Predictions for the NJO finale

[Illuminatus Primus]

It said "if he was a Chiss." Jag Fel is not a Chiss. Do I need to make this more simple? You need to be a Chiss to get equal treatment. The difference is racial. The descrimination is racist. I don't have to prove the "culture explanation" you cooked up wrong--it is your job to justify it, when the evidence says race is the difference.

[His Divine Shadow]

It said "if he was a Chiss." Jag Fel is not a Chiss. Do I need to make this more simple? You need to be a Chiss to get equal treatment. The difference is racial. The descrimination is racist. I don't have to prove the "culture explanation" you cooked up wrong--it is your job to justify it, when the evidence says race is the difference.

And now I think you're just unreasonable, you clearly can't just say it's race from this one instance, because consider, there are no chiss-raised humans or such where Thrawn is, so all there is is Chiss or not, no Chiss-raised humans or Chiss in terms of culture not race, I find this to be an unknown to me that doesn't swing in either the favor of race of culture, only secondary evidence to this swings it to culture.
Still I wonder if the guy writing this had some problems with Zahn.

I think it's faulity logic to use this situation to make it a race only issue or to make it apply for everything, I do not see any problems here with the culture explanation, which explains Jagged Fel's feelings on the matter, assuming he's not a moron that doesn't notice his kind is hated, which I doubt he is.

The race issue doesn't work for me, since the replacement showed admirable traits even though he was not a Chiss and Thrawn promoted him, even though he had failed him.

It seems to me that you just want to write them all of as assholes and shitheads and you get really pissed and start throwing around roll eye smileys whenever someone says something different, even me, even though we've agreed on alot of things.
If I'm being apologetic, you are being far too harsch.

[Illuminatus Primus]

*snip*

Faulty logic would be assuming a "culture" experience when no such explanation is needed, required, or indicated. I just posted earlier that they said that Jag Fel was accepted because, as a human, he performed the Chiss.

They have a "cultured contempt" for sub-Chiss, and consider all other races and species to be "primitive and barbaric." Only those who adhere to the philosophies and codes of conduct of the Chiss are esteemed by the Chiss. (These data courtesy of Gamer #5.)

There, I spelled it out. They are racists. Thrawn killed Peterson because he wasn't a Chiss.

Jag Fel gets special treatment (ie. equal treatment) only because he lives up to Chiss philosophies and codes of conduct of the Chiss, and fights for them. Fellow Chiss are automatically equals, and do not need to live up to a standard to be seen as worthy. Therefore, Fel's ability raises him above his humanity in their eyes, a racist concept.

[His Divine Shadow]

Faulty logic would be assuming a "culture" experience when no such explanation is needed, required, or indicated. I just posted earlier that they said that Jag Fel was accepted because, as a human, he performed the Chiss.

They have a "cultured contempt" for sub-Chiss, and consider all other races and species to be "primitive and barbaric." Only those who adhere to the philosophies and codes of conduct of the Chiss are esteemed by the Chiss. (These data courtesy of Gamer #5.)

There, I spelled it out. They are racists. Thrawn killed Peterson because he wasn't a Chiss.

Actually, that seems to me they are arrogant and elitist and look down on others that have not embraced their superior ideals.

Jag Fel gets special treatment (ie. equal treatment) only because he lives up to Chiss philosophies and codes of conduct of the Chiss, and fights for them. Fellow Chiss are automatically equals, and do not need to live up to a standard to be seen as worthy. Therefore, Fel's ability raises him above his humanity in their eyes, a racist concept.

Do we know that this is true? If it is, you have a point.
Do fellow Chiss automatically live up to this standard?
I would assume that every child in Chiss society, blue or not, would have to pass their social requirements, especially anyone entering the armed forces.
Much like the shamed ones in Yuuzhan Vong society, but perhaps not to such a degree though.

[Illuminatus Primus]

They have a "cultured contempt" for sub-Chiss,

Arrogance, elitism, racism.

and consider all other races and species to be "primitive and barbaric."

Elitism and racism.

Only those who adhere to the philosophies and codes of conduct of the Chiss are esteemed by the Chiss. (these data courtesy of Gamer #5.)

There almost certainly talking about non-Chiss; the "other race and sub-species; sub-Chiss" above.

Do we know that this is true? If it is, you have a point.
Do fellow Chiss automatically live up to this standard?
I would assume that every child in Chiss society, blue or not, would have to pass their social requirements, especially anyone entering the armed forces.

Justify the assumption.

I've already proven they are racists; it is an deniable official fact, so I don't see what we're arguing about now.

[Dorsk 81]

Gone a little OT here....

[His Divine Shadow]

They have a "cultured contempt" for sub-Chiss,

Arrogance, elitism, racism.

