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Striderteen
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Just a couple of thoughts
Maybe this would fit in better in Other Sci-Fi since you're treating the ST novels as a sort of alternate universe.
It might also be easier for debating purposes to take specific aspects of a given novel and discuss their potential impact in a "What If?" scenario rather than tossing in entire novels. That might keep the confusion and inconsistency to a minimum. It would also make it easier for anyone who's interested in the debate to quantify the changes.
-- Joe Momma
It might also be easier for debating purposes to take specific aspects of a given novel and discuss their potential impact in a "What If?" scenario rather than tossing in entire novels. That might keep the confusion and inconsistency to a minimum. It would also make it easier for anyone who's interested in the debate to quantify the changes.
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Actually, I have a structure in mind for the project. However, I wasn't expecting to have to have it ready yet. (I was expecting more like "What do you have in mind?" and "Depends how you want to do it", etc, not a proverbal avalanche of issues so quickly)
I shall post it before Friday. Depends on if I can get it done before then. My girlfriend takes priority over online hobbies.
I shall post it before Friday. Depends on if I can get it done before then. My girlfriend takes priority over online hobbies.
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Colonel Olrik
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Ghost Rider
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I'm giving it a couple more days since the original poster did say this would be a slant on the versus enviroment.
If not...off to PST it'll go.
If not...off to PST it'll go.
MM /CF/WG/BOTM/JL/Original Warsie/ACPATHNTDWATGODW FOREVER!!
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Saying and doing are chocolate and concrete
Sometimes we can choose the path we follow. Sometimes our choices are made for us. And sometimes we have no choice at all
Saying and doing are chocolate and concrete
The slant is building up a Trek universe using the novels that could be put into continuality, and new technologies from the books that could be explained in terms of Trek, etc. As each book is looked at, it would be added to the universe and discussed in both a pure Trek enviroment, as well as the versus environment
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Ghost Rider
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Yes, but the only it's staying here for a little bit longer is that your opening statement...aside from that, no real reason.
No one has taken it up, and nothing has been done...thus it's looking more and more like that it will be an informative thread about ST novels.
No one has taken it up, and nothing has been done...thus it's looking more and more like that it will be an informative thread about ST novels.
MM /CF/WG/BOTM/JL/Original Warsie/ACPATHNTDWATGODW FOREVER!!
Sometimes we can choose the path we follow. Sometimes our choices are made for us. And sometimes we have no choice at all
Saying and doing are chocolate and concrete
Sometimes we can choose the path we follow. Sometimes our choices are made for us. And sometimes we have no choice at all
Saying and doing are chocolate and concrete
This is very problematic--the transporter on continuous beam would destroy everything that goes into it, because nothing can be put whole into the beam simultaneously. A person walking into the beam would be shredded atomic cross-section by cross-section and come out as mincemeat (or atoms) on the other side.Solauren wrote:Transporter Revelations
If the transporter is on a continuous beam, anything matter sent into it is beamed, even if it is part of a larger object. For example:
A kreel fell into the transporter beam. Only it’s head and shoulders were in the beam. The transporter beams just the head and shoulders, killing the Kreel
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Colonel Olrik
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That's probably what happened. The head was not desintegrated all at once, but continuously as it intercepted the beam. To an outside viewer, though, it seemed that the entire head had disappeared after touching the transporter beam.JodoForce wrote: This is very problematic--the transporter on continuous beam would destroy everything that goes into it, because nothing can be put whole into the beam simultaneously. A person walking into the beam would be shredded atomic cross-section by cross-section and come out as mincemeat (or atoms) on the other side.
Which, brings up a possible anti-boarding device for the Federation to use against the Empire.
Inspired by 'Star Trek The Next Generation, Book 5, Strike Zone'
Replace Forcefields with low surface area transporters with the beam in the shape of a forcefield. Proximity activated.
Stormtrooper steps into it's field of view, and beam off a chunk.
Better tactic
Make it mobile, like an exacomp (examples of transporters that small have been hinted at) and have them bean out chunks of the stormtrooper.
Feasible
Possible
Replace shields with transporter fields to beam incoming weapons fire off. Say back at the acting imperial ship
Feasibliy depends on the nature of the technology. Which requires more power, shields or the transporter
Inspired by 'Star Trek The Next Generation, Book 5, Strike Zone'
Replace Forcefields with low surface area transporters with the beam in the shape of a forcefield. Proximity activated.
Stormtrooper steps into it's field of view, and beam off a chunk.
Better tactic
Make it mobile, like an exacomp (examples of transporters that small have been hinted at) and have them bean out chunks of the stormtrooper.
Feasible
Possible
Replace shields with transporter fields to beam incoming weapons fire off. Say back at the acting imperial ship
Feasibliy depends on the nature of the technology. Which requires more power, shields or the transporter
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Darth Fanboy
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So what you're syaing is that Federation transporters can now beam incoming fire back at their opponent? you come up with more hypothetical situations than my six year old little brother.
#1- where the hell are the generating this sort of power, maybe they are rerouting the same energy that makes bridge terminals explode?
#2- your low surface transporter Idea? Retarded, much cheaper and more efficient to use a FUCKING LAND MINE
#3- Make it mobile? Like those ridiculous Houdini mines the Dominion was using? there are plenty of people around here including myself htatcan tell you how ridiculous that is. Also, transporters that small such as the ones depicted in Nemesis only have enough power for one personto beam, so it would a very expensive one shot unit and would required more materials than other, more feasible methods.
#4- more feasible would be to replace Federation shielding with large extendable white flags.
#5- Stormtropers come in waves, with large amoutns of weaponry, just because you give one an ornate death doesn't mean the tactic is effective or intelligent.
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#7- If you get to utilize alternate universe Star Trek fantasies for the debate then here is mine. THe EMpire magically reverse enginners a replicator. And then builds dozens of huge ones that replicate Star Destroyers and Death Stars one Planet Killing Sector Fleet at a time.
Vaya Con Fucking Dios!
#1- where the hell are the generating this sort of power, maybe they are rerouting the same energy that makes bridge terminals explode?
#2- your low surface transporter Idea? Retarded, much cheaper and more efficient to use a FUCKING LAND MINE
#3- Make it mobile? Like those ridiculous Houdini mines the Dominion was using? there are plenty of people around here including myself htatcan tell you how ridiculous that is. Also, transporters that small such as the ones depicted in Nemesis only have enough power for one personto beam, so it would a very expensive one shot unit and would required more materials than other, more feasible methods.
#4- more feasible would be to replace Federation shielding with large extendable white flags.
#5- Stormtropers come in waves, with large amoutns of weaponry, just because you give one an ornate death doesn't mean the tactic is effective or intelligent.
#6-
Who gives a fuck? Am I or anyone else supposed to be impressed? Im sure your Junior teen dance over at the local Y will go well, with adults letting you stay up until 10:30 drinking Mountain dew the whole time, get along Cassanova.I shall post it before Friday. Depends on if I can get it done before then. My girlfriend takes priority over online hobbies.
#7- If you get to utilize alternate universe Star Trek fantasies for the debate then here is mine. THe EMpire magically reverse enginners a replicator. And then builds dozens of huge ones that replicate Star Destroyers and Death Stars one Planet Killing Sector Fleet at a time.
Vaya Con Fucking Dios!
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All the iterations of this have the same problem -- any opponent exposed to this could just as easily be killed by other, more reliable means. This is especially problematic with transporters, given how vulnerable they've been demonstrated to be to environmental factors.Solauren wrote:Which, brings up a possible anti-boarding device for the Federation to use against the Empire.
Replace Forcefields with low surface area transporters with the beam in the shape of a forcefield. Proximity activated.
Stormtrooper steps into it's field of view, and beam off a chunk.
Other non-technical problems:
1) This might be a little too harsh for Federation sensibilities, though I'm not sure if you're factoring those kinds of concerns in at this stage.
2) If you've got troops in range of a transporter, why not simply transport them and hold them in a pattern buffer ala Scotty in "Relics" until you can safely disarm and interrogate them? This also has the time-tested advantage of giving surrendering enemy troops in a tight spot some empetus to surrender since the Feds can demonstrate they treat enemy soldiers mercifully. This probably won't work for all troops (the SW Stormtroopers seem pretty hard-assed in that regard) and might be seen contemptuously by some of the Imperial higher-ups, but the line troops might take it into consideration.
