Andromeda vs the entire UFP

[The Nomad]

A fully crewed and equipped Glorious Heritage heavy Cruiser drops out of Slipstream in the middle of the Federation. It has supply ships with escorts ( defensive purpose only ). It wants to kick the Fed's ass, but the Feds are unaware of this. Enjoy.

Let the slaughter begin !!

[Renewed_Valour1]

With 40 nova bombs and 150 members in the Federation Andromeda can take out 20%+ of the Federations member world.... I think the Feds though would surrender after the first few demonstrations of nova bombs.

[NecronLord]

Either that or they'd simply send every ship they have...

In fact just for fun, lets say commander Decker comes back to they feds. How totally screwed is the andromeda then?

[Renewed_Valour1]

Either that or they'd simply send every ship they have...

And how do they know where is going to strike? It will take a fair sized fleet to stop her. Meanwhile she has a drive infinitely faster than warp and one they can't track.

[Master of Ossus]

Also, Andromeda's weapons seem to be well in excess of what the UFP can fire with a single ship. They would need groups of ships to take on each Andromeda one.

[The Nomad]

Go ahead, be creative, make up your own campaigns and discuss. I'd love to see it.

[Mr Bean]

The AD is fast, its heavly armored.....

However its outmatched, A 60 Ship Group should be sufficent to put it down

A simple Sucided Raming ship, Say a Defiant drops out of warp and rams it, Sure it can turn fast but the Feddys do seem to be able get close to ships when they want to, Then simply have the rest/Slavo torps and close to finish with Phasers and a second wave

The AD can fire a TON of Missles but they ARE Forward Arc

Minum Forces to take it down?

Hmm say one Ramming Ship(Galaxy Class Warp Core KABOOM! )

Tweleve Defants and thirty-six Galaxy Classes should do it. Or simply Nighty Galaxy Classes


AD missles are peg right now at 20 Mega-tons unless your RV who clams somthing much higher but for this aurgment I will use twenty

Galaxys can take a 300 Mega-ton or So pound so 320 MT pound lets say for fair sake or 16 Missles to take it out

Defiants can more... lets use a nice even number like 520 MT or 26 Missles

So the 12 Defants will need 312 Missles to take them out assuming everyone of them hits

36 Galaxys x 16=576 Missles+312=888 Missles to take down the Little Fleet we have here
But... The AD is a foward-Arc Vechial, A complete Encloser Pattern plus the Ramming ship to give you that two-three seconds of unblanced action would be sufficent for the Rest to Close VIA Warp and lay some heavy Fire-Power into the AD and take it down

[Renewed_Valour1]

The AD can fire a TON of Missles but they ARE Forward Arc

Not quite right. The writers have said that the missile batteries are arrayed around the ship in banks. We know from FX shots that at least 5 or 10 ELS tubes are on either flank of her. Her actual missile capability is along any vector around the ship. It isn't that big of a deal for a missile with their range and maneuverability to loop over the ship and head off in another direction.

AD missles are peg right now at 20 Mega-tons unless your RV who clams somthing much higher but for this aurgment I will use twenty.

Her OM-5 offensive missile are 20 mt yield. The PM-6 smart missiles have a higher yield. The PM-6LII Strategic Star Arrow multiple independent kill vehicle (MIKV) variant carries 5 independent missiles from FX shots. These missiles are designed to saturate an enemioes defenses with lots of small missiles. Each kill vehicle being at least 20 mt if no more. You have a 100 mt yield for the PM-6LII Strategic Star Arrow with the other smart missiles variants being stronger.

36 Galaxys x 16=576 Missles+312=888 Missles to take down the Little Fleet we have here

It takes 2.7 seconds for Andromeda to fire that many missiles. Assuming she doesn't use her fighter wings, launch smart missile, drones, or use her AP cannons.

[Renewed_Valour1]

And she has the 24 attack drones. Each hits with over a gigaton of KE at full speed.

Small detail too. How do the Feds gather such a force to stop her when they can't even track her?

[Mr Bean]

It takes 2.7 seconds for Andromeda to fire that many missiles. Assuming she doesn't use her fighter wings, launch smart missile, drones, or use her AP cannons

Assuming of course they are sitting still, all facing the right way and Dillan still has to yell Fire



The point is the AD while powerful does not have the ability to SOAK up damage that say the Avarage Imperal Ship is designed around, Thus why an AD VS Empire fight was always so intresting as both sides could deal massive damage, one could just take it, the other could avoid it

But a Single AD ship like umm the AD simply can't take much physical damage, Sixty ships IS enough as though the AD's missles are very fast, They can't touch Warp, Which while not an advnatage aginst the Empire(Because they can saturate an area with pure energy which we know @%@% with Subspace) the AD's are ment to HIT targets, IE while 1 Giga-ton RW does only 1 Kilo-ton in Subspace(Roughly) AD simply can't do enough to hurt them as they take a 1,000-10,000 percent damage reduction while in Subspace which lets them close with the AD

After the battle it will look like Worf 359 but the AD will be just as dead as that Cube

Of course the remaning ships won't have anything to go back to(Load up the Fighters with Nova's and send em out) but the AD won't survive the Fight Either

[Renewed_Valour1]

Assuming of course they are sitting still, all facing the right way and Dillan still has to yell Fire

As I said the ELS missile tubes are omnidirectional. And Andromeda can fire the weapons systems on her own without orders from Hunt. All she needs is clearance to fire on any Federation ship.

After the battle it will look like Worf 359 but the AD will be just as dead as that Cube

I'm still wondering how you propose they gather that many ships together have an attack plan ready ina give system. They can't even track the Andromeda and she'll be able to strike anywhere in Federation space in minutes to hours.

[NecronLord]

It depends on what time period, the Ent-A can go considerably faster than any later feddy ship.

[Renewed_Valour1]

It depends on what time period, the Ent-A can go considerably faster than any later feddy ship.

Really depends on how you choose to interpret Trek canon because things get real weird from TOS to the TNG. I've always preferred to think of TOS as more militarized, more capitalistic, and earlier alternate timeline that Trek is so hooked on.

[NecronLord]

I like to say that in most areas the feds have regressed, e.g.

Mudd's Women; TOS

Dilitium mine is automated, run by three men and all work is preformed by mining machines.

Author Author; VOY

Dilitium mining done by slaves, holographic slaves, but slaves nontheless



speaking of regression, does anyone have some calcs for the asteroid in TMP?