Star Trek has superior data storage?

[TurboPhaser]

In the TNG episode 'Evolution' Wesley was screwing around with some nanites (microscopic robots) and he stated they have 'Gigabytes of memory' or something like that.

For a microscopic thing, this is quite impressive, no?

Thoughts?

[SirNitram]

In the TNG episode 'Evolution' Wesley was screwing around with some nanites (microscopic robots) and he stated they have 'Gigabytes of memory' or something like that.

For a microscopic thing, this is quite impressive, no?

Thoughts?

A trashcan bot stored detailed plans of a 160km battlestation, to the degree they could plot a vent shaft out to a 2 meter hole. This did not impede it's ability to perform hyperspacial calculations, think and react, or hack into major computer systems. I think the difference is clear.

[Howedar]

I think you're being silly.

ST nanobots seem to usually be about red blood cell-sized (at least Borg ones are). The average man has about 6 million red blood cells per cubic millimeter of blood. Therefore, we can get a ballpark of about 6 million GB per cubic millimeter of storage, assuming the technology scales.

Assuming R2-D2's hard drive is even only several cubic centimeters, it appears that Trek could get upwards of a billion GB in that space.

I know this is just a ballpark guess, so don't rip it to shreads.

[Howedar]

Forgot the reference. Misc. Red Blood Cell Info

[Alyeska]

Just as a qualifer, The E-D had large enough computers that they could store the entire data library of the Binars computer systems. Given their level of computer integration, thats an impressive feat.

[SirNitram]

We also have a nice hard evidence for how much a bleeding-edge android can hold and do...

DATA: I have an ultimate storage capacity of eight hundred quadrillion bits. My total linear computational speed has been rated at sixty trillion operations per second.

Measure of a Man.

Or, a good 100,000 TB and a few times the processor power of the room-sized computer that renders Pixar's films.

[Isolder74]

We also have a nice hard evidence for how much a bleeding-edge android can hold and do...

DATA: I have an ultimate storage capacity of eight hundred quadrillion bits. My total linear computational speed has been rated at sixty trillion operations per second.

Measure of a Man.

Or, a good 100,000 TB and a few times the processor power of the room-sized computer that renders Pixar's films.

800,000 Quaddrillion Bits not bytes, for those who dont know

8 bits = 1 Byte

so 8,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000/8 = 100,000,000,000,000,000,000
1 Tera = 1,000,000,000,000,000 so 100,000,000,000,000,000,000/1,000,000,000,000,000 = 100,000 TBytes

largest commercial hardrive I can find right now 1 TByte so this is roughly equal to 100,000 of the largest Hard drive we have currently available. This is quite impresive considering the size of Commander Data!

[Lord of the Farce]

By my rough calculations, each of the three computer cores (each a ten story tall structure, mind you) of the Galaxy class is suppose to have a total storage of 634,060.8 kiloquads. By my calculations, this adds up to roughly 50 petabytes.

Or in other words, the three computer cores of the Galaxy class adds up to roughly 1/15,294 billionth of the storage capacity of the computer core of Wedge's Gamble fame.

[Howedar]

Since when is there a conversion factor between bytes and "kiloquads"?

[Lord of the Farce]

Since when is there a conversion factor between bytes and "kiloquads"?

I just assume that instead of 0 and 1, quads is 0, 1, 2 and 3. For the calculation, what I did was squared 634,060,800.

[Isolder74]

In the TNG episode 'Evolution' Wesley was screwing around with some nanites (microscopic robots) and he stated they have 'Gigabytes of memory' or something like that.

For a microscopic thing, this is quite impressive, no?

Thoughts?

A trashcan bot stored detailed plans of a 160km battlestation, to the degree they could plot a vent shaft out to a 2 meter hole. This did not impede it's ability to perform hyperspacial calculations, think and react, or hack into major computer systems. I think the difference is clear.

I think he even appended the file with differences he found on the Death Star's Database(the Deck Plan he used to show Obi-Wan how to get to the Tractor Beam Control Station). This could imply he still had storage space available. Threepio can store overe 6 Millions forms of Communication plus many dialects of these languages(Australian->English for example). A Dialect is basically the parent language but some words have different meanings.

[Crown]

Well if the palm sized holoprjector that Count Dooku was holding at the end of AotC was storing as much detail as Artoo, wouldn't this make this discussion a bit mute?

[NecronLord]

Since when is there a conversion factor between bytes and "kiloquads"?

I just assume that instead of 0 and 1, quads is 0, 1, 2 and 3. For the calculation, what I did was squared 634,060,800.