3) I still don't think this would make any practical difference in an STvSW fight. They lose a few stormtroopers in an ugly way? Who cares? With the sheer mass of men and materiel available, that's like coming up with tactics to stomp fleas while a herd of elephants is bearing down on you.
Stormtrooper Officer: "They're mangling the men, sir."
Imperial Officer: "Fuck 'em, then. We'll just blow up the ship. Power up a light turbolaser."
BTW, I don't mean the latter to discourage you from developing some of the ideas in the novels as an intellectual exercise. In fact, I'd suggest you do that first and try to build a coherent alternate ST universe and then apply it to any versus debates.
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Striderteen
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The Federation might be shooting itself in the proverbial foot with transporter warfare -- it would be pretty ineffective compared to conventional weapons systems, and accounts of Federation "atrocities" would give the Emperor's forces a good way to justify the construction and deployment of more superweapons.
First, my replies to my transporter idea
Darth FanBoy
First, don’t confuse my age with your social IQ. It’s easy to tell the difference. Your Social IQ is 1/3th my age, and is the number with only 1 digit.
Now then, back on topic…
Beaming incoming fire back at an opponent: Depends. Energy discharges, probably not. We’ve never seen the effect a transporter beam has on an ‘beam’ weapon like a Phaser, Disruptor, and possibly Turbolasers They probably could transport warheads and missiles and the like (i.e Proton Torpedoes), and if Turbolasers are largely plasma-based (depends on who you ask if they are or not. Personally, I don’t think they are, but hey, if they are plasma-based), then probably. If Turbolasers are not plasma –or some other form of matter- then it would be a useless defense.
Are there any canon Star Trek examples of a Phaser beam being stopped by a transporter? Or other energy weapons? My proof of moving matter like a torpedo is the ‘sniper rifle’ from DS9 that shot a bullet that was then ‘beamed’ close to the target. Little transporter for little bullet, big transporter for incoming warheads.
Power Generation: Unknown. We have no idea what kind of power requirements are needed for a Star Trek transporter. It could be several dozen megawatts, it could be 2 monkeys on treadmills. If power requirements are LOW, then it’s feasible.
Is there a canon statement of power-requirements for the transporter? Lacking any either way, it’s a possiblity. If power-requirements for that are shown to be too high, yeah, chuck the idea. You’d be better off adding another shield if the power requirements are too high.
Land Mines: I agree with you, Land minds would be more feasible. However, can you really see Starfleet putting land minds on ships? This might be less practical, but then again, so are warp cores that are as problematic as easily as Enterprise-D’s have been shown to be. This solution might be unrealistic, but it’s –IN-UNIVERSE- style. Right up there with ‘Transphasic Torpedoes’ and ‘Ablative Armor Generators’. Unrealistic, but they decided to do it anyawy.
Mobility: I wasn’t referring to the ‘houdini mines’. I was thinking of the Subspace Rebound Transition transporters from ‘The High ground’ (I think that is the episodes name. The one with the terrorists that kidnapped Crusher). Miniaturization.
Again, we really don’t know much about the power and spec requirements for a transporter. For all we know, the transporter Lore used in ‘brothers’ was built into him, or it was a ‘press here to beam back to ship’ button. Same with Lursa and Betor’s escape transporter in Redemption. Come to think of it, didn’t Wesley Crusher’s little practice shuttle have an escape transporter (the one where he and his cadet-buddies where in an accident they decided to try and cover up)
Feasiblity/White Flags: Unless the power – requirements are comparable too, less then, or the same as a normal shield system, I agree. But when I run a military, surrender is not an option. I don’t white flag until I don’t think I can win. Then I order an all out suicide attack and quietly change my name and appearance and move to the bahama’s on tons of stolen money. Either that, or contact the enemy and find out how much they’ll pay me while I have my stuff sent to the bahama’s….
Stormtrooper waves: If I took a few with me, I’m happy. Personally, if I could, I’d just fill the corridors with warp drive coolant and some kind of gas or liquid that would break down stormtrooper armor, but that would be cruel. Trying to stay within what Starfleet might consider humanitarian.
‘Impressed’: That was for the moderators and to explain to people why I haven’t posted it to prevent the ‘where’s your proof/concept’ info. I’ve seen people get jumped on for that over ideas and concepts.
Rebuttal to your ‘alternate universe vs Magic Reverse Engineer of a Replicator’: The Empire has them already dumb-ass. They are called Imperial Duplicators and World Devastators. Build a big-ass World Devastator and watch the mayhem ensue. Why reverse engineer a technology they have a better version of.
Joe Mamma:
I agree, lots of techy problems and more feasible means. However, this is Starfleet. Since when do they do feasible?
Too Harsh: I’m sadistic to the level of Tarkin. You won’t co-operate with me? Fine. Commander, drop 100 Claymore mines, 40 pounds of C-4, 20 of claymore mines, into a shopping mall, and make my guest watch the resulting pain and suffering. If they still don’t co-operate, get ready to drop them into schools.
Capture: The transporter buffer PROBABLY has limited capacity for that. You might get a few. I just want them dead.
I also figure there gonna kill me anyway, so I might as well take a few with me. At least the Light-Turbolaser is quicker then an interagation droid. Something about being tortured to death by someone using a motherly sounding voice is a little un-nerving. I wish I had thought of that first actually…
Striderteen:
Since when does the Empire need a reason to build Superweapons?
I’m also thinking more of a transporter ‘force field’ (visually only). Normal force-fields, the empire probably knows how to deal with. I’m hoping a transporter weapon that looks like a Force-field would catch them off guard a few times.
As for conventional weapon. Show me a Federation starship with good anti-intruder defenses, and I’ll show you one that isn’t canon. It will be the same ship.
To All
Okay, let me change the term slightly. Crew ‘weapon’ or ‘defense’. More like ‘trap’. Go near it, it transports off part of you, or out part of you. I.e your head, heart. Or beams a grenade into your stomach on a 1 second delay fuse…. Sure, that would only slow stormtroopers down, but still, your are taking a few with you.
Or better yet
In the same novel, they had a problem with Klingons and another violent race trying to kill each other on the ship. They solved the problems by using the internal sensors to locate them all, and then beam all of the Klingons and the Kreel (the other race), (but Worf id’s by his com badge) onto a transporter bad. Since the Klingons and Kreel lacked weapons, and where now surrounded by Worf and a lot of security officers with phasers….
Why not take it one step further and just beam stormtroopers, minus weapons, into space beside the ship.
They could even defend against the ‘attrocities charge’ with: What, they are wearing sealed armor without build in lifesupport in case of loss of atmosphere? Opps.
Darth FanBoy
First, don’t confuse my age with your social IQ. It’s easy to tell the difference. Your Social IQ is 1/3th my age, and is the number with only 1 digit.
Now then, back on topic…
Beaming incoming fire back at an opponent: Depends. Energy discharges, probably not. We’ve never seen the effect a transporter beam has on an ‘beam’ weapon like a Phaser, Disruptor, and possibly Turbolasers They probably could transport warheads and missiles and the like (i.e Proton Torpedoes), and if Turbolasers are largely plasma-based (depends on who you ask if they are or not. Personally, I don’t think they are, but hey, if they are plasma-based), then probably. If Turbolasers are not plasma –or some other form of matter- then it would be a useless defense.
Are there any canon Star Trek examples of a Phaser beam being stopped by a transporter? Or other energy weapons? My proof of moving matter like a torpedo is the ‘sniper rifle’ from DS9 that shot a bullet that was then ‘beamed’ close to the target. Little transporter for little bullet, big transporter for incoming warheads.
Power Generation: Unknown. We have no idea what kind of power requirements are needed for a Star Trek transporter. It could be several dozen megawatts, it could be 2 monkeys on treadmills. If power requirements are LOW, then it’s feasible.
