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From http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/19/inter ... IT.html?th
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British Arms Expert at Center of Dispute on Iraq Data Is Found Dead, His Wife Says
By WARREN HOGE with JUDITH MILLER


ONDON, July 18 — The arms expert at the center of a dispute about whether the British government doctored its intelligence reports on Iraq's weapons programs to gain public support for going to war was found dead this morning near his home in Oxfordshire, his wife said today.

The weapons specialist, Dr. David Kelly, left his home on Thursday afternoon saying he was going for a walk and never returned, his wife, Jan Kelly, said in a telephone interview today.

Mrs. Kelly said the police had confirmed that the body was her husband's, and that the cause of death was suicide. She declined to say what led the police to that conclusion, saying they had asked her not to discuss details of his death.

Dr. Kelly, 59, an Oxford-educated former United Nations weapons inspector in Iraq with a specialty in biological weapons, faced tough questioning on Tuesday from the House of Commons Select Committee on Foreign Affairs about whether he had been the source of an accusation broadcast by the BBC that the British government had doctored intelligence findings in its campaign to gain public support for going to war in Iraq.

The body was discovered on a woodland footpath five miles from the Kelly residence. The acting superintendent of the Thames Valley police, Dave Purnell, said a formal identification would be made on Saturday, but that the description of the body matched that of Dr. Kelly. Calling the case an "unexplained death," Mr. Purnell declined to discuss possible causes.

Mrs. Kelly said her husband had worked on Thursday morning on a report he said he owed the Foreign Office and had sent some e-mail messages to friends. "After lunch, he went out for a walk to stretch his legs as he usually does," she said.

She had no indication that her husband was contemplating suicide, she said. "But he had been under enormous stress, as we all had been," she said.

Dr. Kelly, whose title was senior adviser on weapons of mass destruction, might have unwittingly become caught up in a painfully public political storm for which his experience as a respected expert on bioterrorism and his personal life as an intensely private family man had not prepared him.

A soft-spoken civil servant in the Ministry of Defense accustomed to working behind the scenes, Dr. Kelly was pressed repeatedly by committee members about his role in the bitter dispute that has pitted the government against the BBC and been front-page news in Britain during the last week.

Prime Minister Tony Blair's powerful communications and security director, Alastair Campbell, has conducted a wide-ranging campaign against the BBC, the world's largest public service broadcaster, alleging that it has let its vaunted standards of impartiality lapse in the pursuit of what he has called "an agenda against the war."

In an e-mail message to a reporter sent hours before he left for his walk, Dr. Kelly gave no indication that he was depressed. He said he was waiting "until the end of the week" before judging how his appearance before the committee had gone, and referred to "many dark actors playing games." Based on earlier conversations with Dr. Kelly, the words seemed to refer to people within the Ministry of Defense and Britain's intelligence agencies with whom he had often sparred over interpretations of intelligence reports.

Another associate who also received an e-mail message sent by Dr. Kelly shortly before he left the house said the message was combative and expressed a determination to overcome the scandal encircling him and an enthusiasm about returning to Iraq.

Mr. Blair was told about the discovery of the body during a flight to Tokyo from Washington today, and upon his arrival, his spokesman said, "The prime minister is obviously very distressed for the family."

Mr. Blair is on the second leg of a weeklong journey that began Thursday and included meetings with President Bush and an address to a joint meeting of Congress.
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Tom Mangold, a journalist for the British news network ITV and a friend of Dr. Kelly's, said he had spoken this morning to Mrs. Kelly, who said her husband had been "very, very angry about what had happened at the committee" on Tuesday.

"She didn't use the word `depressed,' " Mr. Mangold said, "but she said he was very, very stressed and unhappy about what had happened and this was really not the kind of world he wanted to live in."

The case that put Dr. Kelly in the public eye arose from a report broadcast on May 29 asserting that a high-ranking Downing Street official had "sexed up" a government intelligence dossier by inserting a claim that Mr. Hussein had chemical and biological weapons that could be deployed in 45 minutes.

The BBC reporter, Andrew Gilligan, who covers military affairs, said the insertion had been made against the wishes of intelligence agencies. The weapons claim was the highlight of the report published by the government to persuade a dubious British public that military action was needed in Iraq.

Mr. Gilligan attributed his account to a senior weapons scientist he had met at a downtown London hotel. He did not identify the high-ranking Downing Street official on the air, but subsequently wrote in a newspaper article that it was Mr. Campbell.

