OK, continuing my current trend of supporting our troops and pointing out how shoddily they have been treated by president "Bring them on." I showcase this latest editorial and please pay close attention to the section on the corporate "partners" that are helping rebuild Iraq. See them bitch and moan about sleeping on the floor and *GASP* eating field rations.July 18, 2003 -- SOLDIERS complain. God knows, I did when I was a private. Fighting men have been bitching since the first semi-organized bands of cave-dwelling warriors went at each other with sticks, rocks and beer bottles.
You have to take what you hear with a grain of salt.
Sometimes, though, a soldier's complaints are justified. When the men and women of our Army's 3rd Infantry Division — who did the heaviest lifting during the war — were told first that they were coming home, then, hardly a week later, that they would have to stay on indefinitely, and then that some of them might start coming home at the summer's end, after all, it was a classic example of how to mismanage personnel, hurt morale and break the hearts of thousands of military families.
Make no mistake: Our soldiers will continue to do what must be done, and they'll do it better than any other troops on earth could do it. Media reports about the "demoralization" of our service members in Iraq are nonsense. They're disappointed, and angry, and resentful at being treated like nothing more than numbers and statistics. But they're still out kicking the butts that need to be kicked.
Our troops are doing a magnificent job in a miserable environment — despite the lack of support from Pentagon civilians who never paid any dues except to their country clubs. The Rummycrats who insisted we could occupy Iraq with two Boy Scout troops and a repainted pickup truck would not listen to any common-sense warnings from those in uniform, or in the intelligence agencies, or in the State Department, or anywhere else.
Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld's button-down hit men, each a champion of arrogance, saw what they wanted to see. And they paid far more attention to working political spin and handing out reconstruction contracts to favored corporations than they did to assessing what our soldiers might really need in the aftermath of war — or how many soldiers might be needed.
Now, their cherished contractors are lagging badly — to the outrage of our military in Baghdad. Underpaid, overworked soldiers are picking up the slack for Bechtel, Halliburton and the rest of the corporate vultures.
Yesterday, a friend quietly forwarded a letter written by a senior contractor in Iraq. Alternating between self-praise and self-pity, this big-bucks huckster whined that he and his employees sometimes had to eat military rations and even had to sleep on the floor a couple of times.
Hell, I did that for much of my adult life. Welcome to the Outward Bound vacation that never ends, courtesy of Uncle Sam. Of course, I was paid a lot less while in uniform than a top manager for Bechtel or Halliburton takes home.
Want to know how far off the rails things have slid at the Pentagon? Recently, the Army wanted to tally up how much money it had been forced to divert to private contractors as part of Rumsfeld's rush to privatize military tasks. The Rummycrats forbid it. They refused to let the Army balance its own books — because the privatization mafia knew what they would find: Contractors cost more, not less, than soldiers.
When honest budget managers in the services calculate the transition of any uniformed job to a private contractor, their working assumption is that the contract employee will cost the Pentagon $100,000 a year. A sergeant barely makes a quarter of that, and a private hardly a fifth — including benefits.
You, the taxpayer, are being cheated outrageously in the name of an ideologically driven crusade to reduce the size of government. This is corporate welfare that has nothing to do with the welfare of our troops. And guess what? Most of those contractors disappear when the bullets start flying.
The occupation and the reconstruction efforts are going well in Iraq — much better than the media reports imply — but our soldiers are making progress despite the lies, incompetence, greed, favoritism and wishful thinking on the part of the Rummycrats.
When Gen. John P. Abizaid, the recently appointed commander of American forces in the Middle East, remarked on Wednesday that some of our troops in Iraq do, indeed, face guerrilla warfare, his remarks were aimed squarely at the Office of the Secretary of Defense, which has tried to cover up or simply deny any mistakes. Abizaid, a soldier's soldier trusted by the troops, was making the point that realism, not political hackwork, are in order. Real threats require real solutions, not denials and evasions.
Our troops will do as well in the occupation as they did in the war. But they need — and deserve — selfless support and integrity from the civilian leadership appointed above them.
Over the past few weeks, we heard Secretary Rumsfeld insist that troop levels in Iraq could be reduced, only to listen to one general after another contradict him. Then we heard Lord Donald declare that there was no organized resistance, only to hear Gen. Abizaid insist that we must face up to reality.
Soldiers value straight talk. If the troops of the 3ID had been told from the outset that they would be in-theater for a year — or even longer — morale would not have suffered. Families could have prepared themselves psychologically. Instead, they were treated like trash by bureaucrats who, at the end of each working day, return safely to their families and homes in Northwest Washington, D.C., or Bethesda, Md., or Great Falls, Va. — homes not a single soldier could afford.