The episode with the binars makes it clear that fedaration computers are most definitely and completely binary

Incidentally, Data's computational abilities ("My total linear computational speed has been rated at sixty trillion operations per second." Measure of a man) are in fact at best 6 times greater than our own, and at worst, two orders of mangnitude below ours. (It would of course be completely out of place to sadistically compare him to Skynet's 1e54 ops here)

"It seems reasonable to conclude that the human brain has a raw computational power between 1e13 and 1e16 operations per second."

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[Sea Skimmer]

A trashcan bot stored detailed plans of a 160km battlestation, to the degree they could plot a vent shaft out to a 2 meter hole. This did not impede it's ability to perform hyperspacial calculations, think and react, or hack into major computer systems. I think the difference is clear.

Not to mention the fat floppy disk that held those same plans

[SPOOFE]

Didn't Threepio once say that his entire CPU and memory core measured only six cubic centimeters, or somesuch?

[NecronLord]

Didn't Threepio once say that his entire CPU and memory core measured only six cubic centimeters, or somesuch?

Probably. Just look at MSE droids, and they're dedicated couriers.

[Illuminatus Primus]

Well if the palm sized holoprjector that Count Dooku was holding at the end of AotC was storing as much detail as Artoo, wouldn't this make this discussion a bit mute?

The design wasn't complete, however. It is possible that beyond the superlaser and maybe the reactor, not much was laid out in detail.

Artoo's plans were down to the deck layout of every floor on the entire physical completed station.

[Slartibartfast]

Well if the palm sized holoprjector that Count Dooku was holding at the end of AotC was storing as much detail as Artoo, wouldn't this make this discussion a bit mute?

The design wasn't complete, however. It is possible that beyond the superlaser and maybe the reactor, not much was laid out in detail.

Artoo's plans were down to the deck layout of every floor on the entire physical completed station.

Didn't Leia upload those plans into Artoo using some sort of futuristic diskette?

[Tribun]

Yep.
It was all on that small card, she put into his data upload slot. For such a small card it is very impressive to hold the complete and detailled plans of a 160km battle station.

[StarshipTitanic]

That just helps the argument in Star Wars' favor.

[Tribun]

I think, what Leia used, was a data-disk. They were several times mentioned in the EU, so that should be one. The question is, if it is a high-detensity disk, or a simple standart disk.
If the latter, it would be even more impressive.

[Hasler]

The Republics library on coruscant is supose to hold all the information in the galaxy from star maps to literature. That right there is a lot of info pluss it has room for more. that is alot of computing power and storage area. that holds roughly the data of a billion enterprises. That amount of info storage seems a little beyond starfleets capablities.

[kojikun]

how much information can DNA hold? Isnt it around 1 billion aminoacide pairs? thats 1 gigabit. and to consider that DNA is very very small..

[RedImperator]

Threepio can store overe 6 Millions forms of Communication plus many dialects of these languages(Australian->English for example). A Dialect is basically the parent language but some words have different meanings.

That to me is more impressive than holding the entire Death Star plan on one diskette. Not only would he have to know the vocabulary and grammar of six million languages (within thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of totally unrelated language families), he'd need their figures of speech, instructions on what words are approppriate for which situations, the protocol for using titles (the subtle difference between "Your Highness" and "Your Excellency", for example), lists of taboo words, and lots of other things. On top of all that, he's a protocol droid, so he'd need to know all the arbitrary and esoteric rules of ettiquite in hundreds of situations in thousands of culture. Plus he has a unique personality and is fully sentient, with fully developed emotions.

[Isolder74]

Threepio can store overe 6 Millions forms of Communication plus many dialects of these languages(Australian->English for example). A Dialect is basically the parent language but some words have different meanings.

That to me is more impressive than holding the entire Death Star plan on one diskette. Not only would he have to know the vocabulary and grammar of six million languages (within thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of totally unrelated language families), he'd need their figures of speech, instructions on what words are approppriate for which situations, the protocol for using titles (the subtle difference between "Your Highness" and "Your Excellency", for example), lists of taboo words, and lots of other things. On top of all that, he's a protocol droid, so he'd need to know all the arbitrary and esoteric rules of ettiquite in hundreds of situations in thousands of culture. Plus he has a unique personality and is fully sentient, with fully developed emotions.

I think it is safe to say that for each language he knows plus countless others(i think most known worlds) he would have to know this information for every language and Dialect he knows in order to be able to do his primary function, Protacol adviser to diplomats.