Is there a canon statement of power-requirements for the transporter? Lacking any either way, it’s a possiblity. If power-requirements for that are shown to be too high, yeah, chuck the idea. You’d be better off adding another shield if the power requirements are too high.
Land Mines: I agree with you, Land minds would be more feasible. However, can you really see Starfleet putting land minds on ships? This might be less practical, but then again, so are warp cores that are as problematic as easily as Enterprise-D’s have been shown to be. This solution might be unrealistic, but it’s –IN-UNIVERSE- style. Right up there with ‘Transphasic Torpedoes’ and ‘Ablative Armor Generators’. Unrealistic, but they decided to do it anyawy.
Mobility: I wasn’t referring to the ‘houdini mines’. I was thinking of the Subspace Rebound Transition transporters from ‘The High ground’ (I think that is the episodes name. The one with the terrorists that kidnapped Crusher). Miniaturization.
Again, we really don’t know much about the power and spec requirements for a transporter. For all we know, the transporter Lore used in ‘brothers’ was built into him, or it was a ‘press here to beam back to ship’ button. Same with Lursa and Betor’s escape transporter in Redemption. Come to think of it, didn’t Wesley Crusher’s little practice shuttle have an escape transporter (the one where he and his cadet-buddies where in an accident they decided to try and cover up)
Feasiblity/White Flags: Unless the power – requirements are comparable too, less then, or the same as a normal shield system, I agree. But when I run a military, surrender is not an option. I don’t white flag until I don’t think I can win. Then I order an all out suicide attack and quietly change my name and appearance and move to the bahama’s on tons of stolen money. Either that, or contact the enemy and find out how much they’ll pay me while I have my stuff sent to the bahama’s….
Stormtrooper waves: If I took a few with me, I’m happy. Personally, if I could, I’d just fill the corridors with warp drive coolant and some kind of gas or liquid that would break down stormtrooper armor, but that would be cruel. Trying to stay within what Starfleet might consider humanitarian.
‘Impressed’: That was for the moderators and to explain to people why I haven’t posted it to prevent the ‘where’s your proof/concept’ info. I’ve seen people get jumped on for that over ideas and concepts.
Rebuttal to your ‘alternate universe vs Magic Reverse Engineer of a Replicator’: The Empire has them already dumb-ass. They are called Imperial Duplicators and World Devastators. Build a big-ass World Devastator and watch the mayhem ensue. Why reverse engineer a technology they have a better version of.
Joe Mamma:
I agree, lots of techy problems and more feasible means. However, this is Starfleet. Since when do they do feasible?
Too Harsh: I’m sadistic to the level of Tarkin. You won’t co-operate with me? Fine. Commander, drop 100 Claymore mines, 40 pounds of C-4, 20 of claymore mines, into a shopping mall, and make my guest watch the resulting pain and suffering. If they still don’t co-operate, get ready to drop them into schools.
Capture: The transporter buffer PROBABLY has limited capacity for that. You might get a few. I just want them dead.
I also figure there gonna kill me anyway, so I might as well take a few with me. At least the Light-Turbolaser is quicker then an interagation droid. Something about being tortured to death by someone using a motherly sounding voice is a little un-nerving. I wish I had thought of that first actually…
Striderteen:
Since when does the Empire need a reason to build Superweapons?
I’m also thinking more of a transporter ‘force field’ (visually only). Normal force-fields, the empire probably knows how to deal with. I’m hoping a transporter weapon that looks like a Force-field would catch them off guard a few times.
As for conventional weapon. Show me a Federation starship with good anti-intruder defenses, and I’ll show you one that isn’t canon. It will be the same ship.
To All
Okay, let me change the term slightly. Crew ‘weapon’ or ‘defense’. More like ‘trap’. Go near it, it transports off part of you, or out part of you. I.e your head, heart. Or beams a grenade into your stomach on a 1 second delay fuse…. Sure, that would only slow stormtroopers down, but still, your are taking a few with you.
Or better yet
In the same novel, they had a problem with Klingons and another violent race trying to kill each other on the ship. They solved the problems by using the internal sensors to locate them all, and then beam all of the Klingons and the Kreel (the other race), (but Worf id’s by his com badge) onto a transporter bad. Since the Klingons and Kreel lacked weapons, and where now surrounded by Worf and a lot of security officers with phasers….
Why not take it one step further and just beam stormtroopers, minus weapons, into space beside the ship.
They could even defend against the ‘attrocities charge’ with: What, they are wearing sealed armor without build in lifesupport in case of loss of atmosphere? Opps.
Now then, back to my idea.
I obtained a list of *all* the Star Trek material ever published. As in all the guy knows about. Considering it was in chronological book order by publication, and it's size, if there is anything missing, I'd admit to it.
Anyway....
Here is the list of material I have in mind for this project.
Be warned, there are over 490 items to this list. Most of them novels.
Star Trek 01
Mission To Horatius
Star Trek 02
Star Trek 03
Spock Must Die!
Star Trek 04
Star Trek 05
Star Trek 06
Star Trek 07
Star Trek 08
Star Trek 09
Star Trek 10
Star Trek: Log 01
Star Trek: Log 02
Passage To Moauv
Star Trek 11
Star Trek: Log 03
Star Trek: Log 04
Star Trek: Log 06
The Crier In Emptiness
A Mirror For Futility/The Time Stealer
Spock, Messiah!
Star Trek: Log 06
Star Trek: Log 07
Star Trek: Log 08
Star Trek: The Enterprise Logs Vol 1
Star Trek: The Enterprise Logs Vol 2
Star Trek: The New Voyages
The Star Trek Reader I
Giant In The Universe
Planet Of Judgment
Star Trek 12
Star Trek: Log 09
Star Trek: The Enterprise Logs Vol 3
Star Trek: The Enterprise Logs Vol 4
The Price Of The Phoenix
The Prisoner Of Vega
The Star Trek Reader Ii
The Star Trek Reader Iii
The Truth Machine
Trillions Of Trilligs
Mudd's Angels
Star Trek: Log 10
Star Trek; The New Voyages 2 - The Camelot Connection
The Star Trek Reader Iv
The Starless World
Vulcan!
Devil World
Star Trek 01 Star Trek – The Motion Picture
The Fate Of The Phoenix
Trek To Madworld
World Without End
Perry's Planet
The Galactic Whirlpool
Death's Angel
Star Trek 02 The Entropy Effect
Star Trek 03 The Klingon Gambit
Star Trek 04 The Covenant Of The Crown
Star Trek 05 The Prometheus Design
Star Trek 06 The Abode Of Life
Star Trek 07; Star Trek Ii: The Wrath Of Khan
Star Trek: Ii Short Stories
Star Trek 08 Black Fire
Star Trek 09 Triangle
Star Trek 10 Web Of The Romulans
Star Trek 11 Yesterday's Son
Star Trek 12 Mutiny On The Enterprise
Star Trek 13 The Wounded Sky
Star Trek 14 The Trellisane Confrontation
Star Trek 15 Corona
Star Trek 16 The Final Reflection
Star Trek 17; Star Trek Iii: The Search For Spock
Star Trek 18 My Enemy, My Ally
Star Trek 19 The Tears Of The Singers
Star Trek 20 The Vulcan Academy Murders
Star Trek: Iii Short Stories
Star Trek 21 Uhura's Song
Star Trek 23 Ishmael
Star Trek 24 Killing Time
Star Trek 25 Dwellers In The Crucible
Star Trek 26 Pawns And Symbols
Star Trek 27 Mindshadow
Star Trek 28 Crisis On Centaurus
Star Trek 29 Dreadnought!
Star Trek 30 Demons
Star Trek 31 Battlestations!
Star Trek Iv: The Voyage Home
Star Trek: Enterprise: The First Adventure
Star Trek 32 Chain Of Attack
Star Trek 33 Deep Domain
Star Trek 34 Dreams Of The Raven
Star Trek 35 The Romulan Way
Star Trek 36 How Much For Just The Planet?
