Democraps caught on mike talking how to fuck budget!

[MKSheppard]

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... 309441.DTL

Demos caught in budget gaffe
Open mike picks up faction's talk of profiting from a crisis

Lynda Gledhill, Chronicle Sacramento Bureau
Tuesday, July 22, 2003

Sacramento -- The state's budget crisis took a surreal turn Monday after a frank discussion by a group of Democrats on the budget and its impact on their re- election was accidentally broadcast throughout legislative and reporters' offices.

Members of the Assembly Democrats' progressive caucus were heard making candid, if not intemperate, statements such as one by Los Angeles Assemblyman Fabian Nunez that they may want to "precipitate a crisis" over the budget this year. That might persuade voters to lower the two-thirds vote threshold needed to pass a spending plan, he reasoned.

"It seems to me if there's going to be a crisis, the crisis should be this year," Assemblywoman Jackie Goldberg, D-Los Angeles, said during the meeting. "What you do is you show people that you can't get to this without a 55 percent vote."

The unintentional broadcast was interrupted when someone informed the group that a microphone was on. "Oh s--," Goldberg said as the sound was cut.

Beyond its clutzy execution, the meeting suggested a split among Democrats in the Assembly over how best to confront the GOP's refusal to support any budget that contains a tax increase.

Goldberg said after the meeting that they were simply discussing issues and that the 10 members came to no agreement on how they would vote.

Assembly Speaker Herb Wesson, D-Los Angeles, downplayed the meeting, saying politics have not influenced his work on the budget. Wesson did not attend the caucus.

"We have stayed unified for the most part," he said of the Assembly Democrats. "I would hope that does not change."

QUICK RESPONSE FROM GOP

Republican staffers were quick to spread word, providing transcripts and instant rebuttals.

"Their intention is to destroy the state of California and its financial base," said Assembly Minority Leader Dave Cox of Fair Oaks. "They intend to hold up the budget."

The state is three weeks late in passing a budget to close a $38 billion deficit. Child care centers, trial courts and some highway construction projects are not receiving funds.

Legislators have been unable to reach agreement on how to pay for a bond to cover $10.7 billion of the shortfall. Democrats want to see a temporary half- cent sales tax increase, but the GOP has refused to consider any tax increase.

Senate leaders have been working on a plan that would not contain a sales tax but would cut another $1 billion in state spending. They hope to reach an agreement by either late this week or early next week.

In the meeting, Goldberg said making severe cuts now would be better for members who are facing competitive races next year.

"I think there's going to be a crisis, and the question is whether it should be this year or next year in terms of members of our house who want to get re-elected or in terms of members of our house who want to move to the Senate," she said. "Personally, I think the crisis is better off (happening) this year."

Assemblyman Tony Strickland, R-Moor Park (Ventura County), said the Democrats are putting "politics before people."

"They are willing to go on with crisis to try to lower the two-thirds threshold," he said.

INITIATIVE ALREADY CIRCULATING

The Service Employees International Union is leading a coalition that is circulating an initiative for the March 2004 ballot to lower the vote threshold from two-thirds to 55 percent. Business and anti-tax groups have already begun their opposition campaign.

California is one of only three states that require a two-thirds vote to approve a budget.

Goldberg said after the meeting that the purpose was to talk about what to do if the Senate sends the Assembly a budget plan that leaves the state with a huge deficit next year.

"We're on a death march to insolvency," she said. "We want to figure out how to let the people understand that we may be setting ourselves up for disaster."

Goldberg said she wants to see drastic cuts this year -- both to help save money for next year -- and to make people realize the condition the state is in.

One Democrat who was not in the meeting said he does not believe members of his party will be able to hold out for taxes the GOP clearly will not vote for.

"I just don't know that our folks ultimately will have the stomach for the kind of damage that kind of effort to shut things down will bring about," said Assemblyman Joe Canciamilla, D-Pittsburg.

DAVIS ATTACK ON GOP

The unintended broadcast also served to overshadow Gov. Gray Davis as he stepped up attacks on Republicans over the budget impasse Monday. Davis blamed them for creating a gridlock that is likely to delay payments of college grants for needy students.

The governor also attacked the Republican budget proposal, saying $600 million in cuts to the UC and CSU system would undermine years of effort to provide greater access to colleges for the poor.

"It's like taking a car that's moving comfortably down the highway and jamming it in reverse," Davis said during a conference call with reporters. "In addition to the policy reversals . . . their intransigence on the budget will almost certainly cause the state to miss first its CalGrant payment," due Aug. 1. On average, each of the 200,000 students in the program is supposed to receive $1,000.

The Assembly GOP plans to make more out of the issues raised in the meeting that went out of Capitol officer speaker boxes, planning a news conference for today to discuss it in more detail.

[Joe]

Methinks Governer Schwarzenegger needs to terminate these fuckers.

[Wicked Pilot]

I can see Bill Cosby's next show: Politicians say the darnest things.

