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PALESTINE, West Virginia (CNN) -- Former prisoner of war Jessica Lynch returns to her home in the rugged green hills of West Virginia Tuesday, following a dramatic rescue and months of painful recuperation.

Thousands of well-wishers are expected to cheer the 20-year-old Army private first class as she and her family are honored with a parade.

She will also speak to the news media for the first time since her April rescue from an Iraqi hospital that drew worldwide attention.

Lynch is scheduled to arrive mid-afternoon in Elizabeth, about 70 miles north of Charleston, the state capital.

She will appear before the assembled media in a tent, then travel in a military motorcade to Palestine, her tiny hometown about three miles away.

Lynch is still unable to stand on her own and faces more rehabilitation as she can walk only with a walker. To accommodate her recovery, volunteer workers have built an addition on the family home that was financed by local and national businesses.

A family spokesman said last week Lynch plans to seek a discharge from the Army.

Lynch has spent more than three months at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, D.C., recovering from injuries.

She was hurt when her unit, the 507th Maintenance Company from Fort Bliss, Texas, was ambushed after taking a wrong turn near Nasiriya on March 23. Eleven soldiers died in the attack and five were taken prisoner.

Lynch suffered three breaks in her left leg, multiple breaks in her right foot, a fractured disk in her back, a broken right upper arm and lacerations on her head, family spokesman Randy Coleman said last week.

A military report on the ambush said Lynch was injured when the Humvee in which she was riding was hit with a rocket-propelled grenade and crashed.

After the ambush, Lynch was taken to a hospital in Nasiriya, where Iraqi doctors treated her.

U.S. forces, acting on a tip, descended on the hospital in the middle of the night on April 1 and rescued her, making the young woman an international celebrity.

Staff members at the Iraqi hospital said later that no Iraqi troops were in the facility by the time U.S. forces arrived.


Wirt County is festooned with banners welcoming its most famous resident.
They also said they had earlier tried to turn Lynch over to American forces but turned back when their ambulance was fired upon.

Nasiriya, along the Euphrates River in southern Iraq, was the scene of some of the war's most intense fighting. At the time Lynch was rescued, the city was not yet under full coalition control.

In a ceremony Monday at Walter Reed, Lynch was presented with the Bronze Star, the Purple Heart and the POW medal.

In making the presentation, Lt. Gen. James B. Peake, the Army's surgeon general, said the medals "are about service, and what it means to be a part of this organization and uniform," according to a hospital statement.

The ceremony included her family and the medical staff who had taken care of her, the statement said.

The Bronze Star is given for meritorious service in combat and the Purple Heart is given to service members wounded in action.

Afterward, Lynch thanked the hospital staff for the care she received, the statement said.

CNN Correspondents Bob Franken and Patty Davis contributed to this report.
Ok just to be clear, she deserved most everything she got including the publicity but several things bug me about the media's love fest with Lynch.

She lied: She said that she had been stabbed and shot....look at her list on injuries, she was not stabbed or shot during the attack, in fact all of her injuries were sustained in a rocket attack on her humvee where she was most likely knocked out or too wounded to do anything, and at one point I'm fairly certain she claimed to have emptied several guns into the enemy. I think she was trying to blow up her own involvement in the battle.

What about everyone else? If she's getting a medal for lying on her back in an enemy hospital so should the others in a similar position. She was not the only POW in the war.

WHY? What exactly did she do to EARN the Bronze star? I'm sorry but she just didn't do much of anything in my estimation to earn the medal. She was taken prisoner, well so were quite a few American troops and you don;t see them getting medals. The ones who truly deserve that medal are the special forces teams that went in to get her behind enemy lines.