Star Trek 37 Bloodthirst
Star Trek: Strangers From The Sky
Star Trek; Tng: Encounter At Farpoint
Star Trek 38 The Idic Epidemic
Star Trek 39 Time For Yesterday
Star Trek 40 Timetrap
Star Trek 41 The Three-Minute Universe
Star Trek 42 Memory Prime
Star Trek 43 The Final Nexus
Star Trek: Final Frontier
Star Trek: Spock's World
Star Trek; Tng: 01 Ghost Ship
Star Trek; Tng: 02 The Peacekeepers
Star Trek; Tng: 03 The Children Of Hamlin
Star Trek 44 Vulcan's Glory
Star Trek 45 Double, Double
Star Trek 46 The Cry Of The Onlies
Star Trek 47 The Kobayashi Maru
Star Trek The Lost Years
Star Trek V: The Final Frontier
Star Trek; Tng: 04 Survivors
Star Trek; Tng: 05 Strike Zone
Star Trek; Tng: 06 Power Hungry
Star Trek; Tng: 07 Masks
Star Trek; Tng: 08 The Captain's Honor
Star Trek; Tng: 09 A Call To Darkness
Star Trek 48 Rules Of Engagement
Star Trek 49 The Pandora Principle
Star Trek 50 Doctor's Orders
Star Trek 51 Unseen Enemy
Star Trek 52 Home Is The Hunter
Star Trek: Prime Directive
Star Trek; Tng: 10 A Rock And A Hard Place
Star Trek; Tng: 11 Gulliver's Fugitives
Star Trek; Tng: 12 Doomsday World
Star Trek; Tng: 13 The Eyes Of The Beholders
Star Trek; Tng: 14 Exiles
Star Trek; Tng: Metamorphosis
Star Trek 53 Ghost-Walker
Star Trek 54 A Flag Full Of Stars
Star Trek 55 Renegade
Star Trek 56 Legacy
Star Trek 57 The Rift
Star Trek; The Classic Episodes Vol 1
Star Trek; The Classic Episodes Vol 2
Star Trek; The Classic Episodes Vol 3
Star Trek; The Mirror Universe Saga
Star Trek; Tng: 15 Fortune's Light
Star Trek; Tng: 16 Contamination
Star Trek; Tng: 17 Boogeymen
Star Trek; Tng: 18 Q-In-Law
Star Trek; Tng: 19 Perchance To Dream
Star Trek; Tng: Reunion
Star Trek; Tng: Unification
Star Trek; Tng: Vendetta
Star Trek 58 Faces Of Fire
Star Trek 59 The Disinherited
Star Trek 60 Ice Trap
Star Trek 61 Sanctuary
Star Trek 62 Death Count
Star Trek Probe
Star Trek: Best Destiny
Star Trek: Debt Of Honor
Star Trek: Vi: The Undiscovered Country
Star Trek; Tng: 20 Spartacus
Star Trek; Tng: 21 Chains Of Command
Star Trek; Tng: 22 Imbalance
Star Trek; Tng: 23 War Drums
Star Trek; Tng: 24 Nightshade
Star Trek; Tng: Imzadi
Star Trek; Tng: Relics
Star Trek - DS9: 02 The Siege
Star Trek - DS9: 03 Bloodletter
Star Trek - DS9: 04 The Big Game
Star Trek - DS9: Emissary
Star Trek 63 Shell Game
Star Trek 64 The Starship Trap
Star Trek 65 Windows On A Lost World
Star Trek 66 From The Depths
Star Trek 67 The Great Starship Race
Star Trek: Shadows On The Sun
Star Trek; The Next Generation: The Star Lost
Star Trek; Tng: 25 Grounded
Star Trek; Tng: 26 The Romulan Prize
Star Trek; Tng: 27 Guises Of The Mind
Star Trek; Tng: 28 Here There Be Dragons
Star Trek; Tng: Dark Mirror
Star Trek; Tng: Descent
Star Trek; Tng: Line Of Fire
Star Trek; Tng: Survival
Star Trek; Tng: The Devil's Heart
Star Trek; Tng: Worf's First Adventure
Star Trek; Who Killed Captain Kirk?
Star Trek - DS9: 05 Fallen Heroes
Star Trek - DS9: 06 Betrayal
Star Trek - DS9: 07 Warchild
Star Trek - DS9: 08 Antimatter
Star Trek - DS9: Prisoners Of Peace
Star Trek - DS9: Stowaways
Star Trek - DS9: The Pet
Star Trek - DS9: The Search
Star Trek - DS9: The Star Ghost
Star Trek 68 Firestorm
Star Trek 69 The Patrian Transgression
Star Trek 70 Traitor Winds
Star Trek 71 Crossroad
Star Trek 72 The Better Man
Star Trek: Federation
Star Trek: Sarek
Star Trek; Tests Of Courage
Star Trek; Tng: 29 Sins Of Commission
Star Trek; Tng: 30 Debtor's Planet
Star Trek; Tng: 31 Foreign Foes
Star Trek; Tng: 32 Requiem
Star Trek; Tng: All Good Things...
Star Trek; Tng: Atlantis Station
Star Trek; Tng: Capture The Flag
Star Trek; Tng: Contamination
Star Trek; Tng: Masks
Star Trek; Tng: Q-In-Law
Star Trek; Tng: Q-Squared
Star Trek; Tng: Spartacus
Star Trek; Tng: Star Trek; Generations
Star Trek; Tng: War Drums
Star Trek - DS9: 09 Proud Helios
Star Trek - DS9: 10 Valhalla
Star Trek - DS9: 11 Devil In The Sky
Star Trek - DS9: 12 The Laertian Gamble
Star Trek - DS9: 13 Station Ragem
Star Trek - DS9: Arcade
Star Trek - DS9: Field Trip
Star Trek - DS9: The Way Of The Warrior
Star Trek - DS9: Warped
Star Trek 73 Recovery
Star Trek 74 The Fearful Summons
Star Trek 75 First Frontier
Star Trek 76 The Captain's Daughter
Star Trek The Ashes Of Eden
Star Trek; Tng: 33 Balance Of Power
Star Trek; Tng: 34 Blaze Of Glory
Star Trek; Tng: 35 The Romulan Stratagem
Star Trek; Tng: 36 Into The Nebula
Star Trek; Tng: 37 The Last Stand
Star Trek; Tng: Beginnings
Star Trek; Tng: Crossover
Star Trek; Tng: Nova Command
Star Trek; Tng: Secret Of The Lizard People
Star Trek; Tng: Star Trek; Generations
Star Trek; Tng: Starfall
Star Trek; Tng: Starfleet Academy 06 Mystery Of The Missing Crew
Star Trek; Voyager: 01 Caretaker
Star Trek; Voyager: 02 The Escape
Star Trek; Voyager: 03 Ragnarok
Star Trek; Voyager: 04 Violations
Star Trek; Voyager: 05 Incident At Arbuk
Star Trek - DS9: 14 The Long Night
Star Trek - DS9: 15 Objective: Bajor
Star Trek - DS9: 16 Time's Enemy
Star Trek - DS9: 17 Heart Of The Warrior
Star Trek - DS9: 18 Saratoga
Star Trek - DS9: Betrayal
Star Trek - DS9: Bloodletter
Star Trek - DS9: Emissary
Star Trek - DS9: Gypsy World
Star Trek - DS9: Highest Score
Star Trek - DS9: The Big Game
Star Trek - DS9: The Siege
Star Trek - DS9: Trials And Tribble-Ations
Star Trek 77 Twilight's End
Star Trek 78 The Rings Of Tautee
Star Trek 79; First Strike
Star Trek 80 The Joy Machine
Star Trek Aftershock
Star Trek Cadet Kirk
Star Trek Crisis On Vulcan
Star Trek The Return
Star Trek; Tng: 38 Dragon's Honor
Star Trek; Tng: 39 Rogue Saucer
Star Trek; Tng: 40 Possession
Star Trek; Tng: 41 The Soldiers Of Fear
Star Trek; Tng: 42 Infiltrator
Star Trek; Tng: 43 A Fury Scorned
Star Trek; Tng: Crossfire
Star Trek; Tng: Kahless
Star Trek; Tng: Klingon
Star Trek; Tng: Loyalties
Star Trek; Tng: Star Trek; First Contact
Star Trek; Tng: Star Trek; First Contact: Breaking The Barrier
Star Trek; Tng: Star Trek; First Contact: The Borg
Star Trek; Voyager: 06 The Murdered Sun
Star Trek; Voyager: 07 Ghost Of A Chance
Star Trek; Voyager: 08 Cybersong
Star Trek; Voyager: 09 The Final Fury
Star Trek; Voyager: 10 Bless The Beasts