[TrailerParkJawa]

Methinks Governer Schwarzenegger needs to terminate these fuckers.

He would not be able to do much, except maybe be popular. Although if he is truely a fiscal conservative he would get my vote. I held my nose when I voted for Davis instead of Simon.

The Republican party in this state keeps putting up candidates that simply wont win in California. Thats their fault.

Not passing the budget on time is normal here, whats different this year is the immense shortfall. Income taxes here are like 9% at the highest rate which really alot when you consider most counties have a sales tax of over 8%, then there is housing costs, etc. I think the California will be in the doldrums for quite a while after the rest of the country recovers.

[Howedar]

What an amusingly sensationalist title by Shep.

[MKSheppard]

What an amusingly sensationalist title by Shep.

It's the truth! Back door deliberations on how to best fuck the budget up
for your own political advantage!

I love the ender "Oh Sh-"

[Master of Ossus]

What an amusingly sensationalist title by Shep.

Actually, that article didn't say the half of it. While this was going on, Governor Davis went on attacking Republicans for "needlessly delaying the passage of a state budget."

[Andrew J.]

O'd like to think that this isn't typical behavior for politiciians-this is California, after all-but somehow I doubt it.

[RedImperator]

Hey, let's be honest here. If I'm a big honcho in the California Democratic party, I'm thinking the exact same strategy. Still, I'm tickled that it was the Democrats that embarassed themselves doing this, not the Republicans.

[MKSheppard]

I'm tickled pink that the local nutbar brigade from the left hasn't commented
on this, but are still too damn interested in bashing "Chimpy"

[Darth Wong]

This is nothing new for left-wingers. The school teachers in Ontario have been doing this for years. They deliberately create crises and problems in the classroom in order to convince parents that they're not being paid enough. My son's second-grade teacher has openly admitted to me that most of her fellow teachers create the parent/teacher hostility themselves, and worse yet, that she has been publicly insulted by fellow teachers for being "too friendly" with parents.

[FaxModem1]

politicans, you gotta love them

[Coyote]

Well, it is known that the Democrats, while screeching "Class Warfare" as a mantra, and claiming to stick up for "the poor" and "the little guy" are just as much a bunch of opportunistic backstabbing fucktards as the Republicans.

It is nice, however, to see it brought out and reminded to us all every so often.

Oh, wait, it is all the fault of a "vast right-wing conspiracy" with Black Helicopters. Nevermind.

[Stuart Mackey]

Stupid US politicians..they forgot the cardinal rule of politics..which doubles as the 11th commandment..Thou shalt not get caught.

This would never have happned in a Westminster government.

Budget fucking in the westminster system is always done behind closed doors with no microphones..This institution is called 'Cabinet'

[Companion Cube]

Ouch! I'd hate to be in their shoes...

[kojikun]

Budget fucking in the westminster system is always done behind closed doors with no microphones..This institution is called 'Cabinet'

I thought it was done in the parliamentary meeting rooms in front of a full
assembly by yelling across the room as loudly as possible while on
international television and webcast... Or is that just the lying, cheating, and
getting drunk?

[Sea Skimmer]

Methinks Governer Schwarzenegger needs to terminate these fuckers.

He wasn't won yet, though taking out some trash in the state capital via baseball bat would eliminate the need for him to run a campaign. On a related note, more then half the signatures needed for the recall have been verified.

[Illuminatus Primus]

Oh, wait, it is all the fault of a "vast right-wing conspiracy" with Black Helicopters. Nevermind.

*gags Coyote and presses a 9mm to his forehead* You were saying?

[Stuart Mackey]

Budget fucking in the westminster system is always done behind closed doors with no microphones..This institution is called 'Cabinet'

I thought it was done in the parliamentary meeting rooms in front of a full
assembly by yelling across the room as loudly as possible while on
international television and webcast... Or is that just the lying, cheating, and
getting drunk?

Oh no..only the lying cheating and getting drunk is done in full public veiw..that and sleeping in the chamber. But because the budget is a event of national importance fucking it over has to be done behind closed doors in a rational manner

[Hamel]

nutbar brigade from the left

REPORTING IN

[Coyote]

What an amusingly sensationalist title by Shep.

Of course, it is otherwise acceptable to call Republicn leaders things like "Asscroft" and the like, and use terms like "Baby Bush"; "Shrubby"; and so on, or comparing them to the Third Reich....

[Stravo]

I'm tickled pink that the local nutbar brigade from the left hasn't commented
on this, but are still too damn interested in bashing "Chimpy"

Better yet, only a few days ago we had a thread where they cried that a new reich was forming because the Republicans called for a chamber ot be cleared during a vote after Charles Rangel (my representative ) asked the Democrats to storm out in a huff. They were posting snippets of the Consitution that had been so blatantly violated and declaring how eeevvillll the Republicans were but i have not seen them stroming in here. Oh that's right, these are democrats.

VERY INTERESTING.