Mr. Campbell reacted with fury and challenged Mr. Gilligan to produce his source. Mr. Campbell collected denials from the intelligence agencies involved, demanded an apology from the BBC and testified before the committee that later was to hear from Dr. Kelly.

When Dr. Kelly originally volunteered to Defense Ministry managers in early July that he had met with Mr. Gilligan at a downtown hotel on May 22, Mr. Campbell seized the opportunity to challenge the BBC to say whether he was Mr. Gilligan's source for the report.

The BBC refused, citing its practice of not identifying people who provide information on condition of anonymity. Mr. Campbell retorted that Dr. Kelly himself had withdrawn the request.

The foreign affairs committee then invited Dr. Kelly to testify, and he appeared on Tuesday, saying that he did not believe that he was the "main source" for the story.

As a witness, Dr. Kelly sat hunched over the desk in front of him, looking troubled and uncomfortable under the pointed questioning of members of the parliamentary panel. On several occasions, lawmakers asked him to raise his voice so they could hear his responses.

"I reckon you're the chaff thrown up to divert our probing," Andrew Mackinlay, a Labor Party member, said as Dr. Kelly squirmed in the witness chair. "Have you ever felt like the fall guy? I mean, you've been set up, haven't you?"

Dr. Kelly said quietly that he was in no position to answer the question.

Sir John Stanley, a Conservative, said, "You were being exploited to rubbish Gilligan and his source, quite clearly."

Dr. Kelly replied, "I've just found myself in this position out of my own honesty of acknowledging that fact that I had interacted with him."

Donald Anderson, chairman of the committee, said today that he did not believe the questioning was overly aggressive, but said, "It was wholly outside his normal experience, therefore must have certainly been an ordeal for him."

Richard Ottaway, another committee Conservative, said: "There are games going on here, there are people trying to make points, trying to shut down avenues of inquiry, trying to open up things. But putting up Dr. Kelly was just part of the distraction, and it's had the most ghastly result, and I am deeply critical of those involved."

On Thursday, Mr. Gilligan, the BBC reporter, appeared before the committee again and afterward Mr. Anderson read a statement calling him an "unsatisfactory witness" and accusing him of changing his story from his first appearance. Mr. Gilligan denied the charge and called the committee a "hanging jury."

The Ministry of Defense said it would hold an independent judicial inquiry into the circumstances of Dr. Kelly's death, but the government showed no signs tonight of bowing to the growing demands from members of Parliament for a full-scale independent judicial look into the whole issue of weapons intelligence.

A ministry spokesman said Dr. Kelly had at no point been threatened with suspension or dismissal as a result of his admission that he had spoken to Mr. Gilligan, a technical violation of civil service rules. The ministry said he had been given five days to consider the consequences of going public before the disclosure was announced and that he had been told he might end up being called to testify before Parliament.

Robert Jackson, the Conservative member of Parliament from Dr. Kelly's Oxfordshire district, said that if the scientist had committed suicide, the responsibility lay not with the government but with the BBC.

The BBC limited its comment to an expression of condolences to the Kelly family. "Whilst Dr. Kelly's family await the formal identification, it would not be appropriate for us to make any further statement," the BBC said.
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My Condolences to the wife. That's terrible.


But I don't see anyone like this commiting suicide unless something really devastating is over the horizon...
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The conspiracy nuts are probably creaming their panties right now as we speak.
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RedImperator wrote:The conspiracy nuts are probably creaming their panties right now as we speak.
So I wasn't the only one that was thinking "Suicide? Yeh, right"
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I thought he was murdered as soon as i heard it. I'm glad im not the only one who jumped to that. If it was an assassination, they did a pisspoor job of it, considering it really looks like a conspiracy.
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It doesn't matter WHAT really happened now. For the next fifty years, we're going to hear about how he was murdered by Tony Blair's agents to keep him from talking, no matter how transparent and thorough an investigation we get.
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It appears that he was Baxtered.

I guess we'll see what really happened, providing the investigators don't handle things with kid gloves.
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Hamel wrote:It appears that he was Baxtered.
:roll: Don't you mean Vince Fostered? :P
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If it really was an assassination, then it is clearly the absolute worst-timed assassination of all time.
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Durran Korr wrote:If it really was an assassination, then it is clearly the absolute worst-timed assassination of all time.
The words "foolish", "inept", "amatuer", and "panicked" would apply if this was an assasination.
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RedImperator wrote:The conspiracy nuts are probably creaming their panties right now as we speak.
Heart attack is more like it.
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RedImperator wrote:The conspiracy nuts are probably creaming their panties right now as we speak.
Could someone bring me a towel, please? :lol:
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RedImperator wrote:The conspiracy nuts are probably creaming their panties right now as we speak.
Could someone bring me a towel, please? :lol:
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If it does turn out that he was murdered, that will be the last straw for Blair's government, and another nail in the coffin for the Bush Administration.
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If you want my professional opinion as someone in the Naval intelligence community, I think the British government popped 'im.

