AT-ATs and Hoth split

[vakundok]

Dear Vympel,
I try to explain. I allways viewed the canon and official as parallel universes, where the official contained everything that the canon did (in rare ocassions in a special interpretation), but added a huge amount of things to it. (Similarly to the well known Lucas quote, but involving other (lower level) canon sources (actually the novelizations, because I own neither the radio dramatizations nor the screeenplays ) into the canon SW universe.)
Besides, I lost interest in the official universe at the time of the first novell of the dark fleet crisis (or was it dark sword?), so I am now nearly a canon purist.

To me, the ICS being canon threw several things from the official to the canon universe, without the man who the canon universe belongs to. That is why it was so hard for me to accept it. (And even now, it is still frustrating.)
Do you understand it now?

[Vympel]

Dear Vympel,
I try to explain. I allways viewed the canon and official as parallel universes, where the official contained everything that the canon did (in rare ocassions in a special interpretation), but added a huge amount of things to it. (Similarly to the well known Lucas quote, but involving other (lower level) canon sources (actually the novelizations, because I own neither the radio dramatizations nor the screeenplays ) into the canon SW universe.)
Besides, I lost interest in the official universe at the time of the first novell of the dark fleet crisis (or was it dark sword?), so I am now nearly a canon purist.

To me, the ICS being canon threw several things from the official to the canon universe, without the man who the canon universe belongs to. That is why it was so hard for me to accept it. (And even now, it is still frustrating.)
Do you understand it now?

Then I see the problem- you view the EU and movies etc as seperate rather than together, which is not how they're viewed by both Lucas ("intrude in between the movies") and all Lucasfilm pronouncements in relation to the matter. It's all one part of the continuity. I don't read the EU either, but as far as I'm concerned, the ICS, while very mildly drawing from official sources, is a canon work- it deals exclusively with those craft seen in the films and has a level or research (looking at movie material, art, interviewing staff etc) that is unparalleled by official material. There was speculation prior to the latest canon quote that the ICS was higher than other documents, and that was made true with the quite explicit "formal impripatur as canon" statement.

[nightmare]

Side note:
http://web.axelero.hu/antibor/ISDIbay2lined.jpg
Both the docking arm of the corvette and the distance between the engine blocks (the green line) are approximately 10 meters. It suggests that the door in the rear wall is barely 15 metres high while the ICS suggests more than 20 (approximately as high as the whole engine block). Compare this image with the ICS diagram and decide whether the ICS really deserves to be canon.

If that green line is 10 m, the Corvette is only ~75 m long. If we assume the official number of 153 m is correct for the lenght of the Tantive IV, that rear door is 21-22 m high. If we derive from the length of the bay instead and asssume it to be ~188 m (scaled by Dr. Curtis Saxton and easily verifiable), we arrive at a a door of ~20 m high.

[vakundok]

If that green line is 10 m, the Corvette is only ~75 m long.

Wow! How were you able to count its lenght from the height? I am unable to do this because the more the line points to the camera, the greater the loss (in lenght) it suffers due to the perspectivity ...

[nightmare]

If that green line is 10 m, the Corvette is only ~75 m long.

Wow! How were you able to count its lenght from the height? I am unable to do this because the more the line points to the camera, the greater the loss (in lenght) it suffers due to the perspectivity ...

I can't. But it's possible to come to a reasonably near approximation with the help of 3d software and other sources of data. The lenght I gave for the corvette in relation to the green line isn't very reliable since I was concentrating on the rear door. It's sufficient to tell it's wrong though, and that was all I wanted to point out in that case.

[McNum]

I think I can see the logic behind deploying the Snowspeeders instead of the X-Wings. Tow cables. It was unconventional, but it was the Rebels' best bet. They could probably have used the X-Wings if the only mission ojective was to destroy the AT-AT's, but the rebels needed the X-Wings for escort because they were space capable.

An addtional benefit would be that tow cables were probably cheaper than Proton Torpedos.

[vakundok]

I can't. But it's possible to come to a reasonably near approximation with the help of 3d software and other sources of data. The lenght I gave for the corvette in relation to the green line isn't very reliable since I was concentrating on the rear door. It's sufficient to tell it's wrong though, and that was all I wanted to point out in that case.

Well, after I read your post I did a very rough projection of the green line to the rear wall of the bay. I used the docking arm and the green line to do this (the distance between them is approximately 15 meters). I got that the 10 meters is approximately 19.8 pixels at 20 meters behind the corvette. it means that the door is ~15.7m.
But it is very rough projection, so I made another estimate.
For this, I used the ISD from RotJ in front of the bbu destroyer (bbu=bayless, bulbless, upside- down) because it seemed to be perfectly aligned with the camera. The angle between the left and right upper rear edge was exactly 160 degrees. It means that the surfaces are angled at 10 degrees. (I was surprised, I thought it is more.) Since the bay is 160 meters wide, the area just under the door is 14.1m high. It gives the result of 15.6 - 16.2 meters for the door, depending on whether you count 28 or 27 pixels for the difference in height (between the edge and the middle of the rear wall).

[vakundok]

I think I can see the logic behind deploying the Snowspeeders instead of the X-Wings. Tow cables. It was unconventional, but it was the Rebels' best bet. They could probably have used the X-Wings if the only mission ojective was to destroy the AT-AT's, but the rebels needed the X-Wings for escort because they were space capable.

An addtional benefit would be that tow cables were probably cheaper than Proton Torpedos.

There are two problems with this:
1.: Using the tow cables was a sudden idea, not a plan.
2.: The novelization says that the fighters of the Rouge squadron were waiting for them throughout the battle. That is why I called for that quote.

[Illuminatus Primus]

There are two problems with this:
1.: Using the tow cables was a sudden idea, not a plan.
2.: The novelization says that the fighters of the Rouge squadron were waiting for them throughout the battle. That is why I called for that quote.

The games proved that that utilization of tow cables had been tried and been successful in the past.

[vakundok]

There are two problems with this:
1.: Using the tow cables was a sudden idea, not a plan.
2.: The novelization says that the fighters of the Rouge squadron were waiting for them throughout the battle. That is why I called for that quote.

The games proved that that utilization of tow cables had been tried and been successful in the past.

In the novelization Luke (after he realized that their firepower was useless) was thinking about a contrivance that could be usefull (for a farmboy against a raging animal) when he got the idea. I think you will agree that the novelization overrides games. I do not know how it is described in the screenplay or the radio dramatization.

[Illuminatus Primus]

*snip*

LFL has, however, overriden the ESB novelisation--Hobbie and Veers survived, for instance. I don't know if that changes anything.

[vakundok]

*snip*

LFL has, however, overriden the ESB novelisation--Hobbie and Veers survived, for instance. I don't know if that changes anything.

Of course it changes! It changes that part of the novelization (and its consequences). So there are three surviving AT-ATs, not two, and such ... But it does not affect the parts in question.