Star Trek; Voyager: Flashback
Star Trek; Voyager: Mosaic
Star Trek - DS9: 19 The Tempest
Star Trek - DS9: 20 Wrath Of The Prophets
Star Trek - DS9: 21 Trial By Error
Star Trek - DS9: Armageddon Sky
Star Trek - DS9: Cardassian Imps
Star Trek - DS9: Space Camp
Star Trek - DS9: Yan 11 Day Of Honor: Honor Bound
Star Trek 81 Mudd In Your Eye
Star Trek 82 Mind Meld
Star Trek 83 Heart Of The Sun
Star Trek Avenger
Star Trek Treaty's Law
Star Trek: Starfleet Academy
Star Trek: Vulcan's Forge
Star Trek; New Frontier: 01 House Of Cards
Star Trek; New Frontier: 02 Into The Void
Star Trek; New Frontier: 03 The Two-Front War
Star Trek; New Frontier: 04 End Game
Star Trek; Tng: : Ancient Blood
Star Trek; Tng: 44 The Death Of Princes
Star Trek; Tng: 45 Intellivore
Star Trek; Tng: 46 To Storm Heaven
Star Trek; Tng: Breakaway
Star Trek; Tng: Ship Of The Line
Star Trek; Tng: The Haunted Starship
Star Trek; Voyager: 11 The Garden
Star Trek; Voyager: 12 Chrysalis
Star Trek; Voyager: 13 The Black Shore
Star Trek; Voyager: 14 Marooned
Star Trek; Voyager: Day Of Honor
Star Trek; Voyager: Her Klingon Soul
Star Trek; Voyager: Lifeline
Star Trek; Voyager: Quarantine
Star Trek; Voyager: The Chance Factor
Star Trek - DS9: 22 Vengeance
Star Trek - DS9: Call To Arms.…
Star Trek - DS9: Far Beyond The Stars
Star Trek - DS9: Sacrifice Of Angels
Star Trek - DS9: The Mist
Star Trek - DS9: Trapped In Time
Star Trek 84 Assignment: Eternity
Star Trek Odyssey
Star Trek Spectre
Star Trek War Dragons
Star Trek Where Sea Meets Sky
Star Trek; New Frontier: 05 Martyr
Star Trek; New Frontier: 06 Fire On High
Star Trek; New Frontier: New Frontier
Star Trek; New Frontier: Once Burned
Star Trek; New Frontier: Prometheans
Star Trek; Tng: : Behind Enemy Lines
Star Trek; Tng: : Dujonian's Hoard
Star Trek; Tng: : Tunnel Through The Stars
Star Trek; Tng: 47 Q-Space
Star Trek; Tng: 48 Q-Zone
Star Trek; Tng: 49 Q-Strike
Star Trek; Tng: Deceptions
Star Trek; Tng: Imzadi Ii: Triangle
Star Trek; Tng: Planet X
Star Trek; Tng: Star Trek; Insurrection
Star Trek; Tng: Star Trek; Insurrection
Star Trek; Tng: The Best And The Brightest
Star Trek; Voyager: 15 Echoesm
Star Trek; Voyager: 16 Seven Of Nine
Star Trek; Voyager: Fire Ship
Star Trek; Voyager: Pathways
Star Trek - DS9: 23 The 34th Rule
Star Trek - DS9: 24 The Conquered
Star Trek - DS9: 25 The Courageous
Star Trek - DS9: 26 The Liberated
Star Trek - DS9: The Lives Of Dax
Star Trek - DS9: What You Leave Behind
Star Trek 85 Republic
Star Trek 86 Constitution
Star Trek 87 Enterprise
Star Trek 88 Across The Universe
Star Trek: Dark Victory
Star Trek: Vulcan's Heart
Star Trek; New Frontier: 07 The Quiet Place
Star Trek; New Frontier: 08 Dark Allies
Star Trek; Tng: 50 Dyson Sphere
Star Trek; Tng: 51 Infection
Star Trek; Tng: 52 Vectors
Star Trek; Tng: 53 Red Sector
Star Trek; Tng: 54 Quarantine
Star Trek; Tng: 55 Double Or Nothing
Star Trek; Tng: 56 The First Virtue
Star Trek; Tng: 57 The Forgotten War
Star Trek; Tng: I, Q
Star Trek; Voyager: 17 Death Of A Neutron Star
Star Trek; Voyager: 18 Battle Lines
Star Trek; Voyager: Equinox
The Badlands 1
The Badlands 2
Star Trek - DS9: 27 A Stitch In Time
Star Trek - DS9: Millennium 1: The Fall Of Terok Nor
Star Trek - DS9: Millennium 2: The War Of The Prophets
Star Trek - DS9: Millennium 3: Inferno
Star Trek 89 Wagon Train To The Stars
Star Trek 90 Belle Terre
Star Trek 91 Rough Trails
Star Trek 92 The Flaming Arrow
Star Trek 93 Thin Air
Star Trek 94 Challenger
Star Trek 95 Swordhunt
Star Trek 96 Honor Blade
Star Trek: Preserver
Star Trek; New Frontier: 09 Requiem
Star Trek; New Frontier: 10 Renaissance
Star Trek; New Frontier: 11 Restoration
Star Trek; Tng: 58 Gemworld Book 1 Of 2
Star Trek; Tng: 59 Gemworld Book 2 Of 2
Star Trek; Tng: The Genesis Wave 1
Star Trek; Tng: The Valiant
Star Trek; Voyager: 19 Cloak And Dagger
Star Trek; Voyager: 20 Ghost Dance
Star Trek; Voyager: 21 Shadow Of Heaven
Dark Passions Book 1
Dark Passions Book 2
Star Trek - DS9: Avatar Book One
Star Trek - DS9: Avatar Book Two
Star Trek - DS9: Demons Of Air And Darkness
Star Trek - DS9: Section 31: Abyss
Star Trek One Small Step
Star Trek Section 31: Cloak
Star Trek The Rise And Fall Of Khan Noonien Singh
Star Trek: Starship Spotter
Star Trek; Challenger Chainmail
Star Trek; New Frontier: 12 Being Human
Star Trek; New Frontier: Cold Wars
Star Trek; Other Realities
Star Trek; Tng: 60 Tooth And Claw
Star Trek; Tng: 61 Diplomatic Implausibility
Star Trek; Tng: 62 Dead Zone
Star Trek; Tng: 63 Forever Dark
Star Trek; Tng: Doors Into Chaos
Star Trek; Tng: Enemy Unseen
Star Trek; Tng: Forgiveness
Star Trek; Tng: Section 31: Rogue
Star Trek; Tng: The Genesis Wave 2
Star Trek; Voyager: Encounters With The Unknown
Star Trek; Voyager: Endgame
Star Trek; Voyager: No Man's Land
Star Trek; Voyager: Section 31: Shadow
What Lay Beyond
Star Trek - DS9: Cathedral
Star Trek - DS9: Lesser Evil
Star Trek - DS9: Millennium
Star Trek - DS9: This Gray Spirit
Star Trek - DS9: Twilight
Star Trek 97 In The Name Of Honor
Star Trek The Rise And Fall Of Khan Noonien Singh
Star Trek: Captain's Peril
Star Trek: The Last Roundup
Star Trek: Voyager The Nanotech War
Star Trek; S.C.E Book 1: Have Tech, Will Travel
Star Trek; S.C.E Book 2: Miracle Workers
Star Trek; Stargazer Gauntlet
Star Trek; Stargazer Progenitor
Star Trek; The Original Series The Janus Gate: Future Imperfect
Star Trek; The Original Series The Janus Gate: Past Prologue
Star Trek; The Original Series The Janus Gate: Present Tense
Star Trek; The Original Series: Killing Blow
Star Trek; The Original Series: River Of Blood
Star Trek; The Original Series: The Edge Of The Sword
Star Trek; Tng: A Hard Rain
Star Trek; Tng: Immortal Coil
Star Trek; Tng: Nemesis
Star Trek; Tng: The Battle Of Betazed
Star Trek; Tng: The Genesis Wave 3
Starfleet Year One
Star Trek - DS9: Rising Son
Star Trek - DS9: The Left Hand Of Destiny 1
Star Trek - DS9: The Left Hand Of Destiny 2
Star Trek: Garth Of Izar
Star Trek: Gemini
Star Trek; S.C.E Book 3: Some Assembly Required
Star Trek; S.C.E Book 4: No Surrender
Star Trek; Tng: Do Comets Dream?