Sorry if this comes off harsh but I was always a bit ticked off by the media love fest almost immedaitely in regard to her in comparison to the other POWs, particualrly since the only people that paraded her in front of a camera wounded was US.
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Public relations, plain and simple.
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I agree. The media were so desperate to find a hero for this war that they latched on to the first semi-attractive blond who'd been captured and roughed up. Now they're making a fucking TV movie out of this. Give me a break.
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Sorry if this comes off harsh but I was always a bit ticked off by the media love fest almost immedaitely in regard to her in comparison to the other POWs, particualrly since the only people that paraded her in front of a camera wounded was US.
Yes yes we know how you fucking hate the Bush Adminstration, Donald
Rumsfield, and everyone involved in Iraq...but please, lay off the poor
woman - she can't even fucking remember a damn thing that happened
to her (which is probably for the best),
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Stravo wrote:
Sorry if this comes off harsh but I was always a bit ticked off by the media love fest almost immedaitely in regard to her in comparison to the other POWs, particualrly since the only people that paraded her in front of a camera wounded was US.
Yes yes we know how you fucking hate the Bush Adminstration, Donald
Rumsfield, and everyone involved in Iraq...but please, lay off the poor
woman - she can't even fucking remember a damn thing that happened
to her (which is probably for the best),
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Nice generalization there Shep. Maybe you forgot my passionate defenses FOR the war. Sounds to me like you're suffering from the same "memory problems" as Lynch. She can't remember huh? She remembers that she got stabbed and shot, that she emptied guns into the enemy? Give me fucking break.

So valid criticism is now hatred of Bush (who I voted for)? Rumsfeld?
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The eligiblity requirements for the awarding of the Bronze Star
A. Authorized by Executive Order 9519, (Bronze Star Medal), Feb. 4, 1944, superseded by Executive Order 11046.

B. Awarded to any person who, while serving in any capacity with the Armed Forces of the United States, distinguishes himself after 6 December 1941, by heroic or meritorious achievement or service, not involving participation in aerial flight, under any of the following circumstances:

(1) While engaged in an action against an enemy of the United States.

(2) While engaged in military operations involving conflict with an op-posing foreign force.

(3) While serving with friendly foreign forces engaged in an armed conflict against an opposing armed force in which the United States is not a belligerent party.

C. When the Bronze Star is awarded for heroism, a bronze letter "V" (for valor) is worn on the suspension and service ribbon of that medal.

Desperately attempting to return fire after suffering crippling injury meets the criteria. She was engaged in combat with the enemy (her convoy was attacked) and due to the extent of her injuries (broken legs, ribs, arms, concussion, shock) she could have just laid there and no one would think any less of her. she chose to push on, just because her weapon jammed doesn't make it any less brave.
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Stravo wrote: Nice generalization there Shep. Maybe you forgot my passionate defenses FOR the war.
No, I've been watching with annoyance as you spam N&P with thread
after thread with some variation therof of outraged rage about how
our evil military industrial complex is fucking over someone...from
the 3rd ID to the 3rd ID's wives, to now some whinging over PFC
Lynch.

I don't really give a damn about Lynch getting a Bronze Star. It could
be worse. This could be like Grenadia or the 1st Gulf War:

"Hey, I got shot at by an Iraqi and it didn't even come close to me! Give me
a Bronze Star!" medal inflation.
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Col. Crackpot wrote:The eligiblity requirements for the awarding of the Bronze Star
A. Authorized by Executive Order 9519, (Bronze Star Medal), Feb. 4, 1944, superseded by Executive Order 11046.

B. Awarded to any person who, while serving in any capacity with the Armed Forces of the United States, distinguishes himself after 6 December 1941, by heroic or meritorious achievement or service, not involving participation in aerial flight, under any of the following circumstances:

(1) While engaged in an action against an enemy of the United States.

(2) While engaged in military operations involving conflict with an op-posing foreign force.

(3) While serving with friendly foreign forces engaged in an armed conflict against an opposing armed force in which the United States is not a belligerent party.

C. When the Bronze Star is awarded for heroism, a bronze letter "V" (for valor) is worn on the suspension and service ribbon of that medal.

Desperately attempting to return fire after suffering crippling injury meets the criteria. She was engaged in combat with the enemy (her convoy was attacked) and due to the extent of her injuries (broken legs, ribs, arms, concussion, shock) she could have just laid there and no one would think any less of her. she chose to push on, just because her weapon jammed doesn't make it any less brave.
Agreed IF that's what happened. Considering her injuries and the fact that she lied about them, makes me wonder about her shooting at all.
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And WHY does it annoy you that these criticisms come up? Is it because alot of it is a little too close to what many predicted would happen once we got in there. We were assured there was a plan, an exit strategy, yet I see troops in country that should have been rotated out after heavy fighting now reduced to patrolling streets and getting shot after being told they would be leaving by Sept.