But, that's just a guess.
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This is just so suspicious it's not funny.
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Lonestar wrote:If you want my professional opinion as someone in the Naval intelligence community, I think the British government popped 'im.

But, that's just a guess.
Considering the fact that this guy was a weapons expert, what I'm hearing about him slashing one wrist and popping a bunch of pills as a means of suicide, if that is in fact the official cause of death, is a pretty good clue.

A weapons expert does not set out to commit suicide by the least effective conceivable means.
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Raoul Duke, Jr. wrote:...slashing one wrist and popping a bunch of pills...

A weapons expert does not set out to commit suicide by the least effective conceivable means.
Too, with pills and slashing, there's no gun shot residue or trajectory angles, forensic evidence that would easily indicate sucide or murder...
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A weapons expert does not set out to commit suicide by the least effective conceivable means.
Get off it. I cannot believe you idiots. I used to respect this board; I really did. You had worthwhile opinions, and it was reasonable to stay here and test myself and what my own opinions against your's in debate, because you provided a real perspective from the opposite side of the spectrum.

Now you're just a bunch of lunatic conspiracy theorists. This is really quite incredible.
A weapons expert does not set out to commit suicide by the least effective conceivable means?
That's pure insanity. On your part--no, blind stupidity. People who commit suicide like that are emotionally distraught, confused over things, upset, angered, maddened, etc--they are acting irrationally. And so an irrational action is, of course, irrationally enacted.

Besides this, where the hell does it say that he's an expert in small arms? It says he was an expert in biological weapons. Was he going to kill himself with anthrax? That would be a bad way to go.

Do you people realize how ridiculous you sound? You're like a bunch of militiamen talking in your compound about how the black helicopters are coming to get you. Wake up and smell reality. The man could, quite simply, not handle the pressure, and cracked. It happens.

I can only hope Mike will come in here and beat you all senseless with some logic--I doubt you'll listen to anything I say, Marina the evil Rightist--as I really have no desire to watch this board degenerate into the left-wing equivlant of AssaultWeb, and there's not much of a chance to save it if you're seizing on things like this.
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Raoul Duke, Jr. wrote:
Lonestar wrote:If you want my professional opinion as someone in the Naval intelligence community, I think the British government popped 'im.

But, that's just a guess.
Considering the fact that this guy was a weapons expert, what I'm hearing about him slashing one wrist and popping a bunch of pills as a means of suicide, if that is in fact the official cause of death, is a pretty good clue.

A weapons expert does not set out to commit suicide by the least effective conceivable means.
Yes but the other side of that coin is that you would expect the supposed government assassins to make it look more convincing, I hate to break this to you all but human beings do in fact commit suicide and the guy was thrown to the wolves and by all accounts seemed to be under huge amounts of pressure.

While I have no doubt my government would commit extra legal killing nothing here seems motive enough (although its possible there is something huge that is unknown) and the sloppy nature of this also causes me to doubt the conspiracy being touted by some.

The email he sent talking about "many dark actors playing games" mere hours before his death is bound to cause further conspiracy theories to be spun no doubt.
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The email he sent talking about "many dark actors playing games" mere hours before his death is bound to cause further conspiracy theories to be spun no doubt.
Which invariably refers to the political games over the question of the WMD in Iraq, the "dark actors" being politicians he perceived as evil.
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The Duchess of Zeon wrote:
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The email he sent talking about "many dark actors playing games" mere hours before his death is bound to cause further conspiracy theories to be spun no doubt.
Which invariably refers to the political games over the question of the WMD in Iraq, the "dark actors" being politicians he perceived as evil.
Well yeah however context doesn't come into play unless it supports the conspiracy, otherwise reframing of any statements is necessary in order to make it fit correctly.
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A weapons expert does not set out to commit suicide by the least effective conceivable means.
Get off it. I cannot believe you idiots. I used to respect this board; I really did. You had worthwhile opinions, and it was reasonable to stay here and test myself and what my own opinions against your's in debate, because you provided a real perspective from the opposite side of the spectrum.

