the cavity discussed; no evidence for this in the superlaser. The superlaser beams appear to interact 100% (assuming the visible radiation isn't decay byproducts, but with your photons there's no way it could be so), which is completely in contrast to the low scattering cross section. Note that all the interactions take place inside the cavity. Do you assert that flakbursts occur inside a cavity? We also don't even know that we're dealing with photons. Why are these photon solitons emitting sideways to the beam propagation direction, even before they interact? Why does the superlaser beam on the DS look very similar in appearence to those on the gunships, even though one is in atmosphere and the other is in vacuum?

Actually that not true, first why the Spherical shape of the Lasers used on the gunship. Shpere give you a big volume compare to surface area. The fact is that any Resonance cavities would be out of sight, safetly housed by the Spherical housing. the final beams that leave the sphere would already be soliton.

Look at the DS we see massive Wave guide structures that the Lasers travel, such a structure would have to lead to the laser production unit which would most likely be the source of the original soliton laser energy.

Also in the ICS drawing a series of Magnetic focusing devices ring the Rim of concave structure of the DS super laser. One of the ways to increase the chance of Photon Photon interaction would be suggesting the photons to the influence of a magnetic fields.

In this case the soliton is not used to increase distant but to create a single power beam. Whether the beam is self focusing is not an issue.

While the fact is that the super laser is not a commonly used method of creating a super power energy beam, for medium level weapons, the Turbolaser using Tibanna gas would be more efficent in fact it requires less space and mechanisms to produce a high power beam. But Tibanna Gas would have to have a specific yield per mass that would mean that for energy levels like the DS laser, an massive amount of gas would be needed, that would also need to replenish for each shot.

[ClaysGhost]

I hope I answered your replies in this - the quoting seems confused.

Low Yield? If we read the ICS for AOTC the yield of the multiple heavy Laser batteries had to as powerful as a ISD boardside. Problem is these portable units may not be "Super Lasers" at all. The fact is the emitted beam doesnot not look like that that ejected from either the Gunships weapon or DS Super laser. It apears similar to the description of a ground base Particle beam cannon that uses a laser to create an ion channel to allow the beam to propagate thru air.

What, bright green!? What you're describing sounds like those wireless tazers that some people appear to be working on (excepting the colour). The laser ionises two channels to the person targetted, and then electric current is run through the channels, disabling the person. It doesn't sound anything like anti-armour particle weapons, which as far as I know are reckoned to be most effective with electrically neutral particles where you don't need to preionise the route to the target. When charged particle weapons are proposed, a repeating pulse method of operation seems to be favoured, where following pulses pass through ionised matter produced by preceeding pulses.

The Fact is that a Hybrid unit would attack the shields from several angles. The depending on how the Shield energies are configure, either the matter potion or the pure energy potion could punch a hole in the shields before the shield operator could reconfigure the shields to handle such an attack.

But I thought that in SW it is typical to use separate ray and particle shields. Splitting your available energy between both ray and particle shields would be less wise than concentrating on one or the other, wouldn't it? Otherwise you're trying to down 100% of the target's shield protection instead of 50%. If the enemy transfers all their energy from particle to ray shields, your combined forces (assuming you're sane) can deploy missiles from other units.

It is also possible ( I know that I will get alot of negative feedback on this) that SW shield may have a weakness when facing Proton base weapon. Why else proton torpedo or the original ICS showing the Turbo laser area having heavy antiproton armour. Could it be that the Portable cannons attacking the Trade federation could be firing a combination Laser/Proton beam, taking advantage of a known weakness in SW shield tech?

You might as well claim that ST shields are particularly vulnerable to photons rather than anything else - why else photon torpedo? But in that case, and I expect in the case of the proton torpedo too, the weapon is simply named after what it produces. The photon torpedo produces mainly gamma rays from antimatter/matter annihilation, and the proton torpedo produces mainly high energy protons through an unknown mechanism.

If this isn't the case, and SW ships/materials are particularly vulnerable to protons, why aren't you arguing for protons in TLs rather than photon solitons?

Actually that not true, first why the Spherical shape of the Lasers used on the gunship. Shpere give you a big volume compare to surface area. The fact is that any Resonance cavities would be out of sight, safetly housed by the Spherical housing. the final beams that leave the sphere would already be soliton.

But the soliton isn't going to survive outside the cavity. It's a non-linear wave and needs a non-linear medium to propagate in, surely.

Look at the DS we see massive Wave guide structures that the Lasers travel, such a structure would have to lead to the laser production unit which would most likely be the source of the original soliton laser energy.

They're not lasers, but also you have no basis to claim that they're carrying solitons, simply that waveguides of some sort are involved. You need a non-linear medium inside the waveguide, and whatever is carried in the guides is demonstrating sideways emission that looks much like that in vacuum.

Also in the ICS drawing a series of Magnetic focusing devices ring the Rim of concave structure of the DS super laser. One of the ways to increase the chance of Photon Photon interaction would be suggesting the photons to the influence of a magnetic fields.

But if the superlaser beam is comprised only of photons, why is light being emitted sideways? If solitons are involved in turbolasers, why is only a bit of the beam emitting sideways and why is it moving slowly?

In this case the soliton is not used to increase distant but to create a single power beam. Whether the beam is self focusing is not an issue.

Yes, but 100% of the radiation interacts. That's not typical of vacuum photon interactions at all, is it?

While the fact is that the super laser is not a commonly used method of creating a super power energy beam, for medium level weapons, the Turbolaser using Tibanna gas would be more efficent in fact it requires less space and mechanisms to produce a high power beam. But Tibanna Gas would have to have a specific yield per mass that would mean that for energy levels like the DS laser, an massive amount of gas would be needed, that would also need to replenish for each shot.

The role of tibanna gas in turbolasers is in dispute as I understand it. Either way, there is nothing about this argument that leads to the conclusion that the superlaser is a soliton-based weapon. You've also proposed the soliton mechanism for turbolasers, so how is this relevant?

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My personal interpretation of this is that the command tower was partly destroyed. It's strange, but it appears that the majority of the damage was not done at impact point. It is not totally conclusive whether the bridge was completely destroyed or not. Personally I would say that part of the forward section remains. It is definitely clear that the top section remains minus the domes.

All right, so let's get this straight:

-Asteroid hits command tower on port-front surface.

-Destruction occurs on starboard and dorsal surfaces.

Ummmm.......

You DO know that it makes just as much sense to claim that Magical Space Pixies made the command tower disappear, right?

There is no evidence for the command tower's "destruction," as "destruction" would result in debris. There is only evidence for the command tower's "apparent disappearance". Exactly WHERE it went is a mystery.