Should we just all shut the fuck up because we're not there as the men that were willing to take up arms to defend this country are being treated like shit or expendable tools?

I think not. I will speak out because it's my fucking right to speak out.
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According to Stars and Stripes eligibility requirements for the Bronze Star have been tightend since the Kosovo War. Apparantly the Air Force gave out 200 of them. They were even awarded to maintenence crews and STAFF OFFICERS AT THE PENTAGON THOUSANDS OF MILES FROM COMBAT!
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Here is a Colonel who was awarded the Bronze Star for teaching the Pakistani Army how to trap sand fleas and monitor rodents to reduce disease. :shock:
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Col. Crackpot wrote:Here is a Colonel who was awarded the Bronze Star for teaching the Pakistani Army how to trap sand fleas and monitor rodents to reduce disease. :shock:
If they start giving medals to anyone it will make it meaninless. :roll:
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Montcalm wrote:If they start giving medals to anyone it will make it meaninless. :roll:
true.... pentagon desk jockeys do not deserve the honor. However i don't think it is fair to question Pvt. Lynch's recieving the medal for action in combat where she was damn near killed and kept as a POW after it has been awarded to a Colonel who plays with flea shit for a living.
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Col. Crackpot wrote:
Montcalm wrote:If they start giving medals to anyone it will make it meaninless. :roll:
true.... pentagon desk jockeys do not deserve the honor. However i don't think it is fair to question Pvt. Lynch's recieving the medal for action in combat where she was damn near killed and kept as a POW after it has been awarded to a Colonel who plays with flea shit for a living.
Its ok for her she was in enemy territory,her and her unit should have maintained their weapons,but the the bugman thats stupid.
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Where did she lie about her injuries? At the time all those reports came out, she was being pieced back together by Army doctors. It's not her fault someone in the Pentagon or Administration or the hospital or maybe just some schmoe on the street exaggerated what happened to her while she was too badly injured to speak out.
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Stravo wrote:And WHY does it annoy you that these criticisms come up? Is it because alot of it is a little too close to what many predicted would happen once we got in there. We were assured there was a plan, an exit strategy, yet I see troops in country that should have been rotated out after heavy fighting now reduced to patrolling streets and getting shot after being told they would be leaving by Sept.

Should we just all shut the fuck up because we're not there as the men that were willing to take up arms to defend this country are being treated like shit or expendable tools?

I think not. I will speak out because it's my fucking right to speak out.
Just a side note Stravo. Much of what you have been saying: lack of an exit plan, troop rotation, treatment of the troops, etc i happen to agree with. My disagreement with your belief that Pvt. Lynch is undeserving of the Bronze Star is a seperate issue. Just wanted to clarify that.
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RedImperator wrote:Where did she lie about her injuries? At the time all those reports came out, she was being pieced back together by Army doctors. It's not her fault someone in the Pentagon or Administration or the hospital or maybe just some schmoe on the street exaggerated what happened to her while she was too badly injured to speak out.
I don't seem to recall any personal statements from her on her injuries, either. Basically, what we've heard about her injuries came from sources ranging from official to hearsay.
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RedImperator wrote:Where did she lie about her injuries? At the time all those reports came out, she was being pieced back together by Army doctors. It's not her fault someone in the Pentagon or Administration or the hospital or maybe just some schmoe on the street exaggerated what happened to her while she was too badly injured to speak out.
I don't seem to recall any personal statements from her on her injuries, either. Basically, what we've heard about her injuries came from sources ranging from official to hearsay.
I recall early reports on FOX that she stated that she had been stabbed in the leg and shot. Those reports quickly vanished when she arrived in Germany.
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Stravo wrote:And WHY does it annoy you that these criticisms come up? Is it because alot of it is a little too close to what many predicted would happen once we got in there. We were assured there was a plan, an exit strategy, yet I see troops in country that should have been rotated out after heavy fighting now reduced to patrolling streets and getting shot after being told they would be leaving by Sept.

Should we just all shut the fuck up because we're not there as the men that were willing to take up arms to defend this country are being treated like shit or expendable tools?

