Black Fleet Numbers

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-07-23 01:31am

Does anybody know how many ships were in the Black Fleet prior to its capture by the Duskhan League? All I know is that it had the SSD Intimidator.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-07-23 03:57am

around 40 isds and 3 ssds.

pretty sad that the republic was scared.

nightmare · Post by **nightmare** » 2003-07-23 05:08am

The Yevetha captured 44 ships from the Black Sword Command. The composition was one experimental dreadnaught, numerous VSDs and ISDs (mark I) and 3 "Super" class, including the Intimidator. We don't know how large the Black Fleet was originally.

Marc Xavier · Post by **Marc Xavier** » 2003-07-23 02:49pm

What was the status of the Black Sword Command after these ships were taken?

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-07-23 03:32pm

I think the Empire took 'em back.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-07-23 04:28pm

Marc Xavier wrote:What was the status of the Black Sword Command after these ships were taken?

They were in fairly good shape, and only needed to be repaired/retrofitted slightly to make them completely battle-ready.

Just prior to the destruction of the Yevethan forces, the Imperial forces remaining on the Black Fleet seized their ships from the Yevetha, and returned to Imperial space, where they have not been heard from since.

FTeik · Post by **FTeik** » 2003-07-23 04:51pm

According to the EC (thank you KJA) the ships travelled to Byss after their escape from the Yevethans.

Discovering the planet destroyed some defected to the NR, others returned to the empire. The Intimidator was found years later drifting beyond repair at the edge to the Unknown Regions.

According to some sources (believe it or not) the experimental Dreadnought was an ISD with a new antimatter-reactor.

In one of the last battles between IR and NR the forces of the NR concentrated their fire on that ship causing it to explode and take six other ISDs in close proximity with it.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-07-23 04:56pm

Thanks for the numbers guys.

Master of Ossus wrote:Just prior to the destruction of the Yevethan forces, the Imperial forces remaining on the Black Fleet seized their ships from the Yevetha, and returned to Imperial space, where they have not been heard from since.

Not according to the EC. There it says the Black Fleet jumped to Byss, assuming it would still be there when it actuality it was fried years ago by the Galaxy Gun.

Within a month of their escape from the Yevethans, the vast majority of the fleet accepted their fate and defected to the New Republic. Four VSDs hooked up with Daala's warlords in the Deep Core, and two ISDs plus the experimental dreadnaught EX-F chose to join Admiral Pellaeon's shrinking empire in the Outer Rim.

EDIT: Put EGTC (Essential Guide to Characters) instead of EC (Essential Chronology). Fixed that.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-07-23 04:57pm

FTeik wrote:According to some sources (believe it or not) the experimental Dreadnought was an ISD with a new antimatter-reactor.

In one of the last battles between IR and NR the forces of the NR concentrated their fire on that ship causing it to explode and take six other ISDs in close proximity with it.

Source?
Maybe this was an attempt at using hyper-dense antimatter instead of hypermatter? I dunno for what reasons really, possibly the Imperial Remnant had trouble manufacturing hypermatter and decided to try and make an ISD with some new fangled Anti-matter reactors to try and circumvent the problem.

Say a few million tons of AM goes off, like 10 million, thats a boom of around 1,8e27 joules, or 430,210 Teratons, I can see that blowing up a few ISD's in close proximity.

Marc Xavier · Post by **Marc Xavier** » 2003-07-23 06:44pm

The ship was called "Glory of Yevetha" after it was captured.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-07-23 06:58pm

The New Essential Guide to Characters, page 17 wrote:In the latter climactic conflict [Battle of Anx Minor], Ackbar scored a last-minute victory by focusing a hail of concentrated fire on the engines of the Imperial vessel, Glory of Yevetha. The ship exploded, igniting its volatile antimatter reservoir and annhiliating six nearby Star Destroyers. In light of its latest defeat, the Empire was forced to sue for peace.

Three things.

One: Why would the Empire leave it christened "Pride of Yevetha"?

Two: If you ask me it is another example of EU authors not realizing just how high/amazing the tech scale of SW is. They see fusion and think "antimatter is better." Easily fixable though.

Three: I thought it was a modified Katana-class Dreadnought, not an ISD. Where is it called the modified Dreadnought that is the Pride of Yevetha.

FTeik · Post by **FTeik** » 2003-07-24 05:18am

It isn´t easily to fix, since it is from an official source and we have no idea, what hypermatter really is and what its power-output is compared to anti-matter (if they somehow managed to make the AM incredible dense).

In the BFC the ship was simply called a Dreadnought, which makes you wonder, why it is suddenly a modified ISD in the Essential Guide.

However, it can´t be a Katana-Class-Dreadnought, since the BlackSword-Command was captured by the Yevethans eight months after Endor and the two-hundred ships of the Katana-fleet were discovered four years later during the Thrawn-Trilogy.

vakundok · Post by **vakundok** » 2003-07-24 05:29am

Excuse me, but is it Katana- class dreadnought or is it Katana- class heavy cruiser, an automated version (or subclass) of the old Dreadnought- class heavy cruiser?