Star Trek; Tng: Genesis Force
Star Trek; Voyager: Homecoming
Star Trek; Voyager: The Farther Shore
The first thing we would need to do is get Star Dates for all those books, and put them into IN-UNIVERSE chronological order.
After that, summaries
After that, toss out ones that there is no way to reconcil with continuality, or that are too far fetched (i.e Enterprise-A cracking planets like the Death Star, Photon Torpedoes blowing up 500 kilometer asteroids, and Warp drive lets you cross the galaxy in seconds)
Then we start digging out the useful information to build this 'alternate Star Trek'. (i.e new aliens, new -within-star-trek-capaiblities- technology, new uses for technology, new ships, etc)
At the very least, could be useful for making cross-over-fan-fics more interesting.
I obtained a list of *all* the Star Trek material ever published. As in all the guy knows about. Considering it was in chronological book order by publication, and it's size, if there is anything missing, I'd admit to it.
Anyway....
Here is the list of material I have in mind for this project.
Be warned, there are over 490 items to this list. Most of them novels.
Star Trek 01
Mission To Horatius
Star Trek 02
Star Trek 03
Spock Must Die!
Star Trek 04
Star Trek 05
Star Trek 06
Star Trek 07
Star Trek 08
Star Trek 09
Star Trek 10
Star Trek: Log 01
Star Trek: Log 02
Passage To Moauv
Star Trek 11
Star Trek: Log 03
Star Trek: Log 04
Star Trek: Log 06
The Crier In Emptiness
A Mirror For Futility/The Time Stealer
Spock, Messiah!
Star Trek: Log 06
Star Trek: Log 07
Star Trek: Log 08
Star Trek: The Enterprise Logs Vol 1
Star Trek: The Enterprise Logs Vol 2
Star Trek: The New Voyages
The Star Trek Reader I
Giant In The Universe
Planet Of Judgment
Star Trek 12
Star Trek: Log 09
Star Trek: The Enterprise Logs Vol 3
Star Trek: The Enterprise Logs Vol 4
The Price Of The Phoenix
The Prisoner Of Vega
The Star Trek Reader Ii
The Star Trek Reader Iii
The Truth Machine
Trillions Of Trilligs
Mudd's Angels
Star Trek: Log 10
Star Trek; The New Voyages 2 - The Camelot Connection
The Star Trek Reader Iv
The Starless World
Vulcan!
Devil World
Star Trek 01 Star Trek – The Motion Picture
The Fate Of The Phoenix
Trek To Madworld
World Without End
Perry's Planet
The Galactic Whirlpool
Death's Angel
Star Trek 02 The Entropy Effect
Star Trek 03 The Klingon Gambit
Star Trek 04 The Covenant Of The Crown
Star Trek 05 The Prometheus Design
Star Trek 06 The Abode Of Life
Star Trek 07; Star Trek Ii: The Wrath Of Khan
Star Trek: Ii Short Stories
Star Trek 08 Black Fire
Star Trek 09 Triangle
Star Trek 10 Web Of The Romulans
Star Trek 11 Yesterday's Son
Star Trek 12 Mutiny On The Enterprise
Star Trek 13 The Wounded Sky
Star Trek 14 The Trellisane Confrontation
Star Trek 15 Corona
Star Trek 16 The Final Reflection
Star Trek 17; Star Trek Iii: The Search For Spock
Star Trek 18 My Enemy, My Ally
Star Trek 19 The Tears Of The Singers
Star Trek 20 The Vulcan Academy Murders
Star Trek: Iii Short Stories
Star Trek 21 Uhura's Song
Star Trek 23 Ishmael
Star Trek 24 Killing Time
Star Trek 25 Dwellers In The Crucible
Star Trek 26 Pawns And Symbols
Star Trek 27 Mindshadow
Star Trek 28 Crisis On Centaurus
Star Trek 29 Dreadnought!
Star Trek 30 Demons
Star Trek 31 Battlestations!
Star Trek Iv: The Voyage Home
Star Trek: Enterprise: The First Adventure
Star Trek 32 Chain Of Attack
Star Trek 33 Deep Domain
Star Trek 34 Dreams Of The Raven
Star Trek 35 The Romulan Way
Star Trek 36 How Much For Just The Planet?
Star Trek 37 Bloodthirst
Star Trek: Strangers From The Sky
Star Trek; Tng: Encounter At Farpoint
Star Trek 38 The Idic Epidemic
Star Trek 39 Time For Yesterday
Star Trek 40 Timetrap
Star Trek 41 The Three-Minute Universe
Star Trek 42 Memory Prime
Star Trek 43 The Final Nexus
Star Trek: Final Frontier
Star Trek: Spock's World
Star Trek; Tng: 01 Ghost Ship
Star Trek; Tng: 02 The Peacekeepers
Star Trek; Tng: 03 The Children Of Hamlin
Star Trek 44 Vulcan's Glory
Star Trek 45 Double, Double
Star Trek 46 The Cry Of The Onlies
Star Trek 47 The Kobayashi Maru
Star Trek The Lost Years
Star Trek V: The Final Frontier
Star Trek; Tng: 04 Survivors
Star Trek; Tng: 05 Strike Zone
Star Trek; Tng: 06 Power Hungry
Star Trek; Tng: 07 Masks
Star Trek; Tng: 08 The Captain's Honor
Star Trek; Tng: 09 A Call To Darkness
Star Trek 48 Rules Of Engagement
Star Trek 49 The Pandora Principle
Star Trek 50 Doctor's Orders
Star Trek 51 Unseen Enemy
Star Trek 52 Home Is The Hunter
Star Trek: Prime Directive
Star Trek; Tng: 10 A Rock And A Hard Place
Star Trek; Tng: 11 Gulliver's Fugitives
Star Trek; Tng: 12 Doomsday World
Star Trek; Tng: 13 The Eyes Of The Beholders
Star Trek; Tng: 14 Exiles
Star Trek; Tng: Metamorphosis
Star Trek 53 Ghost-Walker
Star Trek 54 A Flag Full Of Stars
Star Trek 55 Renegade
Star Trek 56 Legacy
Star Trek 57 The Rift
Star Trek; The Classic Episodes Vol 1
Star Trek; The Classic Episodes Vol 2
Star Trek; The Classic Episodes Vol 3
Star Trek; The Mirror Universe Saga
Star Trek; Tng: 15 Fortune's Light
Star Trek; Tng: 16 Contamination
Star Trek; Tng: 17 Boogeymen
Star Trek; Tng: 18 Q-In-Law
Star Trek; Tng: 19 Perchance To Dream
Star Trek; Tng: Reunion
Star Trek; Tng: Unification
Star Trek; Tng: Vendetta
Star Trek 58 Faces Of Fire
Star Trek 59 The Disinherited
Star Trek 60 Ice Trap
Star Trek 61 Sanctuary
Star Trek 62 Death Count
Star Trek Probe
Star Trek: Best Destiny
Star Trek: Debt Of Honor
Star Trek: Vi: The Undiscovered Country
Star Trek; Tng: 20 Spartacus
Star Trek; Tng: 21 Chains Of Command
Star Trek; Tng: 22 Imbalance
Star Trek; Tng: 23 War Drums
Star Trek; Tng: 24 Nightshade
Star Trek; Tng: Imzadi
Star Trek; Tng: Relics
Star Trek - DS9: 02 The Siege
Star Trek - DS9: 03 Bloodletter
Star Trek - DS9: 04 The Big Game
Star Trek - DS9: Emissary
Star Trek 63 Shell Game
Star Trek 64 The Starship Trap
Star Trek 65 Windows On A Lost World
Star Trek 66 From The Depths
Star Trek 67 The Great Starship Race
Star Trek: Shadows On The Sun
Star Trek; The Next Generation: The Star Lost
Star Trek; Tng: 25 Grounded
Star Trek; Tng: 26 The Romulan Prize
Star Trek; Tng: 27 Guises Of The Mind
Star Trek; Tng: 28 Here There Be Dragons
Star Trek; Tng: Dark Mirror
Star Trek; Tng: Descent
Star Trek; Tng: Line Of Fire
Star Trek; Tng: Survival
Star Trek; Tng: The Devil's Heart
Star Trek; Tng: Worf's First Adventure
Star Trek; Who Killed Captain Kirk?