Now you're just a bunch of lunatic conspiracy theorists. This is really quite incredible.
What's incredible, Maria, is that you're discounting wholesale the extremely suspicious timing and method of this man's alleged suicide based simply on the idea that it creates a conspiracy theory.

In short, you're using an appeal to popularity -- you're arguing that our conclusions are incorrect simply because they are of an unpopular type of conclusion.
A weapons expert does not set out to commit suicide by the least effective conceivable means?
That's pure insanity. On your part--no, blind stupidity. People who commit suicide like that are emotionally distraught, confused over things, upset, angered, maddened, etc--they are acting irrationally. And so an irrational action is, of course, irrationally enacted.
Okay, you have a point with the second statement -- I wasn't aware of what specific type of weaponry he was an expert on. The first, not quite as much as you think. If someone is an expert in something, emotional distress may make them slip up -- but it's not going to make them forget every single thing they know about a task they're performing. Someone who is an expert in a given type of weaponry isn't suddenly going to go bone-stupid if they become suicidal. All I got wrong there was the type of weaponry the man is an expert with.
Besides this, where the hell does it say that he's an expert in small arms? It says he was an expert in biological weapons. Was he going to kill himself with anthrax? That would be a bad way to go.
But above, you just argued that he was emotionally distraught and hence probably not thinking straight -- so why would he consider a chemical/biological agent a bad way to go, but not a combination of blood loss and toxin? Not to mention that blood loss and toxin alone are not renowned for their effectiveness. So either he didn't know what the hell he was doing, or he just didn't happen to have a firearm handy.
Do you people realize how ridiculous you sound? You're like a bunch of militiamen talking in your compound about how the black helicopters are coming to get you. Wake up and smell reality. The man could, quite simply, not handle the pressure, and cracked. It happens.
It's interesting that he just happened to crack when quite a few people stood to lose a very great deal by him speaking. Big coincidence, huh?
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Marina, political leaning has nothing to do with this. This is a very convenient death with large bipartisan political ramifications in two countries. It isn't a left-wing vs. right-wing thing -- it's a suspicion vs. confirmation thing.
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If this conspiracy nonsense continues, I might be tempted into matching Marina's rant. Seriously, use your damn brains. Do you really think the British government would be so inept as to kill him NOW? Do you really think that they wouldn't be able to anticipate people connecting the dots like this? Do you really think he knew something so damaging, or that Tony Goddamn Blair is so vicious, that he'd be worth killing? What's the worst possible thing he could say? The government lied while it was drumming up support for an unpopular war? Oh, be still my heart, the government lied! Now I'll be disillusioned forever! Jesus Christ. Marina's right--I'd expect this kind of shit out of raving hystrical hippies who think John Ashcroft is coming to hook car batteries to their testicles or Michigan Militia members trying to buy Stinger missiles to shoot down the black helicopters.
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Raoul Duke, Jr. wrote:What's incredible, Maria, is that you're discounting wholesale the extremely suspicious timing and method of this man's alleged suicide based simply on the idea that it creates a conspiracy theory.
Let's look at the two competing theories:

1) The man is under incredible pressure, feels the weight of the world bearing down on him for decisions he may have been involved with, and commits suicide at the peak of this pressure.

2) The man was murdered by a shadowy government conspiracy whose purpose was apparently to create a gigantic new public-relations problem for Tony Blair. After all, there's no other conceivable reason for the timing of the suicide.

Honestly, which of these two theories makes more sense? Not only does the second theory make the preposterous claim that we must choose between "conspiracy" and "coincidence" as the only possible explanations for the timing, but it creates a conspiracy out of thin air, and with no conceivable motive to boot.
It's interesting that he just happened to crack when quite a few people stood to lose a very great deal by him speaking. Big coincidence, huh?
Yes, he might have said something to the effect that the evidence for WMD in Iraq was exaggerated (or more accurately, that various qualifiers and uncertainties were papered over). Something that every newspaper in the world has been saying for quite a while, and a fact which US government insiders have already spilled weeks ago. Nothing to do but kill the man with the well-kept secret, eh?
Marina, political leaning has nothing to do with this. This is a very convenient death with large bipartisan political ramifications in two countries. It isn't a left-wing vs. right-wing thing -- it's a suspicion vs. confirmation thing.
Conspiracy theories aren't necessarily about political affiliation, but they are usually about faulty logic. Most conspiracy theories rest entirely upon a failure to seriously explore a more reasonable explanation.
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