Unlike some of the men he mistakenly appointed, President Bush supports and values our troops. Now he needs to demonstrate that support by cleaning house at OSD. Rumsfeld needs to go, and all his key subordinates need to go with him — with the single exception of Paul Wolfowitz, who may be the only strategic visionary in Washington.
Then the president needs to appoint a retired general or admiral known for his integrity to be our new secretary of defense. The president needs to work with Congress to give our over-stretched Army at least two more divisions, even if it means canceling lobbyists' dream systems, such as the useless F-22 fighter. The Marine Corps has to bulk up, too. And the president needs to admit that downsizing our military, in any manner, during our global War Against Terror endangers our security — no matter how many contractors may benefit.
Soldiers will always complain. But honest leadership at the Pentagon would give them far less to complain about.
Ralph Peters is a retired military officer and the author of "Beyond Terror: Strategy in a Changing World."
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Yeah yeah So? You expect our troops to fight AND rebuildStravo wrote: OK, continuing my current trend of supporting our troops and pointing out how shoddily they have been treated by president "Bring them on." I showcase this latest editorial and please pay close attention to the section on the corporate "partners" that are helping rebuild Iraq. See them bitch and moan about sleeping on the floor and *GASP* eating field rations.
at the same time?
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I expect HAleburton and the other corporate vultures to stop bitching about living like a soldier does for a couple of days while making 4 times what an average sargeant makes.MKSheppard wrote:Yeah yeah So? You expect our troops to fight AND rebuildStravo wrote: OK, continuing my current trend of supporting our troops and pointing out how shoddily they have been treated by president "Bring them on." I showcase this latest editorial and please pay close attention to the section on the corporate "partners" that are helping rebuild Iraq. See them bitch and moan about sleeping on the floor and *GASP* eating field rations.
at the same time?
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Hey, what's this about not letting the Army keep its own books?
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Stunning isn't it?Vorlon1701 wrote:Hey, what's this about not letting the Army keep its own books?
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Yeah so? Corporate Vultures my ass. Does the US Army specialize inStravo wrote: I expect HAleburton and the other corporate vultures to stop bitching about living like a soldier does for a couple of days while making 4 times what an average sargeant makes.
restoring flow of oil wells and refineries? No, it concentrates on killing
people and breaking things.
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To the best of my knowledge, no.MKSheppard wrote:
Yeah so? Corporate Vultures my ass. Does the US Army specialize in
restoring flow of oil wells and refineries? No, it concentrates on killing
people and breaking things.
But it doesn't mean that they can't do the jobs better, for less.
Don't let specialization blind you to the realities of the work done. You can go to a 5 star restaurant and get shitty food; then go next door and get kickass food at a Chinese diner.
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What did the Norwegian government do when they were putting togetherVorlon1701 wrote: But it doesn't mean that they can't do the jobs better, for less.
a plan to rescue the Kursk sailors? They called their biggest oil and gas
corporations and put together a group pretty damn quick. And the Military
doesn't really specialize in sending divers down to 300+ feet to do some welding...that's private industry in the North Sea Oil industry..
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Emphasis MineMKSheppard wrote:What did the Norwegian government do when they were putting togetherVorlon1701 wrote: But it doesn't mean that they can't do the jobs better, for less.
a plan to rescue the Kursk sailors? They called their biggest oil and gas
corporations and put together a group pretty damn quick. And the Military
doesn't really specialize in sending divers down to 300+ feet to do some welding...that's private industry in the North Sea Oil industry..
Yes. They put the group together quickly. Unfortunately, our contractors are not doing it quickly. Not at all. And, if the Army can do it quicker, for cheaper, then why not let them do it?
(And I have no clue how quickly and well the Army can do it in relation to the others, or just by a job well done)
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Cost, and contracts. The Norwegian government had to pay off someVorlon1701 wrote: Yes. They put the group together quickly. Unfortunately, our contractors are not doing it quickly. Not at all.
very expensive oil-gas contracts to free up those assets owned by
the companies to get them ASAP for the Kursk rescue
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Did the company execs and the like complain about how bitterly cold it was in the sea during the rescue attemopt and how they weren't in posh hotels and were forced to eat miltary field rations while thiose poor sialors below were slwoly drowning, freezing to death or asphyxiating?MKSheppard wrote:What did the Norwegian government do when they were putting togetherVorlon1701 wrote: But it doesn't mean that they can't do the jobs better, for less.
a plan to rescue the Kursk sailors? They called their biggest oil and gas
corporations and put together a group pretty damn quick. And the Military
doesn't really specialize in sending divers down to 300+ feet to do some welding...that's private industry in the North Sea Oil industry..