Star Trek - DS9: 05 Fallen Heroes
Star Trek - DS9: 06 Betrayal
Star Trek - DS9: 07 Warchild
Star Trek - DS9: 08 Antimatter
Star Trek - DS9: Prisoners Of Peace
Star Trek - DS9: Stowaways
Star Trek - DS9: The Pet
Star Trek - DS9: The Search
Star Trek - DS9: The Star Ghost
Star Trek 68 Firestorm
Star Trek 69 The Patrian Transgression
Star Trek 70 Traitor Winds
Star Trek 71 Crossroad
Star Trek 72 The Better Man
Star Trek: Federation
Star Trek: Sarek
Star Trek; Tests Of Courage
Star Trek; Tng: 29 Sins Of Commission
Star Trek; Tng: 30 Debtor's Planet
Star Trek; Tng: 31 Foreign Foes
Star Trek; Tng: 32 Requiem
Star Trek; Tng: All Good Things...
Star Trek; Tng: Atlantis Station
Star Trek; Tng: Capture The Flag
Star Trek; Tng: Contamination
Star Trek; Tng: Masks
Star Trek; Tng: Q-In-Law
Star Trek; Tng: Q-Squared
Star Trek; Tng: Spartacus
Star Trek; Tng: Star Trek; Generations
Star Trek; Tng: War Drums
Star Trek - DS9: 09 Proud Helios
Star Trek - DS9: 10 Valhalla
Star Trek - DS9: 11 Devil In The Sky
Star Trek - DS9: 12 The Laertian Gamble
Star Trek - DS9: 13 Station Ragem
Star Trek - DS9: Arcade
Star Trek - DS9: Field Trip
Star Trek - DS9: The Way Of The Warrior
Star Trek - DS9: Warped
Star Trek 73 Recovery
Star Trek 74 The Fearful Summons
Star Trek 75 First Frontier
Star Trek 76 The Captain's Daughter
Star Trek The Ashes Of Eden
Star Trek; Tng: 33 Balance Of Power
Star Trek; Tng: 34 Blaze Of Glory
Star Trek; Tng: 35 The Romulan Stratagem
Star Trek; Tng: 36 Into The Nebula
Star Trek; Tng: 37 The Last Stand
Star Trek; Tng: Beginnings
Star Trek; Tng: Crossover
Star Trek; Tng: Nova Command
Star Trek; Tng: Secret Of The Lizard People
Star Trek; Tng: Star Trek; Generations
Star Trek; Tng: Starfall
Star Trek; Tng: Starfleet Academy 06 Mystery Of The Missing Crew
Star Trek; Voyager: 01 Caretaker
Star Trek; Voyager: 02 The Escape
Star Trek; Voyager: 03 Ragnarok
Star Trek; Voyager: 04 Violations
Star Trek; Voyager: 05 Incident At Arbuk
Star Trek - DS9: 14 The Long Night
Star Trek - DS9: 15 Objective: Bajor
Star Trek - DS9: 16 Time's Enemy
Star Trek - DS9: 17 Heart Of The Warrior
Star Trek - DS9: 18 Saratoga
Star Trek - DS9: Betrayal
Star Trek - DS9: Bloodletter
Star Trek - DS9: Emissary
Star Trek - DS9: Gypsy World
Star Trek - DS9: Highest Score
Star Trek - DS9: The Big Game
Star Trek - DS9: The Siege
Star Trek - DS9: Trials And Tribble-Ations
Star Trek 77 Twilight's End
Star Trek 78 The Rings Of Tautee
Star Trek 79; First Strike
Star Trek 80 The Joy Machine
Star Trek Aftershock
Star Trek Cadet Kirk
Star Trek Crisis On Vulcan
Star Trek The Return
Star Trek; Tng: 38 Dragon's Honor
Star Trek; Tng: 39 Rogue Saucer
Star Trek; Tng: 40 Possession
Star Trek; Tng: 41 The Soldiers Of Fear
Star Trek; Tng: 42 Infiltrator
Star Trek; Tng: 43 A Fury Scorned
Star Trek; Tng: Crossfire
Star Trek; Tng: Kahless
Star Trek; Tng: Klingon
Star Trek; Tng: Loyalties
Star Trek; Tng: Star Trek; First Contact
Star Trek; Tng: Star Trek; First Contact: Breaking The Barrier
Star Trek; Tng: Star Trek; First Contact: The Borg
Star Trek; Voyager: 06 The Murdered Sun
Star Trek; Voyager: 07 Ghost Of A Chance
Star Trek; Voyager: 08 Cybersong
Star Trek; Voyager: 09 The Final Fury
Star Trek; Voyager: 10 Bless The Beasts
Star Trek; Voyager: Flashback
Star Trek; Voyager: Mosaic
Star Trek - DS9: 19 The Tempest
Star Trek - DS9: 20 Wrath Of The Prophets
Star Trek - DS9: 21 Trial By Error
Star Trek - DS9: Armageddon Sky
Star Trek - DS9: Cardassian Imps
Star Trek - DS9: Space Camp
Star Trek - DS9: Yan 11 Day Of Honor: Honor Bound
Star Trek 81 Mudd In Your Eye
Star Trek 82 Mind Meld
Star Trek 83 Heart Of The Sun
Star Trek Avenger
Star Trek Treaty's Law
Star Trek: Starfleet Academy
Star Trek: Vulcan's Forge
Star Trek; New Frontier: 01 House Of Cards
Star Trek; New Frontier: 02 Into The Void
Star Trek; New Frontier: 03 The Two-Front War
Star Trek; New Frontier: 04 End Game
Star Trek; Tng: : Ancient Blood
Star Trek; Tng: 44 The Death Of Princes
Star Trek; Tng: 45 Intellivore
Star Trek; Tng: 46 To Storm Heaven
Star Trek; Tng: Breakaway
Star Trek; Tng: Ship Of The Line
Star Trek; Tng: The Haunted Starship
Star Trek; Voyager: 11 The Garden
Star Trek; Voyager: 12 Chrysalis
Star Trek; Voyager: 13 The Black Shore
Star Trek; Voyager: 14 Marooned
Star Trek; Voyager: Day Of Honor
Star Trek; Voyager: Her Klingon Soul
Star Trek; Voyager: Lifeline
Star Trek; Voyager: Quarantine
Star Trek; Voyager: The Chance Factor
Star Trek - DS9: 22 Vengeance
Star Trek - DS9: Call To Arms.…
Star Trek - DS9: Far Beyond The Stars
Star Trek - DS9: Sacrifice Of Angels
Star Trek - DS9: The Mist
Star Trek - DS9: Trapped In Time
Star Trek 84 Assignment: Eternity
Star Trek Odyssey
Star Trek Spectre
Star Trek War Dragons
Star Trek Where Sea Meets Sky
Star Trek; New Frontier: 05 Martyr
Star Trek; New Frontier: 06 Fire On High
Star Trek; New Frontier: New Frontier
Star Trek; New Frontier: Once Burned
Star Trek; New Frontier: Prometheans
Star Trek; Tng: : Behind Enemy Lines
Star Trek; Tng: : Dujonian's Hoard
Star Trek; Tng: : Tunnel Through The Stars
Star Trek; Tng: 47 Q-Space
Star Trek; Tng: 48 Q-Zone
Star Trek; Tng: 49 Q-Strike
Star Trek; Tng: Deceptions
Star Trek; Tng: Imzadi Ii: Triangle
Star Trek; Tng: Planet X
Star Trek; Tng: Star Trek; Insurrection
Star Trek; Tng: Star Trek; Insurrection
Star Trek; Tng: The Best And The Brightest
Star Trek; Voyager: 15 Echoesm
Star Trek; Voyager: 16 Seven Of Nine
Star Trek; Voyager: Fire Ship
Star Trek; Voyager: Pathways
Star Trek - DS9: 23 The 34th Rule
Star Trek - DS9: 24 The Conquered
Star Trek - DS9: 25 The Courageous
Star Trek - DS9: 26 The Liberated
Star Trek - DS9: The Lives Of Dax
Star Trek - DS9: What You Leave Behind
Star Trek 85 Republic
Star Trek 86 Constitution
Star Trek 87 Enterprise
Star Trek 88 Across The Universe
Star Trek: Dark Victory
Star Trek: Vulcan's Heart
Star Trek; New Frontier: 07 The Quiet Place
Star Trek; New Frontier: 08 Dark Allies
Star Trek; Tng: 50 Dyson Sphere
Star Trek; Tng: 51 Infection
Star Trek; Tng: 52 Vectors
Star Trek; Tng: 53 Red Sector
Star Trek; Tng: 54 Quarantine
Star Trek; Tng: 55 Double Or Nothing
Star Trek; Tng: 56 The First Virtue