This doesn't neccesarily speak of racism to me, sub-chiss doesn't have to be in a racial term, could be more of a national/cultural term.

and consider all other races and species to be "primitive and barbaric."

Elitism and racism.

Again, not neccesarily racism(though definitly arrogance and elitism), again they could be reffering to their superior chiss values and militaristic culture compared to that of the galaxy proper.

Only those who adhere to the philosophies and codes of conduct of the Chiss are esteemed by the Chiss. (these data courtesy of Gamer #5.)

There almost certainly talking about non-Chiss; the "other race and sub-species; sub-Chiss" above.

I don't see the racial implications here either, it seems that anyone that follows their values have their respect.
There's not a chance in hell that a Jew could have gotten any Nazis respect or esteem even if he did adhere to their imagined superiority of the aryan race and whatnot.

Justify the assumption.

It justifies itself really, unless you think it's logical that the Chiss lets everyone enter, even someone who's repeatedly shown sub-par intelligence and is clearly dimwitted, and in every species so far those people are found as they grow up and categorized, it'd be absurd to think that the Chiss, which are most likely are adapted humans would not have classes in society or schools that grade their students.

I've already proven they are racists; it is an deniable official fact, so I don't see what we're arguing about now.

I don't really see anything that can be explicitly used to say they are racist, only arrogant and cultural elitist's, even Thrawn who executed one officer promoted another for failing him because he showed promise, that speaks more to me that Thrawn was impressed that this guy was thinking in Chiss like ways, if it was racial, there was nothing he could have done since he's human not Chiss and thats final, and he would have died like his predecessor.

[Illuminatus Primus]

Jesus Christ HDS, they clarify that it is other races and species than their own that they descriminate by. It says that.

To descriminate unfairly/arbitrarily by race is racism.

rac·ism
n.
The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.

Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

[His Divine Shadow]

Jesus Christ HDS, they clarify that it is other races and species than their own that they descriminate by. It says that.

Is that a quote? If so, could I get a full quote with context and everything because I saw none of that in your earlier posts.

EDIT:

The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.

Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

Well as I've see it, they discriminate other races automatically because they have not been raised in their superior Chiss society.

[Illuminatus Primus]

Records gathered from the Star Destroyer Chimaera demonstrate that Chiss standards differ when a crime or egregious is committed by a non Chiss. After a regrettable failure of a bridge crewman aboard his ship, the infamous Chiss Grand Admiral Thrawn ordered his Noghri enforcer to kill an incompetent officer. Had the offending party or the intended recipients of the lesson been a fellow Chiss, Thrawn would have likely been less overt.

The Chiss however do not believe in capital punishment, recognizing it as an irrational emotion driven reaction rather than a true deterrent. Exile is the extreme consequence for the most heinous crimes. Given how important family loyalty is to the Chiss , the expulsion from society is a very grave punishment.

Point A: Thrawn had Cris Peterson killed.

Point B: Thrawn's punishment would have been less overt had he been a Chiss.

Point C: The Chiss do not believe in executing [each other].

Therefore, had Peterson been a Chiss, he would not have been executed.

This is very interesting, as Thrawn admitted that few would have found a way to counteract Luke's maneuver. Pellaeon then asked why Pieterson was executed. Thrawn says that this is war and in war we can't mistakes or something to that effect. He never really answers Pellaeon's question. Pellaeon just figures he's too dumb to understand. Now we know why.

Despite their growing borders, the Chiss still foster a cultured contempt for other species, and believe in isolation and preservation of their heritage.

The Chiss motive for exploration and expansion is difficult to determine. they lack the passion for conquering the unknown, common in humans, and they do not claim new territory out of greed or hunger for power. The Basic need to manage Csilla's population as well as gathering resources without upsetting their hom,eworld's ecosystem . Since the worlds in their territory more than suffice for the total Chiss population needs(estimated at just shy of five trillion) the question remains as to just what the Chiss are looking for. A leading theory is that the Chiss seek to impose order on what they see as a chaotic and barbaric region.

Chiss are extremely loyal to their own kind and look down upon other aliens as barbaric and immature. Only by proving that he adheres to Chiss disciplines can a non-Chiss gain the lotalty and respect of the cerulean-skinned people.

[His Divine Shadow]

With those quotes it just reinforces my opinion that it's not racial, if it was, no other species could prove itself by adhering to Chiss social standards.

It seems to me the Chiss are an elitist and arrogant species who clings in an almost fundamentalistic way to the believed superiority of their society and as such look upon species from other societies as barbaric and primitive and only those who proves they can shake the values they where raised with and accept the values of the Chiss are worthy of their respect.

In other words, utter fucking assholes who see themselves as superior to others unless they prove themselves.