I didn't think so. Thats what I'm talking about here, the fucking gall of these guys getting paid a fucking fortune and complaining about having to live like a soldier for a few days. these guys have been dooing it for months now and they're DYING while doing it.
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But our government is NOT. We are contracting these jobs to the lowest possible bidder, and getting our due money's worth. The U.S. Government isn't paying off some very expensive contracts, these people BID for the work!MKSheppard wrote: Cost, and contracts. The Norwegian government had to pay off some
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Number one f--king reason my dad's employeer ILEX Systems will not hire anyone without any military experience. One thing the article didn't mentioned is the number of soldiers needed to guard the contractors at all times, especially those working in Iraq.Stravo wrote: Alternating between self-praise and self-pity, this big-bucks huckster whined that he and his employees sometimes had to eat military rations and even had to sleep on the floor a couple of times.
That doesn't include overtime, hazard pay, and a myriad of other pay bonuses simply for being in or near a combat zone.When honest budget managers in the services calculate the transition of any uniformed job to a private contractor, their working assumption is that the contract employee will cost the Pentagon $100,000 a year. A sergeant barely makes a quarter of that, and a private hardly a fifth — including benefits.
I agree until the guy gets to cancelling the F-22.
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Well really, I am sure you could buy the Typhoon for a reasonable priceHowedar wrote:I agree until the guy gets to cancelling the F-22.
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Which would make absolutely no sense with the F-35 on the way.Crown wrote:
Well really, I am sure you could buy the Typhoon for a reasonable price
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You aren't seriously going to suggest that the F-35 is anywhere near F-22 quality or even on par with the Typhoon are you?Sea Skimmer wrote:Which would make absolutely no sense with the F-35 on the way.Crown wrote:
Well really, I am sure you could buy the Typhoon for a reasonable price
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Near the F-22, no. Near Typhoon, certainly. It won't have the same air to air performance, but for strike I'd much prefer it and bombing been the USAF's primary air supremacy weapon for quite some time now.Crown wrote:
You aren't seriously going to suggest that the F-35 is anywhere near F-22 quality or even on par with the Typhoon are you?
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What're the respective warloads? Typhoon could carry plenty JDAMs, of course.Sea Skimmer wrote:
Near the F-22, no. Near Typhoon, certainly. It won't have the same air to air performance, but for strike I'd much prefer it and bombing been the USAF's primary air supremacy weapon for quite some time now.
Stealth is a bonus, but when you're stealth, you're not carrying a very meaningful payload anyway (by comparison at least).
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If the General IN THE FIELD said this in a newsconference that would be OK. Bush is in Washington surrounded by his shield of secret service agents, thousands of miles from the field of engagement and it looks like the closest he will ever come to Iraq was that stunt he pulled on the Carrier. You don't see a difference?Axis Kast wrote:What is this whole issue with the, "Bring them on!" statement? It was a blunt declaration that American troops are not being deterred. That's all.
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No. It's a blunt declaration from Bush that American troops are not being deterred. It's coming from a man who sits in air-conditioned comfort 24/7, who's life is protected by an entire damn organization, who's every whim is answered. He isn't even wearing a uniform! I don't wish to use a Nazi Analogy, but even Hitler vowed to always wear his Army Uniform until his forces won the war. In short, Bush is severely out of sync with his troops.Axis Kast wrote:What is this whole issue with the, "Bring them on!" statement? It was a blunt declaration that American troops are not being deterred. That's all.
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Bush, for all his incompetence, does seem to be an army supporter. He's an idiot.. No one can deny that.. But I do doubt he's actually wishing harm on our boys(The British still are there, right?).
Now, as to the whole contractor thing, I could be insane, but I suspect if you searched the lists of retired Army, you could find some very skilled civil engineers. Outfit them with heavy equipment and temporary comissions, send them to the Army Corp Of Engineers. Perhaps it's my ignorance, but it appears most work in this style of engineering can be broken down into easy tasks by a skillful man in charge. And I suspect you can find at least one Vet with the skills who wouldn't mind working for an Officer's salary and benefits for a while.
Just my two pence.
Now, as to the whole contractor thing, I could be insane, but I suspect if you searched the lists of retired Army, you could find some very skilled civil engineers. Outfit them with heavy equipment and temporary comissions, send them to the Army Corp Of Engineers. Perhaps it's my ignorance, but it appears most work in this style of engineering can be broken down into easy tasks by a skillful man in charge. And I suspect you can find at least one Vet with the skills who wouldn't mind working for an Officer's salary and benefits for a while.
Just my two pence.
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