Star Trek; Tng: 57 The Forgotten War
Star Trek; Tng: I, Q
Star Trek; Voyager: 17 Death Of A Neutron Star
Star Trek; Voyager: 18 Battle Lines
Star Trek; Voyager: Equinox
The Badlands 1
The Badlands 2
Star Trek - DS9: 27 A Stitch In Time
Star Trek - DS9: Millennium 1: The Fall Of Terok Nor
Star Trek - DS9: Millennium 2: The War Of The Prophets
Star Trek - DS9: Millennium 3: Inferno
Star Trek 89 Wagon Train To The Stars
Star Trek 90 Belle Terre
Star Trek 91 Rough Trails
Star Trek 92 The Flaming Arrow
Star Trek 93 Thin Air
Star Trek 94 Challenger
Star Trek 95 Swordhunt
Star Trek 96 Honor Blade
Star Trek: Preserver
Star Trek; New Frontier: 09 Requiem
Star Trek; New Frontier: 10 Renaissance
Star Trek; New Frontier: 11 Restoration
Star Trek; Tng: 58 Gemworld Book 1 Of 2
Star Trek; Tng: 59 Gemworld Book 2 Of 2
Star Trek; Tng: The Genesis Wave 1
Star Trek; Tng: The Valiant
Star Trek; Voyager: 19 Cloak And Dagger
Star Trek; Voyager: 20 Ghost Dance
Star Trek; Voyager: 21 Shadow Of Heaven
Dark Passions Book 1
Dark Passions Book 2
Star Trek - DS9: Avatar Book One
Star Trek - DS9: Avatar Book Two
Star Trek - DS9: Demons Of Air And Darkness
Star Trek - DS9: Section 31: Abyss
Star Trek One Small Step
Star Trek Section 31: Cloak
Star Trek The Rise And Fall Of Khan Noonien Singh
Star Trek: Starship Spotter
Star Trek; Challenger Chainmail
Star Trek; New Frontier: 12 Being Human
Star Trek; New Frontier: Cold Wars
Star Trek; Other Realities
Star Trek; Tng: 60 Tooth And Claw
Star Trek; Tng: 61 Diplomatic Implausibility
Star Trek; Tng: 62 Dead Zone
Star Trek; Tng: 63 Forever Dark
Star Trek; Tng: Doors Into Chaos
Star Trek; Tng: Enemy Unseen
Star Trek; Tng: Forgiveness
Star Trek; Tng: Section 31: Rogue
Star Trek; Tng: The Genesis Wave 2
Star Trek; Voyager: Encounters With The Unknown
Star Trek; Voyager: Endgame
Star Trek; Voyager: No Man's Land
Star Trek; Voyager: Section 31: Shadow
What Lay Beyond
Star Trek - DS9: Cathedral
Star Trek - DS9: Lesser Evil
Star Trek - DS9: Millennium
Star Trek - DS9: This Gray Spirit
Star Trek - DS9: Twilight
Star Trek 97 In The Name Of Honor
Star Trek The Rise And Fall Of Khan Noonien Singh
Star Trek: Captain's Peril
Star Trek: The Last Roundup
Star Trek: Voyager The Nanotech War
Star Trek; S.C.E Book 1: Have Tech, Will Travel
Star Trek; S.C.E Book 2: Miracle Workers
Star Trek; Stargazer Gauntlet
Star Trek; Stargazer Progenitor
Star Trek; The Original Series The Janus Gate: Future Imperfect
Star Trek; The Original Series The Janus Gate: Past Prologue
Star Trek; The Original Series The Janus Gate: Present Tense
Star Trek; The Original Series: Killing Blow
Star Trek; The Original Series: River Of Blood
Star Trek; The Original Series: The Edge Of The Sword
Star Trek; Tng: A Hard Rain
Star Trek; Tng: Immortal Coil
Star Trek; Tng: Nemesis
Star Trek; Tng: The Battle Of Betazed
Star Trek; Tng: The Genesis Wave 3
Starfleet Year One
Star Trek - DS9: Rising Son
Star Trek - DS9: The Left Hand Of Destiny 1
Star Trek - DS9: The Left Hand Of Destiny 2
Star Trek: Garth Of Izar
Star Trek: Gemini
Star Trek; S.C.E Book 3: Some Assembly Required
Star Trek; S.C.E Book 4: No Surrender
Star Trek; Tng: Do Comets Dream?
Star Trek; Tng: Genesis Force
Star Trek; Voyager: Homecoming
Star Trek; Voyager: The Farther Shore
The first thing we would need to do is get Star Dates for all those books, and put them into IN-UNIVERSE chronological order.
After that, summaries
After that, toss out ones that there is no way to reconcil with continuality, or that are too far fetched (i.e Enterprise-A cracking planets like the Death Star, Photon Torpedoes blowing up 500 kilometer asteroids, and Warp drive lets you cross the galaxy in seconds)
Then we start digging out the useful information to build this 'alternate Star Trek'. (i.e new aliens, new -within-star-trek-capaiblities- technology, new uses for technology, new ships, etc)
At the very least, could be useful for making cross-over-fan-fics more interesting.
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In fact, I'd suggest you do that first and try to build a coherent alternate ST universe and then apply it to any versus debates.
Well it just so happens I have one availiable... and it just might stand a bit more of a chance than the canon one 
. Vs. debates would be a whole lot more interesting as firepower, while victory still going to the Wars side, is at least in spitting range of the GE.Of course, it's not like Palpy wouldn't just manufacture such 'atrocities' on a whim either, weather or not the Fedies actually engage in them. Propaganda has its place, and I'm sure the GE can spin things better than most.and accounts of Federation "atrocities" would give the Emperor's forces a good way to justify the construction and deployment of more superweapons.
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Solauren who the fuck are you to even talk to me, you're an idiot. I told you so, and all you can do is take a cheesy ass "holier tha thou" route along with a lot of wordy bullshit.
I can see why Wong doesnt want to put up with you either.
I can see why Wong doesnt want to put up with you either.
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Bitter? no I just hate idiots, yourself included. Eat Shit. you don't like it then maybe you should just be quiet.Embracer Of Darkness wrote:Darth Fanboy... You seem so bitter about this that I actually feel sorry for you.
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This has no place in the SWvST forum, for the obvious reason that it introduces non-continuity junk. It's so bad that he admits up-front that he doesn't even know how much of it can even be reconciled into a continuous timeline at all. Never mind the fact that we might as well just start introducing fanfics as evidence if we want to follow this route.
If you just want to discuss ST novels, do it in the PST forum. In the meantime, there's no point for this thread to continue in this forum.
If you just want to discuss ST novels, do it in the PST forum. In the meantime, there's no point for this thread to continue in this forum.
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