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-07-24 09:49am

Sorry to bring this back from the near dead. But IIRC all Dreadnaughts where Heavy Cruisers including the 200 Dreadnaughts that made up the Katana Fleet. It could be argued that the Katana Dreadnaughts warrented a new subclass but during the time the Black Sword Fleet was captured, in the months following the Battle of Endor, the Katana Fleet was still lost.

FTeik · Post by **FTeik** » 2003-07-24 09:59am

Another question to wonder about:

In the order of battle for the command Black Sword it was said, that no ship was smaller than a Victory-Stardestroyer.

So, didn´t the EX-F belong to the Black Fleet or is it a totally new kind of Dreadnought?

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-07-24 10:08am

The EX-F wouldn't have been part of the fleet, it was a testbed. The Yeveatha(sp) ued it because they needed the ships but it was never an official part of the fleet.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-07-24 11:09am

I don't see where they say it was the EX-F or where they say it was an ISD.

FTeik · Post by **FTeik** » 2003-07-24 05:31pm

Since it is the only vessel we ever heard about to have a "reservoir of antimatter" and it belonged to the command BlackSword (it was still named Glory of Yevetha), it is safe to assume it was the experimental ship.

When i looked at the UnofficialEnceclopedy for "Glory of Yevetha" it was said, that the ship was an SSD, but i can´t remember that from the BFC-Trilogy.

That would explain the six ISDs in close proximity (serving as escorts) and the need for Ackbar to concentrate a hail of fire on it (like with the Executor at Endor), but it changes nothing, that the ship was still a flying bomb.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-07-24 05:45pm

Or it simply could've been somesort of armored supply ship (like the Taskforce Cruiser) hauling huge quantities of antimatter while being escorted by the SDs. Such a vessel could've been serving at the Yevethan shipyards but not neccessarily warrenting listing as part of the Black Sword Command, esp. when the vessel might not be a combat vessel. And the BSC's revolt simply snatched her up with the other Imperial ships.

I don't see the necessity for it to be the EX-F and/or an ISD.

EDIT: The ship was a Dreadnought, and and an "experimental weapons test bed" according to Essential Chronology. EG also says that the vessel was known as the "EX-F" when it defected to Pelleaon. The "Glory of Yevetha" name is likely a continuity error. The only other ships that defected were "two of the most advanced Star Destroyers." Likely ISDs, and the advanced part doesn't make it likely it was carrying a primitive power source.

I say it was a Imperial military tanker hauling loads of antimatter escorted by ISDs and the "Glory of Yevetha" name is a continuity error.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2003-07-24 06:13pm

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:Thanks for the numbers guys.

Master of Ossus wrote:Just prior to the destruction of the Yevethan forces, the Imperial forces remaining on the Black Fleet seized their ships from the Yevetha, and returned to Imperial space, where they have not been heard from since.
Not according to the EC. There it says the Black Fleet jumped to Byss, assuming it would still be there when it actuality it was fried years ago by the Galaxy Gun.

Within a month of their escape from the Yevethans, the vast majority of the fleet accepted their fate and defected to the New Republic. Four VSDs hooked up with Daala's warlords in the Deep Core, and two ISDs plus the experimental dreadnaught EX-F chose to join Admiral Pellaeon's shrinking empire in the Outer Rim.

EDIT: Put EGTC (Essential Guide to Characters) instead of EC (Essential Chronology). Fixed that.

I thought Byss got jacked by the Emperor's force storm?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-07-24 06:17pm

What?

No, it didn't.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-07-24 06:21pm

TK Dipshit Hatfucker wrote:I thought Byss got jacked by the Emperor's force storm?

No Hatfucker, Coruscant got a small taste, and so did Da Soocha V's orbiting fleets, but Byss was creamed by a misfired Galaxy Gun missile.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-07-24 06:23pm

CaptainChewbacca wrote:I thought Byss got jacked by the Emperor's force storm?

No, Palpatine's Eclipse-class Star Destroyer was consumed by his Force Storms.

Byss was destroyed when the Incredible Hacking R2 made the Eclipse II (which is an SSD, by the way) ram the Galaxy Gun, causing it to mis-fire into Byss and destroying the planet.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-07-24 06:29pm

The Eclipse II is a strange ship. Unlike the Eclipse, it is not irregular and knobby. The Eclipse II lacks visible grav-well projectors, has the standard KDY tower, has a different bow spine, and all of its engines in one bank. The Eclipse is supposed to be studded with grav-wells, and has multiple banks, IIRC.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-07-24 07:56pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:The Eclipse II is a strange ship. Unlike the Eclipse, it is not irregular and knobby.

The original Eclipse looks shabby because its construction was screwed up by the fall of the Empire post Yavin. The Eclipse II was built under better conditions.