I think not. I will speak out because it's my fucking right to speak out.
Just a side note Stravo. Much of what you have been saying: lack of an exit plan, troop rotation, treatment of the troops, etc i happen to agree with. My disagreement with your belief that Pvt. Lynch is undeserving of the Bronze Star is a seperate issue. Just wanted to clarify that.
No probs Colonel. I don't expect people to readily agree with me on teh Bronze star issue at all. I guess I speak more out of frustration of seeing her ut in this spotlight when there were a dozen other POWs in her position who are getting squat airtime. I'm also reacting to initail news reports that painted her as this tough as nails girl that had to be shot and stabbed in order to finally become a prisoner then all those reports vanished into the night. I hate cover ups.
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Stravo wrote:I recall early reports on FOX that she stated that she had been stabbed in the leg and shot. Those reports quickly vanished when she arrived in Germany.
This is Fox we're talking about (sometimes called "Faux News," and for good reason). I don't recall any of those reports being repeated on any of the other news channels, so I'm going to default to the "two source" rule (if you haven't heard it from at least two sources, it's probably at LEAST exaggerated).
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Stravo wrote:I recall early reports on FOX that she stated that she had been stabbed in the leg and shot. Those reports quickly vanished when she arrived in Germany.
This is Fox we're talking about (sometimes called "Faux News," and for good reason). I don't recall any of those reports being repeated on any of the other news channels, so I'm going to default to the "two source" rule (if you haven't heard it from at least two sources, it's probably at LEAST exaggerated).
Granted, I was watching Fox with some sprinkling of CNN during the war. My apologies to her if this is wrong.
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Stravo wrote: I recall early reports on FOX that she stated that she had been stabbed in the leg and shot. Those reports quickly vanished when she arrived in Germany.
So that means SHE lied about it? This logic does not add up at all, in fact it would suggest if anything that once she arrived in Germany she put the story right if she said anything. What has been consistent however is that she has no memory of the battle, not surprising given that she was injured via her vehicle crashing into the back of a rather large truck at high speed. Now please point out a statement in which she stated she was shot or stabbed. Because I sure as hell haven't seen one.

It's a case a new service known for embellishment grabbing a rumor, nothing more. If you can blame anyone its the Army for not correcting the press quicker, I also don't recall any case of military spokesmen actually saying she had been shot or stabbed, just ramblings by reporters from "military sources"
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Stravo wrote:No probs Colonel. I don't expect people to readily agree with me on teh Bronze star issue at all. I guess I speak more out of frustration of seeing her ut in this spotlight when there were a dozen other POWs in her position who are getting squat airtime. I'm also reacting to initail news reports that painted her as this tough as nails girl that had to be shot and stabbed in order to finally become a prisoner then all those reports vanished into the night. I hate cover ups.
I'm sure many of the other POW'S from the 507th will be decorated in a similar manner, perhaps even moreso. The thing about Lynch is that she is the perfect 'poster girl' for the war. Young, attractice, FEMALE (see:PC). That is why she has become the golden one as far as the media is concerned. I do think though Stravo, you do need to seperate the question 'does she really deserve the bronze star?' from the question 'does she really deserve all the hype?'.
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Im with Stravo on this one, when I heard on the radio she got a bronze star I said "For what?" Purple Heart, no problem. POW medal, of course. Campaign ribbons, absolutely. But what did she do to earn a Bronze Star besides what was expected of her as a soldier.

Thousands of soldiers hit the beach under horrific conditions at D-day. Marines suffered intolerable conditions at Iwo Jima and they didnt get bronze stars.

I thought a bronze star is for something that goes above and beyond. Fighting back, or surviving and ambush does not qualify in my opinion. Its your job to fight and survive.
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TrailerParkJawa wrote:Im with Stravo on this one, when I heard on the radio she got a bronze star I said "For what?" Purple Heart, no problem. POW medal, of course. Campaign ribbons, absolutely. But what did she do to earn a Bronze Star besides what was expected of her as a soldier.

Thousands of soldiers hit the beach under horrific conditions at D-day. Marines suffered intolerable conditions at Iwo Jima and they didnt get bronze stars.

I thought a bronze star is for something that goes above and beyond. Fighting back, or surviving and ambush does not qualify in my opinion. Its your job to fight and survive.
did you even read this thread? did you read the criteria? regardless of what you THINK the Bronze Star is, there is a qualified set of criteria for it, and nowhere on there does it say "Go ask some guy from Freemont what he thinks" :roll:
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